RE: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-21 Thread Richard Ishida
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dejan Kozina Sent: 20 February 2005 22:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages More generally, inputing characters not native to my keyboard/OS is to me the most annoying part of

RE: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-21 Thread Richard Ishida
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dejan Kozina Sent: 21 February 2005 04:49 One thing I've just thought of. The final hurdle in letting the world see vietnamese text is hoping that the visitor's browser has a font capable of displaying the text. There is

RE: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-21 Thread Richard Ishida
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gene Falck Sent: 20 February 2005 04:26 OK, I understand about the BOM but this still leaves me wondering how to save properly. I usually code using Notepad which offers, from the Save As... menu choice, the Encoding

Re: [WSG] setAttribute not working on Firefox

2005-02-21 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day is there anything wonky with .setAttribute, sometimes not working in Firefox? According to the www.QuirksMode.org compatibility tables, attribute manipulation is a ... mess across browsers. It says however that Mozilla 1.75 supports SetAttribute0. Firefox 1.0 uses the Mozilla 1.75 engine

Re: [WSG] setAttribute not working on Firefox

2005-02-21 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:29:02 +1000, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: windowdiv.setAttribute(className,wclass); the classname is not being set windowdiv.className=wclass; works for me. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-21 Thread Dejan Kozina
Richard Ishida wrote: In any case you should always finish a font-family declaration with 'serif' or 'sans-serif' in this situation. Then if none of the fonts you indicated are on the user's system, a font that they do have will be used. Good point. Lesson learned: I really shouldn't write heady

[WSG] standards compliant tutorial

2005-02-21 Thread Alan Trick
I remember that when I was first writing web pages and going over the basic html tutorials a few months ago they taught me nothing about standards, doctypes, separation of style from content, and all that good stuff that makes my life so much easier now adays. My brother is tring to enter the

Re: [WSG] Re: firefox bug?

2005-02-21 Thread Alan Trick
Interesting, I thought I had replied to this. But no, it is no longer an issue. I just changed my margins on 'div#header p' into padding and now it is all good. Thanks for the help. Rosemary Norwood wrote: Is this still an issue? Looking in my FF 1.0 it's nicely up there against the top (I

Re: [WSG] standards compliant tutorial

2005-02-21 Thread Lennart Fylling
Alan Trick wrote: I remember that when I was first writing web pages and going over the basic html tutorials a few months ago they taught me nothing about standards, doctypes, separation of style from content, and all that good stuff that makes my life so much easier now adays. My brother is

[WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

2005-02-21 Thread Joey
Title: Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods? Hi Everyone, I wondered if anyone has a solution on how to centre a DIV vertically. I found this information, http://www.quirksmode.org/css/centering.html but its uses a table. And I dont want to use a table as I am conforming to WAI

Re: [WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

2005-02-21 Thread Darren Wood
Joey wrote: Hi Everyone, I wondered if anyone has a solution on how to centre a DIV vertically. I found this information, _http://www.quirksmode.org/css/centering.html_ but its uses a table. And I dont want to use a table as I am conforming to WAI AAA. Anyone know any methods to centre

Re: [WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

2005-02-21 Thread David Laakso
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:17:08 -, Joey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wondered if anyone has a solution on how to centre a DIV vertically. I found this information, http://www.quirksmode.org/css/centering.html ... Josef http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/30/vertical-centering-with-css

Re: [WSG] standards compliant tutorial

2005-02-21 Thread standards
Alan, Here's another good resource: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/ Respectfully submitted, Mario S. Cisneros, President WebNet Design Studios, LLC I remember that when I was first writing web pages and going over the basic html tutorials a few months ago

[WSG] FW: Site review

2005-02-21 Thread James Gollan
Would anyone have the time to look over the following site? Any feedback much appreciated. www.organicexpo.com.au Thanks James

Re: [WSG] FW: Site review

2005-02-21 Thread David Laakso
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:56:38 +1100, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone have the time to look over the following site? Any feedback much appreciated. www.organicexpo.com.au http://www.organicexpo.com.au/ Thanks James Impressive. Looks good in XP2_IE6.0/FF1.0/Opera7.54u1 at 800,

Re: [WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

2005-02-21 Thread designer
Hi Joey, I've wanted to do this for ages, and never found a solution which is rigid AND which works in IE. In addition, the published methods usually need you to know the dimensions of the div you are centering, and I want a method which centers both horizontally AND vertically, nomatter what

RE: [WSG] FW: Site review

2005-02-21 Thread Steve Fisher
james your design seems quite appropriate for an organic expo - clean and simple, although the orange background seems a bit loud.also, the "site design" link in the footer, will the organicexpo allow you a link to your web site instead of bringing up an e-mail message? other than that,

Re: [WSG] Check website

2005-02-21 Thread Gizax Studios
thanks :))) Daniel - Original Message - From: David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Check website On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:18:44 +0100, Gizax Studios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Check this website for

Re: [WSG] FW: Site review

2005-02-21 Thread David Laakso
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:56:38 +1100, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone have the time to look over the following site? Any feedback much appreciated. www.organicexpo.com.au http://www.organicexpo.com.au/ Thanks James Impressive. Nice use of the full window, easy to navigate, and

RE: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-21 Thread Lea de Groot
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:43:40 -, Richard Ishida wrote: In any case you should always finish a font-family declaration with 'serif' or 'sans-serif' in this situation. Then if none of the fonts you indicated are on the user's system, a font that they do have will be used. Caveat alert!

[WSG] Cool css box idea

2005-02-21 Thread Zachary Hopkins
Hello again! I've recently been fascinated by round boxes on pages. I will have to wait for CSS3 to be officially released and then adopted before I can use the border-radius feature. Until then, I am experimenting with my own rounded boxes, with corners generated in PHP. If you have Firefox

RE: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-21 Thread John Horner
Then you might like these pickers - designed for non-native user input. (Note that the Latin diacritics picker probably includes most of what's needed for Vietnamese.) http://people.w3.org/rishida/scripts/pickers/ Thanks for that, very useful. I was skeptical, Vietnamese having such a wide

Re: [WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

2005-02-21 Thread John Horner
Slightly off-[this]topic, but does anyone have an explanation for how vertical alignment got missed in the creation of CSS? This topic comes up again and again. I mean, forgive me for being crass, but did they just forget? Or was it not considered necessary? I imagined that they would have a

Re: [WSG] code formatting

2005-02-21 Thread Hope Stewart
Hi Lothar, Thanks for the reference to Eric Meyer's Uncollapsing Margins article. It was very informative and I have changed some of my CSS as a result. It doesn't explain, however, why moving a /div tag from a line on its own to the end of the code of the previous line effected the page

Re: [WSG] Cool css box idea

2005-02-21 Thread Gunlaug Srtun
Zachary Hopkins wrote: I've recently been fascinated by round boxes on pages. I will have to wait for CSS3 to be officially released and then adopted before I can use the border-radius feature. Or you can cheat a little while waiting for CSS3: http://www.gunlaug.no/homesite/main_6_xv.html ...

Re: [WSG] Cool css box idea

2005-02-21 Thread Zachary Hopkins
Wow! That;s a lotta divs! For the possible purposes of my site, I shouldn't have to worry too much about corners disappearing due to images being turned off. --Zachary Gunlaug Srtun wrote: Zachary Hopkins wrote: I've recently been fascinated by round boxes on pages. I will have to wait for

Re: [WSG] FW: Site review

2005-02-21 Thread John D Wells
James- Very nice site indeed. . . a couple thoughts: The main navigation (visitors | exhibitors | about...) bar hangs beyond the right edge of the content's white background (Mac FF 1.1, Opera 7.51). A lot more page elements hang off in Mac IE 5.2, if you care (many don't, but I still do).

Re: [WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

2005-02-21 Thread Isac Backlund
Joey skrev: Hi Everyone, I wondered if anyone has a solution on how to centre a DIV vertically. I found this information, _http://www.quirksmode.org/css/centering.html_ but its uses a table. And I dont want to use a table as I am conforming to WAI AAA. Anyone know any methods to centre

[WSG] WSG thoghts on XUL

2005-02-21 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Hi, I have previously encountered XUL but only just started to look into it. I have found it so far (only worked with it for one day) to be really interesting. I was wondering what other wsg members thought of it and maybe if they could give me some background or forecast regarding the tech,

[WSG] Can Mac people please have a look at this?

2005-02-21 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi guys, I've had someone tell me that this page is doing odd things on a Mac. Apparently the navbar is falling out of the content pane. Can someone please have a look and a) verify this, and b) tell me how to fix it? Site: http://www.dare2.com.au/productsservices.php CSS:

Re: [WSG] WSG thoghts on XUL

2005-02-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Jixor - Stephen I wrote: I have previously encountered XUL but only just started to look into it. I have found it so far (only worked with it for one day) to be really interesting. I was wondering what other wsg members thought of it and maybe if they could give me some background or forecast

RE: [WSG] FW: Site review

2005-02-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi James, As the page http://www.organicexpo.com.au/exhibitors/index.php validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict, this may not mean anything but I have had errors or warnings from validators about white space in html comments in the past. !--comment-- wasn't acceptable as there needed to be a space either

Re: [WSG] Can Mac people please have a look at this?

2005-02-21 Thread John D Wells
This is happening because your navigation list is floated left, which consequently collapses it's dimensions as far as it's container #content div is concerned. The white of your #content thus is sized to what's left, but since there is only the select box, its white background ends just below

Re: [WSG] WSG thoghts on XUL

2005-02-21 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Jixor - Stephen I wrote: I have previously encountered XUL but only just started to look into it. I have found it so far (only worked with it for one day) to be really interesting. I was wondering what other wsg members thought of it and maybe if they could give me some

[WSG] Table content displayed as a list

2005-02-21 Thread RMW Web Publishing
I have some tabular content (in the HTML as a table) but what it to display as a list. This works fine in Firefox by making each TD display as a 'block', but does nothing in IE. Any ideas? I do not want to do any static positioning as the table content contains dynamic data. Would it be

[WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Just out of interest what standards (in the sense of a generalised approach) are you all applying to site structuring? There is a well known article (that I cannot remember the URL for) that discusses the fairly accepted standards for a site like; Home, Contact Us, About Us, News, etc. So I

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Nick Lo wrote: Just out of interest what standards (in the sense of a generalised approach) are you all applying to site structuring? There is a well known article (that I cannot remember the URL for) that discusses the fairly accepted standards for a site like; Home, Contact Us, About Us,

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Ha ha, ok, welcome to the battle of the dictionaries. Yes I know it's not a formal standard as defined by any authority but it is a standard as established by it's common and accepted use. Anyway my question was what are people's thoughts about this. For example; I've heard developers complain

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Nick Lo wrote: Just out of interest what standards (in the sense of a generalised approach) are you all applying to site structuring? Site structure... as in URL design? Or internal file structures? Or common interface elements? .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread John D Wells
I think there's a need to strike some balance between following a convention far enough so that even a first-time visitor finds the navigation to be familiar, and considering what the audience is and using words and phrases that are most appropriate. Or perhaps this makes better sense: follow

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Well good question actually. I was initially just thinking of naming conventions (Title: About Us, file: about_us.html, etc) but that could well be extended. Common interface elements gets pretty in depth and likely well off on a tangent though. On the list we all spend a lot of time on what

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Rosemary Norwood
Nick, I agree with John Wells that it has to do with your target audience. I'm in e-Learning where many users are not particuarly web-savvy so I stick with the familiar conventions over trying to be out on the bleeding edge of innovation. There are times when my design-self screams at the tedium,

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 2/21/05 7:53 PM Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: To kick off with an example would anyone say to a client We should probably call this Contact Us as everyone expects and homes in on that wording when they need make contact I think that becomes absurd really quick, and ultimately

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Rosemary Norwood
Nick, Ok, to answer your actual question not the one I thought you asked ... If my clients have a standard I go with that. Otherwise I try to be as descriptive as possible without getting overly long. Often the client wants to do their own content maintenance after I'm done so I have to try and

Re: [WSG] WSG thoghts on XUL

2005-02-21 Thread Dean Jackson
On 22 Feb 2005, at 11:34, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Jixor - Stephen I wrote: I have previously encountered XUL but only just started to look into it. I have found it so far (only worked with it for one day) to be really interesting. I was wondering what other wsg members thought of it and maybe

Re: [WSG] WSG thoghts on XUL

2005-02-21 Thread John Allsopp
Dean, I don't think it's beyond the scope of the W3C. We're constantly looking at technologies like XUL. Do people see the need for standardisation in this area? Sure. I think the real benefit of standardisation and standards bodies is not necessarily the standards they develop (in a sense, it's

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Rosemary, Ok, to answer your actual question not the one I thought you asked ... Actually I wasn't really asking a question as such, more opening up the discussion of what people thought, how they work, etc. So your first response was as correct as the second one. You basically said you do

Re: [WSG] Standards and site structuring

2005-02-21 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Rick, To kick off with an example would anyone say to a client We should probably call this Contact Us as everyone expects and homes in on that wording when they need make contact I think that becomes absurd really quick, and ultimately leads to software creating websites with no human