[WSG] Problem with floating heights

Ive made a little demo site, that shows my problem clearly http://www.tres.dk/test I want the container div to follow the heights of the floating elements, #left and #right In Internet Explorer it does, but not in Firefox, Opera, Safair or any other browser. The height is 100% as default right ? s

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I am interested in people's thoughts about using "quirks mode" (ie adding before the doctype) vs "standards mode". Think we had a similar discussion a few months back... It is recommended to use the "xml-prolog" with xhtml1.0, and it _is only_ IE6 that gets thrown into qu

Re: [WSG] newspaper format

Bob, Looks good on Mac (OSX 10.3.8 15 inch G4 PowerBook Firefox / Safari) and PC (XP Firefox / IE). 3 col xhtml is tricky, I know! In case you are interested in an actual 3 column newspaper website in xhtml check out the San Francisco Examiner at http://www.sfexaminer.com/ . Good Luck, Brian

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until the main content. Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Au

[WSG] Housekeeping [ADMIN]

Hi, Getting a few complaints lately about useless traffic and untrimmed posts. If your answer to a post is "Looks fine on mine" or "Thanks for the help" then please post it directly to the sender rather than the list. 1600+ other people really don't need to see it. I can't tell you how on ever

[WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

Hi all, I am interested in people's thoughts about using "quirks mode" (ie adding before the doctype) vs "standards mode". What do most people use? Which option requires *less* css hacks, and is *more* standards compliant across the widest range of modern browsers? Appreciate any feedback. T

Re: [WSG] Templates with Content at Top

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[WSG] Templates with Content at Top

Hi all  :o)   Been messing around with templates. Standard column stuff, but with content at top in the HTML. I've checked it out on PC in IE5.0, IE6.0, Opera7.0 and FireFox1.0 and it works a charm (pixel perfect!  :o). Can you please test on Mac in FireFox and Safari and let me know how it g

Re: [WSG] Client wants flashing text

On 4/14/05 2:48 PM "Jeff Oien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis, > what do you do or tell them? I've seen some fairly tasteful things done with Flash to provide visual interest. Maybe something as simple as horizontal scroll or simple animat

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:03:50 +1200, Ben Wrighton wrote: > What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the > [skip nav], thinks "bugger this" and leaves before tabbing? Especially if > the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement. And the obvious solut

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

I accept the point, Russ. However, on a practical level, the concern that Ben expressed regarding accessibility compared to the importance of the content on the page is a decision the users need to make all the time and one that doesn't usually cost a lot: "Interesting content... I guess I'll pus

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

russ - maxdesign wrote: I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who become frustrated and leave sites very quickly. Even before one or two tabs though? -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used p

Re: [WSG] Looking for some nicely designed web apps...

They mentioned basecamphq as something nice - Web apps like that ... I know about stylegala and css vault , etc, etc... More stuff like basecamphq is what Im after... Thanks Would help to know what type of web app you mean. http://www.basecamphq.com/ is nice; http://www.blogger.com/ can be classe

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Richard, these are all good questions. The best thing to do as actually observe real people (with disabilities) interacting with sites. I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who become frustrated and leave sites very quickly. They are more likely to struggle on if the

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Are users really *that* impatient? Does the physically disabled site user not even bother to see if the content on the page is worth-while? As a developer who believes in validation, would you not bother looking at a page if you you didn't see a little xhtml link at the bottom? Should we bother to

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Ben Wrighton wrote: What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the [skip nav], thinks "bugger this" and leaves before tabbing? Especially if the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement. That would probably depend on why they came to the site in the f

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

One small thing that bothers me with the tab to make skip nav visible approach. What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the [skip nav], thinks "bugger this" and leaves before tabbing? Especially if the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement. I'

RE: [WSG] Looking for some nicely designed web apps...

If you are looking for inspirational eye-candy that are also good example of coding: http://www.webstandardsawards.com/ http://www.stylegala.com ¤ devendra ¤ David wrote: > Been asked to do the front end visual design of a web app a local > company is doing. Just looking for some great desig

Re: [WSG] Looking for some nicely designed web apps...

David wrote: Been asked to do the front end visual design of a web app a local company is doing. Just looking for some great designs to get ideas from. Any links appreciated. Would help to know what type of web app you mean. http://www.basecamphq.com/ is nice; http://www.blogger.com/ can be clas

[WSG] Looking for some nicely designed web apps...

Been asked to do the front end visual design of a web app a local company is doing. Just looking for some great designs to get ideas from. Any links appreciated. Thanks, David ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http:/

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I use the tab key in both sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where the navigation should appear that each link appears. I'm guessing it may be this: "You nee

Re: [WSG] newspaper format

Paul Novitski wrote: You should avoid presentational class names. May be overkill, but possibly opt for something like class="firstsection" -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, r

Re: [WSG] Client wants flashing text

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:48:28 +0100, Jeff Oien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis, what do you do or tell them? That he's not a professional designer. He has hired one that makes right decisions for him. Blinking text is a step in that direction: http://cs

Re: [WSG] Client wants flashing text

Jeff Oien wrote: When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis, what do you do or tell them? a) it's not the 1991 anymore b) it can cause seizures in users with photosensitive epilepsy c) there are far better ways to add emphasis (most involving good design, creating visual hierarchies, etc)

[WSG] Client wants flashing text

When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis, what do you do or tell them? Jeff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting h

Re: [WSG] implementing index and end-notes on the web

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:46:10 -0700, Paul Novitski wrote: > I'm converting a book to a website and am mulling over various ways > to implement the text, index, and end-notes in web-standards, > accessible XHTML and CSS, potentially with the aid of scripting. I > welcome your feedback and links t

Re: [WSG] Alistapart vs Digital-Web

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:21 +0200, Piero Fissore wrote: > Alistapart is a leader in wd on-line magazine. But what do you think about > www.digital-web.com ? It's growing everyday, > maybe the best navigation-system on the web, a nice approach to web design, > simple

Re: [WSG] implementing index and end-notes on the web

On 14 Apr 2005 at 11:46, Paul Novitski wrote: > I'm converting a book to a website and am mulling over various ways to > implement the text, index, and end-notes in web-standards, accessible XHTML > and CSS, potentially with the aid of scripting. Hi Paul, before doing all these later things I

Re: [WSG] Accessible dropdown menus

Roger Johansson wrote: > * Semantic markup (i.e. nested unordered lists) > * Graceful degradation when support for CSS and/or JavaScript is > missing > * Keyboard navigable, preferrably with optionally expandable menus. > * Top level menu items should be real links > * Menus drop down on hover (obv

Re: [WSG] Accessible dropdown menus

Maybe this is what you're looking for http://www.udm4.com/ (but I guess you're already aware their existence) Kim Roger Johansson wrote: On 14 apr 2005, at 09.07, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: I am not shure is my menu realisation fit to your requierments, but you could take a look: http://siter.com.

[WSG] implementing index and end-notes on the web

I'm converting a book to a website and am mulling over various ways to implement the text, index, and end-notes in web-standards, accessible XHTML and CSS, potentially with the aid of scripting. I welcome your feedback and links to existing examples on the net. Index format ==

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

On 13 Apr 2005 at 15:26, tee wrote: > I do not code with (#x...) entities for unicode Chinese. I did make sure > every character is unicode-able. Everything display properly in other > browsers except IE 5 Mac. I have no way to find out as all characters are > in "?" in the source code. Hi tee,

RE: [WSG] Need some CSS help

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lori Leach Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:10 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Need some CSS help Hello WSG, http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/pa/guiR3.jpg : http://www.zenfu

Re: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

was wondering if there are any percentage or em equivalents or formulas to convert from: FONT-SIZE: 11px, 22px, 10px, 14px and 16px. To go from pixels to em's, simply divide by 16. Is this a cross-browser, cross-platform formula? Is there a chart of the standard settings for browsers, and possibl

Re: [WSG] Accessible dropdown menus

On 14 apr 2005, at 09.07, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: I am not shure is my menu realisation fit to your requierments, but you could take a look: http://siter.com.au/dmitry/dyn-3-menu/index.html On 14 apr 2005, at 09.58, Jeremy Dowe wrote: There is a new article specially on the advantages and disadva

RE: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

Hi Mike, Only partially at the moment because I have no time :( But, if you don't mind the background image problem, my actual Website is a good exemple : http://www.echo3d.com (and if you go under portfolio, click a project, and look at the content image. It use the same technique so you'll be abl

Re: [WSG] newspaper format

Thanks Paul, - Original Message - From: "Paul Novitski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "webstandards group" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] newspaper format [snip] > Bob, > > Your two-column 'newspaper' format works for me cosmetically but not as > markup. I would

[WSG] Need some CSS help

Hello WSG, I have some problems with a design I have been working with (working on it for over a month now), and I have looked at it so long, I am just lost as to where to go next to solve my problems with it. The mockup of the design is here: http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/pa/gui

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:50pm, Lea de Groot wrote: >I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface >whereby the 'skip' link became visible on the first tab, >but was hidden if that didnt happen. I think Mike Pepper >does it at http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/ That's the method

Re: [WSG] Easy forms, uneasy Gecko

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:35:31 +0100, Philippe Wittenbergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables: label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;} and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari, but totally fails in Gecko... Does anyone know how to get it work

RE: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

Hi Hugues, Do you have an online version demonstrating this technique? Mike 2k:)2 Mike Foskett Web Standards, Accessibility & Testing Consultant Multimedia Publishing and Production British Educational C

Re: [WSG] JavaScript and escaped quotes - THREAD CLOSED - EXPLANATION

My apologies for not explaining the thread closure earlier. I closed the thread due to the aggressive nature of the last post, not due to the topic of javascript. My concern was that the post could have lead to a possible flame war and this is definitely something we do not want to see on this lis

Re: [WSG] Easy forms, uneasy Gecko

Kornel, Am Donnerstag, 14. April 2005 um 13:29:47 haben Sie geschrieben: KL> There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables: KL> label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;} KL> I prefer doing forms that way, because I'm styling code KL> that I don't have full control of and I don't like

RE: [WSG] Alistapart vs Digital-Web

ALA gets my vote every time,  although new article submissions are suspended at the moment. Jeffrey Zeldman rules!   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piero FissoreSent: 14 April 2005 13:39To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Alistapart vs Digital-Web

RE: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

Hello Neerav, You can even use "em" unit for your element dimensions too. So all your layout can zoom in/out too. The easy way I know is to define what 1em is by telling first in pixels : html { font-size: 10px !important; /* understood and respected by browsers except for IE that will tak

[WSG] Alistapart vs Digital-Web

Alistapart is a leader in wd on-line magazine. But what do you think about www.digital-web.com? It's growing everyday, maybe the best navigation-system on the web, a nice approach to web design, simple and complete. So: what do you think about? :) P.S. Logically, I still love ala.

Re: [WSG] Easy forms, uneasy Gecko

On 14 Apr 2005, at 8:29 pm, Kornel Lesinski wrote: There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables: label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;} and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari, but totally fails in Gecko... Does anyone know how to get it working in Gecko? You can try display

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On 14 Apr 2005, at 7:22 pm, Susanne Jaeger wrote: I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never been able to get Opera cooperating. a:focus works in other browser but Opera seems not to use these styles when keyboard activated via "a" or "q". Does anyone know more about t

Re: [WSG] newspaper format

At 04:44 AM 4/14/2005, designer wrote: I have been trying to present the information relating to a novel in a more interesting style than 'just text' or indeed three columns, and have experimented with a sort of newspaper style. The newspaper is a fictitious one which is mentioned often in the nove

[WSG] newspaper format

Hi Guys and gals, I have been trying to present the information relating to a novel in a more interesting style than 'just text' or indeed three columns, and have experimented with a sort of newspaper style. The newspaper is a fictitious one which is mentioned often in the novel, and my effort can

[WSG] Easy forms, uneasy Gecko

There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables: label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;} and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari, but totally fails in Gecko... Does anyone know how to get it working in Gecko? I prefer doing forms that way, because I'm styling code that I don't h

Re: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

Alex and kemie I tip my hat to you, your advice worked perfectly :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://boo

Re: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

This table by reed design might be helpful: http://www.reeddesign.co.uk/test/points-pixels.html kemie ...:| kemie |:... .:| www.monolinea.com |:.

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Lea de Groot wrote, On 14.04.2005 04:50: > I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface whereby the > 'skip' link became visible on the first tab, but was hidden if that > didnt happen. I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never been able to get Opera

Re: [WSG] JavaScript and escaped quotes - THREAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] JavaScript and escaped quotes

On 4/14/05 2:51 AM "Juergen Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: >> var msg="Don't Look Now"; >> >> Don't Look Now > > This works. But what to do if the message also needs " inside? Can we keep the javascript cr*p off this list? Thanks! Rick Faaberg ***

Re: [WSG] JavaScript and escaped quotes

On 14 Apr 2005 at 15:35, Bruce Morrison wrote: > var msg="Don't Look Now"; > > Don't Look Now This works. But what to do if the message also needs " inside? Make it generic: var msg="Don" + String.fromCharCode(39) + " use " + String.fromCharCode(34) + "too" + String.fromCharCode(34) + " much

RE: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

Neerav wrote: > was wondering if there are any percentage or em > equivalents or formulas to convert from: > FONT-SIZE: 11px, 22px, 10px, 14px and 16px. To go from pixels to em's, simply divide by 16. HTH aj ** The discussion list for http://

Re: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

Neerav wrote: Im doing a bit of pro bono work at the moment and not having ever used fixed font sizes, was wondering if there are any percentage or em equivalents or formulas to convert from: FONT-SIZE: 11px; etc to more accessible font size units The Kubrick template at http://binarybonsai.com/k

[WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize -> resizable font size

Hi all Im doing a bit of pro bono work at the moment and not having ever used fixed font sizes, was wondering if there are any percentage or em equivalents or formulas to convert from: FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-SIZE: 22px; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-SIZE: 16px; etc to more accessible fon

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I use the tab key in both sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where the navigation should appear that each link appears. > >>For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key rev

RE: [WSG] Accessible dropdown menus

Hi, I used on recently from Alist-Apart (www.alistapart.com) There is a new article specially on the advantages and disadvantages of drop downs. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid/ - all code inclusive. Jeremy Dowe Web Designer / Librarian 6/43 Devoy St, Ash

Re: [WSG] Accessible dropdown menus

Hi, I am not shure is my menu realisation fit to your requierments, but you could take a look: http://siter.com.au/dmitry/dyn-3-menu/index.html On 4/14/05, Roger Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a client that insists on having a dropdown menu. I have tried > talking them