Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

I'm going to chime in with "why do you want to do this?" too, I'm afraid. Users don't expect a text link to submit a form, so doing this makes your form less usable, more confusing, IMHO. "Have You Validated Your Code?"

RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

> -Original Message- > From: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:35 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links > > > -Original Message- > > From: Prabhath Sirisena [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

> -Original Message- > From: Prabhath Sirisena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:13 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links > > Styling form elements is a frustrating and, often, futile effort. > > I think sticking to

Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

Styling form elements is a frustrating and, often, futile effort. Roger Johansson has a nice article with explanations [1] I think sticking to the submit buttons is the best way to go. Prabhath http://nidahas.com [1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200410/styling_even_more_form_controls/

[WSG] Submit a form with text links

Here's one I have been working on for a while: I have got a couple of text-links that I want to use to submit a form. The deal: it has to be accessible (has to work with JavaScript disabled). The closest I have come to a solution is to style input buttons with css so they look similar to text l

[WSG] positioning problem in CSS nav roll-over

Hello, I'm trying to make CSS-based roll-over images for navigation, but I get a 1px difference between Firefox and IE. Because of the nature of the graphic - a horizontal line - it is quite noticeable. example here: http://quagma.net/testing/lakeside/contact.html (at the moment the #panels

Re: [WSG] Two questions: SEO document structure and font resizing

On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:58:49 -0400, Conversant Studios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey there guys, I'll get straight to it - here's the site I'm referring to - http://www.travelinsurancecompared.com.au/ ... 2. Font resizing The navigation on the site is pretty locked in and I had to use absolut

Re: [WSG] inline-block support?

Not really - remember that 'inline-block' remains an *inline* element, Sure, sorry for not mentioning it. inline-block is not supported at all by IE 5.0 Win And Gecko AFAIK. BTW CSS3 has quite interesting display: ... capabilities. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janb

Re: [WSG] inline-block support?

On 1 Jun 2005, at 10:46 am, Jan Brasna wrote: what specific, real-world problem could be solved by the use of display:inline-block? Anything where display: block + float: left is used at once (eg. navigation, definition list layouts etc Not really - remember that 'inline-block' remains an

Re: [WSG] Two questions: SEO document structure and font resizing

As long as you keep everything lean and semantic, the content order won't have a significant affect on Google indexing. However, the closer the main page header is to the body tag, the more important it is perceived by search engines, and more likely that the page will come up in searches. Since yo

Re: [WSG] information architecture

There is a relationship between the two in that a good IA will think beyond the page to the overall structure of the information, including the semantics of the content and relationships between content items. Good IAs care deeply about web standards and love the flexibility that designing with

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > For Safari (using 1.3), with images disabled, I get a grey outline > where the image should be, and **sometimes** the alt text displayed. > Like: if it fixes inside the bounding box for the image. If the text > is too long, (ie a long long alt text) on a 20px by 20px i

Re: [WSG] inline-block support?

what specific, real-world problem could be solved by the use of display:inline-block? Anything where display: block + float: left is used at once (eg. navigation, definition list layouts etc.) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

On 1 Jun 2005, at 12:32 am, Thierry Koblentz wrote: If I disable images in FF and Safari I do not get anything. Do you? The answer for Firefox was already given. For Safari (using 1.3), with images disabled, I get a grey outline where the image should be, and **sometimes** the alt text displ

Re: [WSG] inline-block support?

On 5/31/05, kemie guaida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was sure that there was some major browser not implementing > display:inline-block, but in a quick test firefox 1.03, Opera 7 &8 and even > IE 6 are interpreting it correctly.I have yet to test on a mac, but that > would seem to cover a lot o

Re: [WSG] Exporting inline CSS

> Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that have inline CSS. > (Over 300 docs) Good Lord, what was that previous author thinking!?? There's no escaping this problem - you're just gonna have to start from scratch. Don't waste your time with "export/import" methods. MATTHOM matt

Re: [WSG] Exporting inline CSS

G'day Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that have inline CSS. (Over 300 docs) I am looking for some software, or way, that will export this inline css into a external css file. Or even just move it into a embedded style sheet. Replacing the styles (whether style blocks

Re: [WSG] Two questions: SEO document structure and font resizing

You cant stop font resizing in mozilla, and thank goodness for that :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for iFocus, Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://

Re: [WSG] Exporting inline CSS

If the HTML files were valid XHTML it would be a relatively easy job extracting the styles using XSLT.On 6/1/05, Patrick H. Lauke < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) wrote: > Am not aware on any package that would do this for you, but it should be> quite easy to set up a

RE: [WSG] Exporting inline CSS

> Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that have inline CSS. (Over 300 docs) I am looking for some software, or way, that will export this inline css into a external css file. Or even just move it into a embedded style sheet. Am not aware on any package that would do this

[WSG] Two questions: SEO document structure and font resizing

Hey there guys, I'll get straight to it - here's the site I'm referring to - http://www.travelinsurancecompared.com.au/ 1. Search engine optimisation and document structure The current document structure is: header nav content sidebar footer will it get more love from google if I make the con

Re: [WSG] Exporting inline CSS

Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) wrote: Am not aware on any package that would do this for you, but it should be quite easy to set up a Regular Expression routine to strip all style='foo' content from a page. The harder part would be to have it not just strip out the styles, but externalis

RE: [WSG] Exporting inline CSS

> Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that > have inline CSS. (Over 300 docs) I am looking for some > software, or way, that will export this inline css into a > external css file. Or even just move it into a embedded style sheet. Am not aware on any package that would do thi

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

Ahh, cool. Looks like the white-space property is supported well enough. http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/browser_support/element_type.html I'll go back to using for code blocks then. :) Thanks for pointing out the property, Martin. BenOn 5/31/05, Martin J. Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

Vaska.WSG wrote: I've been reading around (via Google) and I find others with similar problems but no solution. Is there a solution to this? Whenever I present code in a page, I use something similar to the method Simon Willison put forward by in July 2002: http://development.incutio.com/sim

Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

Somewhat belatedly -- the Flash-detection JavaScript I recommend is the "Moock FPI" script, see http://www.moock.org/webdesign/flash/detection/moockfpi/ a lot of work has gone into it and it has a very detailed bug-fix history, which gives me confidence, although it doesn't seem to have been u

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > Ok, the IR technique I was referring to (now that I've checked) was > the Gilder/Levin method > http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/#gilderlevin Believe it or not, but I didn't know about that one ;-) Identical approach in term of CSS, but - as you kn

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Thierry Koblentz wrote: Patrick Lauke wrote: and use CSS background image for the "real" image, but then you may as well use any other element (such as a SPAN in...whatever IR technique I'm thinking of). BTW, what would be the advantage of using a span rather than an img element? And then

Re: [WSG] Help Me Switch From Tables to CSS Divs

See if this is what you are looking for http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/2-columns-layout/ On 5/31/05, Olajide Olaolorun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know so many people have asked for this and at one point i left the emails > on the topic in my inbox but then i deleted them. I need to know

Re: [WSG] Help Me Switch From Tables to CSS Divs

Hi, deconstruct and redo: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/ csslayout/2-col/ G/L C On May 31, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Olajide Olaolorun wrote: I know so many people have asked for this and at one point i left the emails on the topic in my inbox but then i dele

[WSG] Help Me Switch From Tables to CSS Divs

I know so many people have asked for this and at one point i left the emails on the topic in my inbox but then i deleted them. I need to know how to switch from tables to divs. I have a 2 column table and want to switch it into css using divs. I know it has to do with the float tag in css but i tir

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

Hi Patrick, - Original Message - From: "Patrick Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap? But to reiterate: has semantic connotations - the content it marks up is a heading. , on the other hand, does not provide any

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

pixeldiva wrote: > Yes. I do. I get the alt text where it's been applied. As Patrick pointed out, you must be using the built-in function of FF, but it does not work that way in Safari (atleast in v.1.2.4). >> Regarding MSIE, what I meant is that the alt attribute value does >> not match the text

Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online User Violation

Just got that same email. Thanks to all on the list for alerting. I deleted without opening the file that was attached. ByteDreams - Original Message - From: "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online User Violation > I've

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

I think this will do the trick. It's a little odd, and I'll have to test this out more, doing a preg_match_all to determine how many \t's there are (so we know what class='tab$number' to use), but I think in most instances this will suffice. Thanks for pointing this solution out...v On M

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Patrick Lauke wrote: > Unless I'm mistaken, the WebDev extension does a fairly brutal > "remove images > from the DOM". A far more accurate test (if you don't want to change > your > global options) is to choose WebDev's Images > "Replace Images with > Alt Attributes" > option. > Can't vouch for Sa

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

On 5/31/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who's talking about tooltip? :-) > If I disable images in FF and Safari I do not get anything. Do you? Yes. I do. I get the alt text where it's been applied. > Regarding MSIE, what I meant is that the alt attribute value does not match > t

RE: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

> Thierry Koblentz > If I disable images in FF and Safari I do not get anything. Do you? If you disable images in FF through something like the WebDev extension, no. However, if you disable them the normal way (the way a user who doesn't want/need images would) via Tools > Options > Web Features

[WSG] Exporting inline CSS

Hi all, Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that have inline CSS. (Over 300 docs) I am looking for some software, or way, that will export this inline css into a external css file. Or even just move it into a embedded style sheet. Thanks in advance for any help. Kind Regards J

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

pixeldiva wrote: >> You mean even if images are disabled? >> That's true with some browsers, but not all. I believe FF and Safari >> do not show the alt attribute value at all when images are disabled. >> And in MSIE, this value is not displayed in relation to the user's >> settings regarding text-

RE: [WSG] inline-block support?

This doesn't quite answer your question - but if you want to test on a MAC and don't have one I found a resource yesterday... http://danvine.com/icapture/ It's not as good as the others I suppose but it is free. Heather Original Message: - From: kemie guaida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Da

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

On 5/31/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You mean even if images are disabled? > That's true with some browsers, but not all. I believe FF and Safari do not > show the alt attribute value at all when images are disabled. And in MSIE, > this value is not displayed in relation to the

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Patrick Lauke wrote: > Maybe I'm missing the point here, but...have we just come full circle? > If you're already adding IMG to the markup, what's the point of doing > Hello World > and applying lots of CSS to hide the text, if a simple > > will do? You mean even if images are disabled? That's tr

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Jan Brasna wrote: > Well, I don't fancy it much, I don't like the idea of presentational > image in HTML... I personally use own solution[1], based partly on > Dynatext[2]. Now I'm playing with Anatoly's DIR[3] > If the user

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

Vaska.WSG schrieb: Actually, because I can't really find a way to get by on the word-wrap issue and also the use of indents (as they appear in the code) I've done all of this in php without code or pre. It uses  's for the tabs (preg_replace("/\t/"...). ... If you are curious this is wh

Re: [WSG] style sheet set up

Recently a CSS "compressor" utility has been making its rounds on the del.icio.us/Furl bookmark sites (and the like). Removing whitespace and comments from stylesheets, cramming them all into one file, and similar naive approaches to improving a site's response time are far less effective strategie

RE: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

> From: Ben > > After some testing, I think it's best to stick to using for > blocks of code. won't preserve whitespace, so your code's > not going to have any indenting unless you use a lot of non-breaking > spaces which will inflate the size of your file and not to mention > a real be a pain i

Re: [WSG] inline-block support?

On 31 May 2005, at 10:42 pm, kemie guaida wrote: I was sure that there was some major browser not implementing display:inline-block, but in a quick test firefox 1.03, Opera 7 &8 and even IE 6 are interpreting it correctly.I have yet to test on a mac, but that would seem to cover a lot of user

RE: [WSG] information architecture

Hi Bruce, I'd also add to what Patrick said and say that IA, usability, SEO, accessibility, user interface design, etc. are components of an even bigger picture called User Experience Design (the broadest map of Web development). Here's another good article by Garrett that covers some of these

Re: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Well, I don't fancy it much, I don't like the idea of presentational image in HTML... I personally use own solution[1], based partly on Dynatext[2]. Now I'm playing with Anatoly's DIR[3] [1] Can be seen on or [2]

RE: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

> Vaska.WSG > I've > done all of this in php without code or pre. CODE is still the semantically correct element to wrap around this type of content, though... > What I'm doing is meant purely for presentation...it's a fast > way for a > person to view a script and try to determine where a

RE: [WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

> Thierry Koblentz > I think I may have found a new way to enhance the original idea: > The demo (scalable image): > http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip_5.asp > The article: > http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip.asp Maybe I'm missing the point here, but...have we just come full circle? If you

Re: [WSG] display: table-row

Try these two: http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html Russ > Can somebody please tell me where I can find a chart that shows what > browsers, if any, don't support "display: table-row" ? > > Thanks. ***

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

Thanks for the discussion folks... Actually, because I can't really find a way to get by on the word-wrap issue and also the use of indents (as they appear in the code) I've done all of this in php without code or pre. It uses  's for the tabs (preg_replace("/\t/"...). Aside from creating

RE: [WSG] information architecture

> Bruce Gilbert > can someone give me a good explanation on what information > acrhitecture is as it relates to web standards? IA is a completely separate discipline, which - to be honest - has nothing to do with web standards (so don't be surprised if this thread gets closed fairly quickly). To

[WSG] An alternative to FIR (Fahrner Image replacement)?

Hi all, I think I may have found a new way to enhance the original idea: The demo (scalable image): http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip_5.asp The article: http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip.asp Please report any error you may find. -- Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com **

[WSG] inline-block support?

I was sure that there was some major browser not implementing display:inline-block, but in a quick test firefox 1.03, Opera 7 &8 and even IE 6 are interpreting it correctly.I have yet to test on a mac, but that would seem to cover a lot of users.  Anything I'm missing? Any recent documentation

[WSG] information architecture

can someone give me a good explanation on what information acrhitecture is as it relates to web standards? I seen the word(s) used a lot lately. thanks, -- ::Bruce:: ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstan

[WSG] display: table-row

Can somebody please tell me where I can find a chart that shows what browsers, if any, don't support "display: table-row" ? Thanks. -- ~john Just fair-weather words from a four-letter friend. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgr

RE: [WSG] VIRUS!!!

Hi, Luckily, I thought it a little strange to receive an email from WSG informing me that I'd been removed from their mailing list. Especially as the email was from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and contained a download - which I ignored! I'm just wondering, as I use MailWasher Pro, I could bounce said email b

RE: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

> designer > Surely, the fact that denotes 'preformatting' means that the > formatting has occurred 'somewhere else' and not in the body > of the html. > So, in that sense, in what way is 'presentational' any > more than all > CSS is 'presentational? Aeh...I'm not quite following your reason

RE: [WSG] Looking for a standards-compliant classified advert solution [MOVE TO CMS LIST]

This is really a topic for the CMS list. Please carry on the conversation there. Regards, Peter > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Nicol > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:09 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] Look

[WSG] Looking for a standards-compliant classified advert solution

Hello everyone, I am seraching for a standards-compliant classified ad solution. The best non-compliant solution I've found is this: http://www.geodesicsolutions.com/products/classifieds/classifieds_enterprise.htm Does anyone know of a standards-compliant solution that is comparable to this? Ch

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

After some testing, I think it's best to stick to using for blocks of code. won't preserve whitespace, so your code's not going to have any indenting unless you use a lot of non-breaking spaces which will inflate the size of your file and not to mention a real be a pain in the butt to add.

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

- Original Message - From: "Patrick Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To split hairs, though, the problem with seems to be that it appears very much like a presentational, rather than a semantic element. Any semantics seem to be inferred by the fact that the content is preformatted, which is a

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

On 5/31/05, Prabhath Sirisena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would do it this way:int foo (int a, int b) {   /* do stuff here */   } And use the css:code.codeblock {  display: block;}Is this OK, or do you find anything unacceptably wrong here? Looksbetter than a PRE to me. Looks ok, but I'd probably

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

Fair point, was indented purely for presentation. However, it does have a small bit of semantic significance, insofaras it says "whitespace is important". Sure, it indents that in terms of presentation but the implied meaning is not irrelevent (especially in the context of languages where the whit

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

I would do it this way: int foo (int a, int b) { /* do stuff here */ } And use the css: code.codeblock { display: block; } Is this OK, or do you find anything unacceptably wrong here? Looks better than a PRE to me. Prabhath http://nidahas.com

RE: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

> Ben Ward is semantically pretty sound > for this, since code is pre-formatted and some languages are > white-space sensitive, for example. To split hairs, though, the problem with seems to be that it appears very much like a presentational, rather than a semantic element. Any semantics seem

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

Prabhath - is an inline element, so while is should probably be included somewhere in marking up code, you need something else on the outside of it to create the block. is semantically pretty sound for this, since code is pre-formatted and some languages are white-space sensitive, for example. V

RE: [WSG] VIRUS!!!

Well, that was fun! I foolishly trusted that the email was from the group ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and that I had for some reason been suspended. So I opened the attachment and clicked the file! How foolish of me! If only I had expanded the width of the filename column. It even had a program like ic

Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

> I'm trying to make a page that will display some source code. The PRE > tag works very will with retaining \t and \n but I can not find a way > to make it wrap words. Words fly off the monitor... Shouldn't you be using the code tag instead? It's a semantically better option. However, the pro

Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online User Violation

I've been receiving a few messages like this, but from my "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" so it looks like I'm emailing myself. It always says "more info is attached" and there's always a zipped attachment included. ~john Just fair-weather words from a four-letter friend. on 5/31/2005 10:06 AM Rick F

[WSG] warning *DETECTED* Online User Violation

DONT open the zip file attached to that USER VIOLATION email. I dowloaded it an my virus software picked up a trojan horse right away. -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/

Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online User Violation

It's a virus - Just ignore it! On 5/31/05, Nathan Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > > what is this? it seems to have been mailed to the list and not > specifically to me? > > Spam? > > -- > Nathan Wheatley > > On 31/05/2005, at 6:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > We regret to i

[WSG] Do not open the DETECTED message cause it contains a virus/trojan

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Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online User Violation

Hey, what is this? it seems to have been mailed to the list and not specifically to me? Spam? -- Nathan Wheatley On 31/05/2005, at 6:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We regret to inform you that your account has been suspended due to the violation of our site policy, more info is attached

[WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

I'm trying to make a page that will display some source code. The PRE tag works very will with retaining \t and \n but I can not find a way to make it wrap words. Words fly off the monitor... I've been reading around (via Google) and I find others with similar problems but no solution. Is t

Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online User Violation

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Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online User Violation

On 5/31/05 1:47 AM "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > We regret to inform you that your account has been suspended due to the > violation of our site policy, more info is attached. Detected what? What did I do so wrong? Man, I thought I was a good citizen here. Thank you,