from a cursory examination it seesm to position the top left corner of a span
(500px width) 500px to the left of the edge of the visible page. (thus making
the span invisible.)
In what context is it being used?
Paul
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http://brucelawson.co.uk/garden
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Thanks
for the heads up Doug,
This
is great news and good to see that developers are really picking up on standards
compliant design and working that into projects of this
scale.
The
site does not yetvalidate and the encoded ampersands are a big issue in
this (in fact the only issue on
Yep, he probably is right about that , but he's wrong about something else
. My home page uses web standards and it's no monument to great design.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webpagesthatsuck.com%2F...
Hah! But theres only *88* errors, so its not that bad ;)
is this CSS inline or included in a file?
If it's included in a file, the w3c validator won't mind at all. If its inline
then the validator might not like it.
No personal experience - just a hunch...
Paul
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ARGH! The logo's - the logo's!!!
My EYES!
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This could prove immensely helpful:
http://loadaveragezero.com/vnav/labs/PHP/
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML?
Personally, I believe this is one of the strong argumens for XHTML. PHP is
very sloppy, and when you combine that with another sloppy language, HTML, the
mess is tremendos. For small projects and new people it's not much of an
issue,
r U k1dd1n??
L1n3-thru l1nx sh0w wikked CSS h4x0r skillz, 'speshly w1f bl4ck bg c0l0ur and
gr33n 'MATRIX' c0l0ur linx
LOL
;)
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hmmmI smell Troll...
You don't work for Microsoft do you David?
:)
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not to me - want screenshots? IN IE the homepage actually defaults to
http://abc.net.au/default_800.htm
and in FF to
http://abc.net.au/
I thought all those nasty browser-sniffing days were over
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Strange - it doesn't redirect for me. Are you using PC or MAC? I have tried IE
6 and IE 5.5 on the PC and in both cases I go to http://www.abc.net.au, not
http://abc.net.au/default_800.htm
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not to me - want screenshots? IN IE the homepage actually defaults to
http://abc.net.au/default_800.htm and in FF to http://abc.net.au/
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Great topic!
I had some experience using xml / xslt earlier this year. I was fiddling with
w3schools xslt tutorial which uses client-side xslt transformation and I
finally saw what all the xml fuss was about. The content could be marked up
meaningfully (according to the actual data) then xslt
It doesn't actually validate. (watch wrap)
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barclays.co.uk%2Fpremier%2Fcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlineverbose=1
*unless the desired effect...*
Why fighting the medium?
If that *desire effect* is purely visual, then I think there is a problem...
Yep, they're called 'Clients' :)
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I'd say that people who rely heavily on tables are the ones who obviously do
not care
about standards.
Or they just DON'T KNOW.
I work in an organisation where our only other coder hasn't been formally
trained, was thrown into intranet work out of necessity and has learnt 'web
stuff' by
be glad you're learning about web standards now - it'll make getting a good job
a lot easier.
The capability of my tutors wasn't much better than yours. Even Zeldman has
lamented lately (sorry - googled and couldn't find the entry) that Universities
can teach molecular physics but apparently
Screenshots of a browser displaying (X)HTML errors in the same manner that a
compiler
does may get the message across that valid markup is important to those that
make the
decisions about such things. I'd certainly find it useful.
although I foresee browsing with that extension may be a
And Times New Roman is the default font by browsers, if I remember correctly?
At least
IE's default font.
I may be wrong (it happened once before ;) ) but I would think that the browser
would use the default SYSTEM serif font. Seeing as this (for Windows) is Times
New Roman, that's what
1. personally that font size is already borderline readable (and I have good
vision) any smaller than 9px (some would say 10px) is getting into the
squinty-eyes arena.
2. According to my screen callipers, the font size the designer wants is 7px.
There's a reason it looks too small at this size
Hi Isabel,
Firstly your request was a *whole lot* for us list members to take in, hence
the lack of responses.
Secondly, the list is fine for me in IE6 (Windows XP, Service Pack 2).
The list is expanded as the page loads, the script then seems to load which
collapses the list. The images
dl id=testimonial
dtJoe Coyle, President, www.coylemedical.com/dt ddMr. Cisneros and his
team have
an extraordinary talent for customer communication, market vision, and web
page
design./dd dl
feel free to bite my head off - I haven't been following this thread closely.
There seems
(1) Trim your posts
(2) That reply would be better off-list
Tip to 'pay' for this post (ala evolt.org):
If, for any reason, you're using word-to-html conversion, here's a handy tool
to help you clean up some of that gorgeous WORD 'markup':
http://textism.com/wordcleaner/
:)
Paul
2 options spring to mind:
(1) give the div margin-top to push it to the bottom. This way, even if the
above content expands, the div *should* still appear at the bottom of the table
cell
(2) Rowspan the other two cells and split the third (containing the div) into
two rows eg:
FOUC?
an empty script tag will do it, ie:
script type=text/javascript/script
(after the styles are imported / included iirc...)
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and the market share of Linux in general in my own web site stats is next to
nil.
Wouldn't a LOT of Linux users now be Firefox users too?
The OS is not the concern here (although Konqueror is Linux exclusive? ), it's
getting things working in (somewhat imperfect) browsers.
Ian is expressing
but there should be something similar which uses the KDE desktop.
Knoppix uses KDE from (rather rusty) memory
http://www.Knoppix.org
Paul
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I get the big gap in FF 1.07.
Interestingly the page renders without the gap until the main content is filled
in, at which time the footer of the page 'jumps' down - creating the gap in
question.
I can't find anything out of the ordinary in your css, (although some shorthand
would go down
Nothing that I can see at a cursory glance, but it may help to validate your
stylesheet:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcmonagle.biz%2Ftheme%2Fstandards2.csswarning=1profile=css2usermedium=all
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SSI is irrelevant to standards, as the code is parsed by the webserver (and
the include file placed in the output code) before the browser/client receives
it
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I use XHTML Strict, and if my markup in the SSI file contains a deprecated
property then it won't validate.
This is an issue with the *code in the include*
NOT
with server side includes.
This list is about standards-compliant code - SSI has no bearing on whether a
site is or isn't standards
There's a message here:
*Before* asking - VALIDATE your code! :)
Paul
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Fluid problems
Why
Trolling?
:)
Tip:(unrelated to this dead thread)
I found this good reference: a list of commonly confused HTML special characters
http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~ggbaker/reference/characters/#single
Paul
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Hi,
this discussion has been had before - follow this thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg22706.html
:)
Paul
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Hi AlvAro,
The WSG Resources section is a good place to start:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/
:)
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On this page:
http://www.formarchitect.com/content/index.php
It took me about 5 minutes to figure out I had to click
'Create Form' after I'd just clicked 'Start New Form' - that part is not clear
or user-friendly
Also the google ads under your main tabs are misleading -
it looks like they
You're saying that Add is a definition of Item 1
dtItem 1/dt
dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd
dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd
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Actually Mike, according to a recent Jakob Neilsen study, Jakob Neilsen is
right 100% of the time.
;)
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You mean none of you can see my animated gifs?
;)
To set default messages to plain text in Outlook:
Tools Options Mail Format - Compose message in: Plain text (drop down box)
To set html messages as plain text when replying:
Format Plain Text (or Alt+o t for all us keyboard junkies)
Paul
trust the Texans to be loud!
;)
Tip - a great resource site: http://www.alvit.de/handbook/ [web developer's
handbook]
Paul
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On 3/2/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... due to Dead Edwards' IE7 script not working
Man, when did Dean Edwards die? I know his last post was in December, but I
didn't know he was *dead*
Maybe MS will make IE7 standards compliant in his honour... ;)
Paul
common mistake, often referred to as div-mania (or something along
It's famous!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divitis
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here's me showing my greeny status again... ;) What do they mean when they
mean when they say that.. :(
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Without more info...check the URL of the background image in your CSS?
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Hi,
Just one more
Hi David,
In my experience, you can't guarantee that a mobile device will be a full
fledged 'browser' (like Opera mini or Safari for the iPhone), so you don't know
if JS will be supported on a handheld device. This may be less likely now, but
is still valid.
Example: About 3 - 4 years ago I
Anyone remember frames?
It's a plan so crazy it just might work!
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This sounds like a
One of the best things we did was to follow Doug Bowmans (webstock '06)
suggestion to break up stylesheets into logical components and include them in
one main file.
Our 'styles.css' file now looks like this:
-
@import url(styles-contentTables.css);
@import
Hi Chris,
Basically if I'm looking to change something in the main nav, I look in
mainnav.css, if I'm altering a header for a table in our content area, I look
in contentTables.css etc, etc.
The main file was 30K (!) before we started trimming it down and breaking up.
Yes it's more http
misc:exposeBean var=platform bean=platform/
Never a good look to expose your beans in public...
Apart from that it seems to be just url encoding issues - great to see more and
more large sites moving to standards based code
Paul
In my experience, browser crashes == bad JavaScript or bad video
In Firefox and Opera - the flash video shows the message 'a required component
is missing from your system! Click here to add component'
(no js errors in either browser)
there are a lot of requests to dev.theweddingshow.com.au
Hi all,
I just have to pitch in here. My dealings with Drupal have been less than
wonderful. I find it vague and confusing (kind of like it's trying to be
everything to everyone) and when I tried to create a new template I found all
sorts of crappy table-based code needed, as well as the need
a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than
IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his
G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine)
now that is something to think about!
Ah, nothing like a good bit of hardware
Then how will you test for ... IE 5 Mac
Like the rest of us - he won't
:)
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Peekaboo bug?
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html
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Flash: (google video, youtube, yahoo video, revver, dailymotion, etc etc)
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_1/
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_2/
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_3/
Yes, you can get
I, for one am enjoying this discussion :)
My 2c:
1) Let the user know it's a PDF *and* what size the PDF is, eg by putting
something like (12Kb PDF) beside the link. I'm on dial up at home and it grates
my backside when sites don't let me know how big the file is
2) If you can, use
Hi Joyce,
It looks like vCard is a standard, so I guess the user's email client would
pick it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard
HTH,
Paul
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You could also look at Yahoo's YUI grids css project which is essentially
doing the same thing but supported by Yahoo.
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
I've had good experiences with it...
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Apart from a cursory look, no. This looks pretty straightforward.
Advantages with YUI however are that:
- it allows you to nest elements to create 'grids' (think easy cross browser
css columns within columns)
- it uses one central css file instead of different css files for each layout
-
visibility: hidden does hide the content from screen readers the same as
display:none does.
And it may get your site banned from search engines if overused:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66353
What I've done for accesskey code is use this:
position: absolute;
The blinking was really annoying (and it was everywhere!), as was the very
small text.
What I liked was the live rendering of the fonts and the ability to select a
font and actually be able to type with it, see it at different font sizes etc -
very handy (I've seen this on another font site
Now instead of opening up inkscape it's just a call to a PHP script like:
background-image: url(corner.png.php?fgc=cccbs=1bgc=000bc=fffr=90);
So for everytime the css file is called, your script has to create an image?
Has this impacted on your sites / servers performance any?
Have you
You mean the 'Golden Mean'? Not that I can see - grids offers a variety of
column widths and nesting. You do a large variety of things with it and column
widths don't appear to be golden mean base, but based on Yahoo's enormous
experience .
I am slowly learning to create aesthetically
http://www.passports.gov.au
1. Flyout menu? Check
2. Really bad site search? Check.
3. Ugly design? Check.
4. Shocking usability? Check.
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Hi Lyn,
In order for them to work correctly, CMS systems usually restrict you to
using/designing application specific templates (some even incorporate
templating languages). You'll likely need to work with the CMS from the word go.
Bear in mind that if you haven't worked with CMS driven
winrar will open .tar and .gz files on windows: http://www.rarlab.com/
:)
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+1 on this.
I am no l33t h4x0r (by any stretch of the imagination), but even I know I can
easily circumvent client-side validation for nefarious purposes in at least
the following ways:
1. save the form onto my drive, remove all js and submit the form to your
server url with pretty much any
Hi Jody,
I recall having a similar problem. The issue came down (from memory) to the
doctype I was using. I was closing elements in xhtml style, while the doctype I
was using was html.
Firefox was happily removing the extraneous closing elements in the rendered
source to fit the doctype.
:)
The IE7 beta worked as a standalone until the first Release Candidate came out.
I presume IE8 will do the same.
Am trying now, but you need to have a fully patched machine (I'm behind a
firewall so our patches are usually pushed out a bit later ) to install it - so
be warned that the installer
2 restarts later I have found the following:
* it overwrites IE7
* it doesn't render anything in the tabs!
* it has an 'emulate IE7' button (??)
Best to hold off for now. If I get it sorted I'll let you all know.
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Hi all,
Sorry for the quick-fire posts. This just in:
* if it doesn’t render when you start up the browser, you can open a new tab
and then switch back to the first tab - this seems to 'wake up' the rendering
engine
* the 'emulate IE7' button allows you to switch between IE7 and IE8 rendering
Hi there,
you can use a css rule to stop long text breaking table widths:
table tr td {overflow: hidden}
:)
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Hi William,
It sounds like you're looking for something like a 'jello layout' (term not
mine)
You can find out more here:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/jello.html
Basically a jello layout will expand and shrink with the browser window but
only to a defined minimum / maximum.
warning: untested!
You could try this* (won't people almost _always_ be mousing over the page body
though?)
body{background: #000 url(/path/to/image.gif) repeat;}
body:hover{background: #000 url(/path/to/somotherimage.gif) repeat;}
* won't work in IE 6 though
HTH?
Paul
Hi Anthony,
I sent a request for a registration on the webstandards wiki 2 days ago - how
long does it normally take SSC to grant access?
Am I supposed to do something else?
Regards,
Paul Bennett
Web Coder
Web Centre
Wellington City Council
http://www.wellington.govt.nz http
Ack!
Anyone else had horrible problems installing FF3?
My install crashes every time I open it, so I had to reinstall FF2..
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select custom install and install it to another directory (something like
/Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side.
You can do this with Opera too.
:)
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Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :)
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Hi Jen,
Your comment may have come across as a bit more negative than it was intended,
however:
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairfax.com.au%2Findex.ac
(46 errors)
He who lives in a glass house etc, etc...
My opinion (and it is just that) is the we need to stop
Hi Kevin,
It's not clear what you're trying to achieve. Can you give us some more
information?
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Hi Schalk,
Glad you raised this.
We built a new section of our site a while ago which required different
treatment from our normal text h1's. I looked at the image replacement route
and found the approaches kludgy and overwrought.
I ended up doing exactly what you said:
h1a img src= alt=Page
Hi Michael,
While that is possible, unfortunately the h1 text doesn't display when images
are off and css is still in use.
This is the issue many image replacement techniques sought to address.
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Unless you're behind a firewall which requires proxy auth. In this case, you'll
need to wait until tonight :(
http://thingsilearn.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/attention-software-developers-dont-make-assumptions-about-my-internet-connection/
Hi Tee,
According to product info, it's been in private beta for a while.
This is the first public beta (well, to 100 or so countries anyway)
Rest assured a Mac ( *Nix ?) version will follow soon :)
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Hi there,
A bit left field, but I've had this issues *similar* to this before. It sounds
like a network or ISP cache issue.
Once it was a company proxy not grabbing the latest files from the webserver
and serving up old code, the other time, an ISP was caching website data in
their proxy to
Lisa,
On behalf of other list members, any chance of turning return receipts off?
:)
Paul
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