RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-17 Thread Peter Firminger
Hey folks, We don't need on-list confirmations of where you are thanks. If your details are right in the login database then we know. Thanks, Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/

RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Peter Firminger
> Marina Del Rey, CA is a suburb of Los Angeles, California. > Paradise!!! :-) > > Best, > Jim Barricks Might be best to list yourself as Los Angeles then, or is it really too far spread? I've only seen the airport :) This is why we ask for the general city rather than suburbs or sattelite citie

[WSG] Meetings in new cities

2004-07-16 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi all, If you want to see how many people are in your area (and if you have over ten you can probably start a meeting group) please log into the site, scroll down on the member home page to Country/Member count and click View Details (or just go to http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/login_view.c

RE: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)

2004-07-08 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Scott, The process is open. Join W3C, get on a working group and contribute to you're heart's content. But you'll need to know a lot more than you do now. No offence but I think you'll be out of your depth just getting out of the elevator (as I would be). http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Prospectu

RE: [WSG] Jobs and the list - where else?

2004-07-07 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi, Russ is in New Zealand at the moment and the end of the financial year was not good for either of us. For the moment I don't have time to build a new section for job ads, but it's in the list of things to do. I don't believe it's a good solution though as it will still require people to acti

RE: [WSG] THREAD CLOSED - Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Sorry folks, nothing really wrong here but the subject line is giving me grief. Some Government spam filters see ; in the subject and throw it back to me and I'm getting swamped. Stupid really but there you go.   If you must ans

RE: [WSG] Interesting reading

2004-06-14 Thread Peter Firminger
> Then again, according to the "article" (rant): changing > standards = OXYMORON That's why there are different versions and subversions. 3.2, 4.0 and 4.01 are all different beasts. They don't change. If you're an idiot that doesn't think a doctype is required because you don't understand it, then

RE: [WSG] OT: Intranet Search utility [ANSWER TO SENDER ONLY PLEASE]

2004-06-14 Thread Peter Firminger
Please answer this off list as it has nothing to do with Web Standards. P > I am looking for a (preferably free) software to be able to > do searches > on an Intranet site. The Intranet is hosted on a local Unix Server. > Any inputs would be greatly appreciated. > > > Regards, > Amit Karmakar > w

[WSG] Category for Standards-based applications

2004-06-13 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi List, I have added (at the request of Bert Doorn) a resources section for server applications that output valid code. Bert's question included the following: - In order to further promote standards compliant (x)html and css websites, I wonder if we could as a group provide a list/database

RE: [WSG] file extensions

2004-06-12 Thread Peter Firminger
Not a good idea for the average website. If you're running amazon.com then there would be a reason to do it but for most of us maintenance would be an issue.   P From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher KennonSent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:28 AMT

[WSG] Workshop on the W3C's Semantic Web Services Activity

2004-06-11 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi list, For our Queensland members (or anyone else that has a travel budget to get them to Brisbane for a Queensland mid-winter weekend): The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is a non-for-profit, vendor-neutral international Web standards organisation that develops inter

[WSG] G RATED LIST

2004-06-10 Thread Peter Firminger
> LOL Yeah, I'm not laughing! You should see the bounces I get from many many (Government) mail servers that block anything containing the f word (probably when it is in a URL). New rule (I really didn't think we had to make a rule about this) Anyone using profanity on this list in future will b

RE: [WSG] Standard Hacks?

2004-06-09 Thread Peter Firminger
No, we do it to specifically exploit this bug or particular behaviour so it is a hack. If you look at the stylesheets you'll see that there is basic css in the one that NN4 can see and all the other more advanced stuff is in the one it can't see. All quite deliberate using both methods to achieve i

RE: [WSG] Standard Hacks?

2004-06-09 Thread Peter Firminger
Russ and I have discussed this at length and we have come to the opinion that the @import rule (when used in that manner) is indeed a hack but a harmless one. The reasoning is that it exploits a bug or particular behaviour in a browser. In this case, older browsers don't understand it at all and t

RE: [WSG] meta http-equiv :- CORRECTION

2004-06-09 Thread Peter Firminger
Nope sorry, > The correct content type or MIME type for an XHTML document is > "application/xhtml+xml". This (mime type issue) is only required for XHTML 1.1. You don't have to do it for XHTML 1.0 Transitional (which the example was). The answer to Jamie's original question is to have a look at

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Firminger
Nick, > No, no - I'm not suggesting for a second we should *only* develop for > IE, or any other certain browsers! Just the opposite - I make a point > of delivering my clients' message to the maximum number of visitors. > And I'm not bitter; just realistic. That's why I say 'IE is here to > stay'

[WSG] List daddy lecture time (speaking of grumpy list managers)

2004-06-07 Thread Peter Firminger
and may well answer some questions. Thanks for reading. I repeat... Please reply directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOT the list (not that I expect any discussion on this). I'm not joking. Peter Firminger * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? [Please reply to the poster that asked now]

2004-06-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Is Google that hard to use? http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ruby+editor Can we send these directly to the person that requested it please and that person can post the suggestions. Also, just give positives. If you don't like 'product-x', then don't suggest it. Trashing products on-list is not

RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-03 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Mordechai, I totally disagree. IE (with it's problems) is the dominant browser and it's absolutely your problem (the web developer) to make sure the site you build for a client works on the most likely user-agent. If it's your own site then you can do whatever you want. Compliant code that wor

RE: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Neerav, > True you havent done them yet Russ :-) > > Call it a premonition, which was proved right as you say you will > interview them in the leadup to WE04. This is not the case at all and I want to squish that assumption right away. The "Features" section of the WSG site has absolutely noth

RE: [WSG] Standards compliant content management system. (MOVED TO THE APPROPRIATE LIST)

2004-05-31 Thread Peter Firminger
We have a CMS list for this subject. Please (subscribe if you're not already on it and) move it over there for any further discussion. For details, see: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource131.cfm Regards, Peter * The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] Budget Design CLOSED NOW THANKS

2004-05-31 Thread Peter Firminger
I've let this ramble on a bit as a) it seemed interesting to a number of you and b) it is a slow day on the list however now it is going right off target and I think we should finish the discussion. Thanks, ListDad > This is having less and less to do with web standards. **

RE: [WSG] Impairment browsers (insert correct pc term here)

2004-05-26 Thread Peter Firminger
Actually, contact your local blind society and see if they have someone that can show you the ropes. It's a real heads-up to listen to a website the way the people using speech software like JAWS hear it. P * The discussion list for http://webs

RE: [WSG] Browsers Emulator

2004-05-25 Thread Peter Firminger
It's very difficult (impossible) to emulate all the bugs in a browser without running the browser. Emulators can emulate the required behaviour but generally not the bugs. So unless you actually do what people like browsercam have done and set up a bank of machines running the browsers and screensh

RE: [WSG] strange white flash on mouseover

2004-05-24 Thread Peter Firminger
Works perfectly on IE 6 for me. There's always a flash of no BG on IE but it returns as it loads it again. IE separates the normal and hover states and when you roll over it loads the image again, even though it's the same one. Try the nav on the WSG site in IE and you'll see the same happens to t

RE: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed

2004-05-21 Thread Peter Firminger
I repeat from my initial post... > Any discussion on this topic should take place on > http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm This is not negotiable! Peter Listdad * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

[WSG] WSG Redesign Closed

2004-05-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Members, Voting has now closed for the WSG design competition. For your information, here are the top 3 results: Voting (total 144 votes): 69 votes (47.9%) - Russ Weakley 35 votes (24.3%) - Current Site 17 votes (11.8%) - Lindsay Evans Rating (sum of points awarded -2 to 2): 154 - Russ Weakle

RE: [WSG] Traffic matters... (was: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org)

2004-05-20 Thread Peter Firminger
Yes, WSG membership is membership to the mailing list. The site is a bonus. I'd really rather not split the lists as then we'll get a heap of people on the general topics list and not so many on the help list and the people that need help won't get it as readily. The same reason we don't want to g

RE: [WSG] PHP is OT (was: javascript form submission)

2004-05-18 Thread Peter Firminger
That'll do for the PHP stuff now thanks folks. There are plenty of resources available online. Use google to locate them. Something like http://www.google.com/search?q=php+form+validation P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org

RE: [WSG] WSG design competition voting time

2004-05-17 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi, I really don't think we want to discuss people's voting reasons on list. That can be done on http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm if you really want to. They are flat graphic mock-ups so there is no code at this stage. The chosen design will be built correctly. When votin

RE: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

2004-05-14 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Tina, I would suggest using HTML 4.01 Transitional over HTML 4.0 but I can't remember why now. I think (maybe) it is more consistently displayed across browsers. I know we had a reason to make sure we changed all our stuff years ago but it was probably to do with NN 4 at that stage. There is n

RE: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? THREAD CLOSED

2004-05-13 Thread Peter Firminger
Russ already stopped this thread. Please do not continue with it on list. P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

[WSG] Validity! (was tag)

2004-05-11 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi all, The goal in adhering to web standards isn't to "pass the validator", it's to write valid code. The validator is just a tool to help achieve this. Fudging to fool the validator is just cheating on a test. If it's not in the spec it shouldn't be on the page, whether it's hard coded or dynam

RE: [WSG] When the mix of visual appearance and meaning goes really bad

2004-05-07 Thread Peter Firminger
Yeah, I think were probably done on this topic. The point is that the scientific community's need for italicisation of species names IS a visual one and it predates the web by centuries. A wishy-washy or a span is wrong in this case as the goal is to specifically italicise not emphasise or otherwi

RE: [WSG] When the mix of visual appearance and meaning goes really bad

2004-05-06 Thread Peter Firminger
> I'm sure lot's of people probably use when they aren't really > emphasising something, but simply wanting to make something italic. Absolutely! In natural science (specifically speaking about species names here) Italics are the way to present the scientific name (genus species pair or "senior s

RE: [WSG] XHTML transitional is a half-way house [THREAD CLOSED]

2004-05-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Topic exhausted. Email me off list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if you would like a discussion page but I can't see the need. There is nothing left to say without straying to a new topic. In which case, start a new thread please. P * The discussion list

RE: [WSG] CSS: writing-mode / MS runs W3C?

2004-05-02 Thread Peter Firminger
AMEN Brother! Thanks for saying it. Kinda gets lonely out on this limb... (sorry for the content-free reply)   P From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon JesseySent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:56 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS: writing-m

RE: [WSG] Org Charts

2004-04-29 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Geoff, I still think that SVG is worth investigating though will be a steep learning curve. This one is pretty impressive, especially the relationships. http://www.w3.org/2003/02/W3COrg.svg P > Deb, > > That looks pretty cool. Is it dynamically or manually built? We've > been working on dy

[WSG] Read Receipts!

2004-04-28 Thread Peter Firminger
John (and anyone else that has them on by default),   Turn off read receipt requests when posting to this list! These horribly invasive things are worse than spam and I get most of them returned to me being the list administrator! I have 47 so far, thanks mate.   There are 580+ addresses on

RE: [WSG] website checking

2004-04-28 Thread Peter Firminger
Will is right. You are using Apache on Unix and Unix is case sensitive with filenames. If you link to "style.css" and the filename is "Style.css" it won't work. Best practice? Use Windows servers (just joking)... Always use ALL lowercase filenames and you won't have this issue and the site will b

RE: [WSG] International meetings

2004-04-27 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Tim, We are very aware of your privacy, so you let us know off list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and we send a BCC email to the people in your area (in some cases we'll need help identifying the people close to you as we have no idea about most locations) asking if they are interested in setting up a me

RE: [WSG] Org Charts

2004-04-23 Thread Peter Firminger
Great question! I must admit to copping out to a gif on the rare occasions we have had to do this but SVG may be an option. Does anyone know if the SVG plug-ins are pre-installed with browsers (IE in particular) now? I seem to have the adobe plug-ins (I'm on WinXP Pro) but can't remember if I ins

RE: [WSG] International meetings

2004-04-23 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Andy, Had to change the subject as it was bugging me... Sorry. > On the subject of international groups, I wonder if anybody > has thought > about integrating the WSG with http://webstandards.meetup.com/ ? We actually started as the Sydney Webstandards Meetup and it only lasted one meeting as

RE: [WSG] I am having a problem... Tab (li) width

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Did my suggestion last night help? Hey everyone... this problem is still a problem for me... anyone have any suggestions?? basically - I want to define the width of the tabs on my website... withouth havint to add a span... Try something like this locally

RE: [WSG] CSS Tables

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi and welcome Noa! > The only advantage I can tell is that it just doesn't use any > or > or tags, which I have an irrational hatred towards. Let's not get carried away with hatred for tables. They have a place in (x)html and where appropriate are the best tool for the job. Using them as a la

RE: [WSG] I am having a problem...

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Chris, I believe you may need to address all states of the a selector: link, visited and active as well as hover (which you do separately): #navigation a.current:link, #navigation a.current:visited, #navigation a.current:active, { background-color: #FFF; border-bottom: 1px solid #FFF; font-wei

[WSG] FEATURE-AOL sees future in Web standards, digital media

2004-04-04 Thread Peter Firminger
Sorry if this has been posted already, couldn't see it anywhere... http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4648876 P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines

RE: [WSG] OT: email delays and pair hiring a standards-savvy designer END AGAIN!

2004-04-03 Thread Peter Firminger
Folks, this is noise. Please discuss elsewhere. THE END > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Sammis > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 6:14 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] OT: email delays and pair hiring a > standards-s

RE: [WSG] WSG Design competition is now open

2004-04-02 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi woric. > My question is will the voting results will be kept secret > until the voting > finishes, or will they be known before voting closes so we > can change our > vote accordingly? Hmmm democracy... I wonder how an election for the leader of a country would go if the results were tabulated

RE: [WSG] Layout 39% not 39%

2004-03-31 Thread Peter Firminger
Title: Message Hmmm,   Try putting it into standards compliant mode and it's different, but still not correct. Also putting the style into the head section will help... Really can't expect anything good to happen where it is.   Try margin-left: 9%;   See http://webboy.net/jobs/css/taco.htm   P

RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??

2004-03-28 Thread Peter Firminger
Unsubscribing will fix it Felix. P > Why do people send this junk to a mailing list? > > Why doesn't the mailing list software strip it out? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelin

RE: [WSG] How do I start a group in a city

2004-03-26 Thread Peter Firminger
Title: How do I start a group in a city Hi Brian,   There would be no real need for a domain and local website as you could post your meeting notices, presentation materials etc. on the WSG site giving you exposure to others that may happen along later. That is unless you didn't want it to be

RE: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

2004-03-24 Thread Peter Firminger
So you're saying we should all just use black default font on white pages then? Not going to happen! It's a pathetic argument Felix. Really not worth bothering with. Peter > On the contrary. Because authors using Verdana as primary > size according > to their own taste for the giant font, when p

RE: [WSG] Scrollbars in IE6 (PC)

2004-03-24 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Vaska, Posting a link to it will really help. Without seeing the rest of the HTML (doctype etc.) we have no idea about whether or not you are in standards compliant mode and what else is in there. Are you using a frameset doctype. Have you validated all your code (html and css)? Can I ask (in

RE: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

2004-03-23 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Darian, > I'm considering changing the fonts for my website's CSS to > arial... maybe. I wouldn't bother. Verdana is perfectly acceptable with the Arial, Sans-serif backup. > I still like verdana, I'm so stubborn (>_<) I don't think either of > these font are really offending to anyone. May

[WSG] Digest

2004-03-23 Thread Peter Firminger
Does no-one ever read the welcome message that contains all you need to know? Sorry Tom but we get asked this question a lot (usually off-list). Send an email from your subscribed account to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "set mode digest wsg" (no quotes) as the BODY (not subject) and it will be so. The

RE: [WSG] Greetings [Thread Closed]

2004-03-22 Thread Peter Firminger
You're preaching to the converted here Denny. This is a focussed list and this (without any concrete advice or methodology) is way off topic.   Thread closed. No further comments please.   Peter (Listdad) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denny Lanc

RE: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread Peter Firminger
H... All very interesting. To do this we may have to change the functionality of the CMS a bit and maybe even hard code the pages that rarely change due to the needs of a site that displays code on the page by default (when pasted in). I don't think that many outside the core group have actual

RE: [WSG] iCapture + Drop down menu

2004-03-22 Thread Peter Firminger
Depends on the site a bit... If you're drawing the images from a database in a cms and have the width as available data, then use the width as a local style. If they're all hard coded, then hard code it in there instead which is a pain but that's what you get when you hard code websites and may be

[WSG] Thanks messages

2004-03-21 Thread Peter Firminger
A general note to all. Due to the increase in traffic, probably better to send "Thanks" emails that contain nothing else directly to the sender rather than to the list. Thanks, Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] drop down menus

2004-03-21 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Nick, > I feel the same way however I'm working on tidying a variation of > drop-down navigation at http://www.amcs.org.au right now and this one > does have some benefits. The problem with this method is that it confuses the user. I looked at this site last night with your previous problem an

RE: [WSG] XHTML: 1.0 transitional->1.0 strict->1.1

2004-03-21 Thread Peter Firminger
The quick test is to simply change the doctype and hit a validator to see what issues arise from your code and then work through them. Remember though that if you're changing from XHTML 1.0 Transitional, then you really need to change the way the document is sent to the browser, the mime type real

RE: [WSG] [CSS] IE6 header issue.

2004-03-20 Thread Peter Firminger
The address is? P > Hello all, > > Ok this is my first fully CSS based site (still work in > progress by the > way) and I first of all want to give credit to Russ's great * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webst

[WSG] XHTML WSYWYG Editor

2004-03-20 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi lists, We were sent an email about an ActiveX control that may be of interest to CMS developers. Here is the message: I am one of the developers of XStandard - a standards-compliant XHTML 1.1 WYSIWYG editor. It helps non-technical business users generate clean and accessible code. We have a

[WSG CMS] XHTML WSYWYG Editor

2004-03-20 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi lists, We were sent an email about an ActiveX control that may be of interest to CMS developers. Here is the message: I am one of the developers of XStandard - a standards-compliant XHTML 1.1 WYSIWYG editor. It helps non-technical business users generate clean and accessible code. We have a

RE: [WSG] A rave about 's

2004-03-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Yes it's quite legal but it's semantically poor. This is what information architecture is all about. > h1 (logo, slogan, navigation, search etc.) > h1 > h1 > h1 > > That is the structure I would like to use. Any thoughts? Does the title of a book have the same semantic meaning as a chapter ti

RE: [WSG] forum @ WSG?c]

2004-03-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Scott, Not off topic at all. We're right in the middle of a planning stage for WSG and will be making some announcements soon. Yes we have discussed a forum, but have agreed that it will not fulfil the purpose as questions won't get answered with the same speed. I am on many fora and only ever

[WSG] The dark stallion has been deleted!

2004-03-18 Thread Peter Firminger
Sorry folks, took me a few to work out it was an auto responder as I'm a bit slow at 4:30am! Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the lis

RE: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Peter Firminger
Hmmm yes, we have access to three (mini) DV cameras that I know of. Processing all that video will be a bit of a pain though. We'll probably do an hour with David so it may not be very practical, and I don't really want to serve that much video from my server. Maybe someone in Sydney can volunteer

RE: [WSG] Usability Week 2004

2004-03-16 Thread Peter Firminger
They're at http://www.nngroup.com/events/sydney/prices.html . Worst case (5 days no EB) AUD$3,618 per head. Not 20K but still pretty steep. P > > I wanted to send this out early so we can all benefit from > > the early discount fee. > > Thanks - that will also give us all time to have some good

RE: [WSG] Sorry about the old posts

2004-03-16 Thread Peter Firminger
> The source of the old post is, > Tim [deleted] > Yeah that was Tim's message that was resent. He is definitely not the problem. > Check the header of the post previous to the repeat of Russ's post. Yep, it's Russ' address > > I wouldn't rule out the possibility that this is the work of > a sp

[WSG] Sorry about the old posts

2004-03-16 Thread Peter Firminger
They seem to be emanating from a bt.com smtp server. Any ideas BT members? Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from smtp4.smtp.bt.com [217.32.164.151] by mail.webboy.net with SMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:34:52 +1100 Peter * The discussio

RE: [WSG] New CSS site

2004-03-15 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Sandy, It's http://www.cinema4duser.com/ You can always view the message archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/ to see the beginning of a thread. This shows the importance of hitting reply if answering a message or creating a new one if it's a new thread. Just typ

RE: [WSG] New to WSG

2004-03-12 Thread Peter Firminger
Yep, getting that a lot this morning.. The details are at the end of the welcome email (which no-one seems to read)... I will warn you however that the digest version isn't perfect. I'm about to upgrade the mail server so we'll see if it improves but it is received as an email with attachments on s

RE: [WSG] overflow IE problem

2004-03-12 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi 7, Can you please supply a link to the page in question as well as the CSS file(s). In order to help we need to be able to see it in action in case there is something else in the code affecting or conflicting with it. This also lets us see what language and version you are using and whether or

RE: [WSG] New CSS site

2004-03-11 Thread Peter Firminger
I meant end of favicon topic, not feedback on the site. Sorry, P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

RE: [WSG] New CSS site (end of thread please)

2004-03-11 Thread Peter Firminger
As long as you don't mind all the 404 errors. Best practice: * Use the icon format with as many versions as you like (16x16, 32x32, 16 colour, 256 colour etc.) within that file. * Use favicon.ico as the filename and put in in the site root. This will account for a majority by default. * On every

RE: [WSG] New CSS site

2004-03-11 Thread Peter Firminger
 http://webboy.net/webboy.ico" /> From: Universal Head [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:36 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] New CSS site This doesn't validate either - does anyone have the correct validating code for inserting a favicon?Pe

RE: [WSG] Links for light reading...

2004-03-10 Thread Peter Firminger
Also of some interest, maybe a bit old... Aug 7 2003 http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1388637 Paul Ford from ftrain.com on web standards. Nice to hear NPR on a topic close to my heart. I'm available for an interview too! (my public broadcasting (ABC) background showing through

RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list

2004-03-09 Thread Peter Firminger
> I might just point out some of the other WSG bits & pieces > that many people > probably aren't aware of: > - the resources section > (which I > believe everyone on the list is able to add to) > - the WSG CMS list (buggered if I can remember how you jo

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-07 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Jaime, A tag is read only when JavaScript isn't present (except in Netscape 4 as I recall but may have been Netscape 3 which shows both the script and the noscript content and this was when it WAS the dominant browser! Someone may like to check that but I can't be bothered as I never use it an

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Jaime, Yes it's very important. Many differently-abled people don't use a mouse. They use the keyboard to navigate around a page/site (generally much faster and more efficiently than any mouse user). By using onclick or onmousedown etc. you may be blocking their access to whatever the resource

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Martin, I'm not familiar with this at all. How much of this example would be auto-generated? One would assume that a lot of it could be fixed by putting things in the right place (scripts in the head section and adding a doctype). http://www.add2web.dk/aspdatagrid/Sample/default.asp P *

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Mike, Bobby is an accessibility checker with a huge chip on it's shoulder. http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp In my opinion it supposes too much and is basically a self righteous piece of rubbish. Take www.gt.nsw.gov.au for example. http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServ

RE: [WSG] A few questions needing answers

2004-03-05 Thread Peter Firminger
And I'll add a bit: > > Forms on Websites > > Is there a good place that explains/makes available the coding > > involved for putting simple forms on sites? My programming > knowledge > > doesn't go beyond css, xhtml and using JavaScript nuggets, but I've > > always wanted to be able to put contac

RE: [WSG] Email Standards?

2004-03-05 Thread Peter Firminger
> > Hyperlinking URIs and email addresses in plain text emails is > handled by the > client (e.g. Outlook) so there is no need. > Let me add to that. With a URI , starting with http:// or www. should kick in a link. For a site like webstandardsgroup.org (which doesn't ever use www.) you would need

RE: [WSG] Email Standards?

2004-03-05 Thread Peter Firminger
Hyperlinking URIs and email addresses in plain text emails is handled by the client (e.g. Outlook) so there is no need. HTML or Rich text email is a real problem. If you get a digest version of most lists you get the raw code in the digest version as it is mixed format and text takes precedence (m

RE: [WSG] Email Standards?

2004-03-04 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Lorenzo, Firstly thanks for joining! You wrapped up one of the two continents we were missing in our members. Only Antarctica to go now (I think?). You could try looking at the document on http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource135.cfm Regards, Peter PS: While I'm at it a quick member coun

RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...

2004-03-04 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Mike, Just a few things that need clearing up... > Why not just relax a little and do a table for the part > that's giving you > all the heartburn, and move on the rest of the site as > compliant. The html > wont validate, but will that really matter that much? > That way you're still gettin

[WSG] XHTML Basic 1.0

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Firminger
ï In looking for some other stuff on W3, I stumbled across this page http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/   The DTD is  "-//W3C//DTD XHTML Basic 1.0//EN"   Anyone had anything to do with this? I hadn't heard of it at all (maybe I'm ignorant and should spend more time trawling the W3 site).   P

RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Firminger
> PS. Not all search engines read nor care about meta keywords In fact, we believe that only one (not too significant) SE looks at them at all and they would be far down the decision list there anyway as they are perfect spambait for spamming the engines with incorrect metadata. There is some st

RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Firminger
Good question Peter! Absolutely. The metadata is about the page not the site and should be unique (at least the title and description) for every page. Depends on how much metadata you use. This leads to a really deep discussion about metadata that we may have at some point, but in the mean time y

RE: [WSG] IE6 and 3 pixel out --- WARNING

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Firminger
Windows users with low security setting should be aware that the page below has links to load some stuff you really don't want to know about.   Be aware... Hopefully this was out of Paul's hands and can be fixed immediately. Paul?   Peter From: Paul Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-24 Thread Peter Firminger
Jaime, this is not a CSS list so no apology required. You are definitely on-topic. Unless you want to tell your client to "go all the way" I suggest you tell them that they are clutching for buzzwords by demanding XHTML 1.0 Strict (or anything beyond XHTML 1.0 Transitional). If they continue to de

RE: [WSG] Debrief and thanks to Russ & Peter

2004-02-23 Thread Peter Firminger
ering purposes) and we look forward to meeting you there. All are welcome. See http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event7.cfm for details. Have a great conference everyone! Regards, Peter Firminger * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

RE: [WSG] IE bug

2004-02-20 Thread Peter Firminger
So move your form out to surround an area that isn't pixel-perfect critical.. the whole page if necessary..   P From: Chris Stratford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 2:36 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] IE bug Is that why when you close

RE: [WSG] WSG Member Countries

2004-02-19 Thread Peter Firminger
My apologies, We have a mix of spellings and Brazil was the more popular of the two. I'll take note to refer to Brasil in the future. > All of you also could write Brasil with "S". ;) P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

[WSG] WSG Member Countries

2004-02-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Just thought you all may be interested in the WSG user base. 136 Australia 2 Austria 6 Belgium 8 Brazil 8 Canada 2 Denmark 1 Finland 1 France 8 Germany 1 Iceland 3 India 1 Indonesia 1 Iraq 4 Italy 1 Jordan 4 New Zealand 1 Norway 1 Peru 2 Philippines 1 Portugal

RE: [WSG] Opera

2004-02-18 Thread Peter Firminger
I keep biting my tongue on this subject. Let me state first... I have no particular love of IE. It's what the vast majority of my audience uses and therefore it's my default browser. If Mozilla or something else takes the market share, I'll change my default (as I did when Netscape 4.x lost domina

RE: [WSG] WHYYY??? WHYYYY???

2004-02-16 Thread Peter Firminger
Hmmm, a) it doesn't validate... Should really be fixed before posting unless validation is the question. b) Box model hack? There are ways around this. I strongly suggest you lose this and structure the page so that is doesn't require it. c) Why the ? I think would work much better and save s

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