RE: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-19 Thread Philip Kiff
Bob Schwartz wrote: The test site at http://www.fotografics.it/fife/ has been refurbished [...] I would appreciate it if you guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices It looks like the site may have problems displaying at widths of less than 1000px in Opera 9 and Firefox. The

RE: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?

2007-03-29 Thread Philip Kiff
Jeremy Boggs wrote: Are there any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling poetry? I don't know of a set of guidelines for simple markup of poetry in X/HTML, but you can find some discussions about it as well as some more involved methods of marking up such texts

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread Philip Kiff
Thierry Koblentz wrote: The script can do much more than just adding the event. It can add a title attribute, plug an icon or even add some text within the anchor tags. That way the info about the behavior is plugged only if the behavior is available. Frank Palinkas wrote: You can find more

RE: [WSG] Converting font size from pt to % or em

2007-05-25 Thread Philip Kiff
Felix Miata wrote: What matters is: [...] 5-that any deviation a designer makes from 100% is arbitrary, as it's made from an entirely unknown starting point 100% of the visitor's choice equals respect for the visitor. I'm not really convinced that this is an issue of respect for the users

RE: [WSG] Converting font size from pt to % or em

2007-05-28 Thread Philip Kiff
Felix Miata wrote: Your mission, should you choose to embrace it, is to convince the client that maintaining an anachronistic practice is the wrong thing to do, and that doing the right thing is always the right thing to do. Maybe this will help whenever that discussion ensues.

RE: [WSG] Converting font size from pt to % or em

2007-05-28 Thread Philip Kiff
Felix Miata wrote: On 2007/05/25 17:47 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: What matters is: [...] 5-that any deviation a designer makes from 100% is arbitrary, as it's made from an entirely unknown starting point 100% of the visitor's choice equals respect

RE: [WSG] Converting font size from pt to % or em

2007-05-28 Thread Philip Kiff
I spent some time carousing through various sites and email lists and ended up trying to pull together some of the disparate techniques, arguments, and references about page font sizing into a single document. Because this message grew to an unwieldy size, I've divided it up into 5 sections: 1.

RE: [WSG] Converting font size from pt to % or em

2007-05-28 Thread Philip Kiff
Felix Miata wrote: BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/d/ body {font-size: 62.5%} http://www.bbc.co.uk/ was recently overhauled. It used to be 13px. Here's a look at before: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/bbcSS.html Ooops. My mistake, your screenshots are right. The BBC news site uses the same

RE: [WSG] Converting font size from pt to % or em

2007-05-28 Thread Philip Kiff
Felix Miata wrote: On 2007/05/28 02:43 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed: 1. Use Percentage on body font-size, then apply ems on the rest Owen Briggs The Noodle Incident - Sane CSS Sizes http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/typography/ This is the method of undersizing

RE: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

2007-06-04 Thread Philip Kiff
Felix Miata wrote on EDT: On 2007/06/02 11:06 (GMT+0100) Designer apparently typed: Sparked partly by the recent discussions on elasticity, I've been attempting to put together a 'template', based on em's and with a max-width. [] You can see it at:

RE: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

2007-06-04 Thread Philip Kiff
Designer wrote: Sparked partly by the recent discussions on elasticity, I've been attempting to put together a 'template', based on em's and with a max-width. I've used an expression for max-width in IE 7 (pinched from Georg!). I've tested it in FF1.5, IE6 IE7, Opera 9, and Netscape 4.02.

RE: [WSG] What does Semantic mean?

2007-06-06 Thread Philip Kiff
Lucien Stals wrote: It seems to me that many people here have different ideas about what semantic means. It would be helpful it we shared a common understanding in our conversations. I welcome, and invite, a *polite and professional* debate about the use of the term semantic as it relates to

RE: [WSG] Safari now on Windows

2007-06-11 Thread Philip Kiff
Michael MD wrote: Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think

RE: [WSG] Back to the Future

2007-06-12 Thread Philip Kiff
Chris Taylor wrote: [] My initial tests show that NN4.03 handles some CSS (float, background, border, font etc) but not some important things (list-style, margin and padding on lists). Is there a source for information about CSS support on old browsers? Nick Roper wrote: Info on CSS

RE: [WSG] Accessible Drop Down

2007-06-12 Thread Philip Kiff
Ryan Moore wrote: I see that it relies on a source of JS to complete the effect, and i'm wondering if it's possible to complete this purely with XHTML CSS. Anyone have a good example of this? Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) wrote: Just do not do it. It cannot be done. a. JS is the best tool for

RE: [WSG] intuitive text resizer for accessibility toolbar

2007-06-21 Thread Philip Kiff
Benedict Wyss wrote: My idea is to have a basic font size to allow a reasonable amount of content with less scrolling and then in an accessibility toolbar give the visitor the oportunity to increase the font size in the main content area. This to me seems like a decent compromise. I am open to

RE: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus

2007-06-21 Thread Philip Kiff
Mary-Anne.Nayler wrote: I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. There was a discussion about this *exact*

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Philip Kiff
Joyce Evans wrote: I always thought it was a good idea to open links to other websites in a separate window, so you don't lose the visitor. [...] I think that the weight of public opinion has been steadily turning against this view over the past 10 years or so. I would be interested in knowing

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Philip Kiff
Hassan Schroeder wrote: I've done usability tests where users *preferred* off-site links to open in another window. I find that surprising. I am sure you are right, however, that it is all about context. Certainly if you sat down in a room full of 20- to 25-year-olds today you would not find

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-20 Thread Philip Kiff
Designer wrote: Can we just step back a moment, and consider what we are doing. As I write this reply, I am typing the content of this mail IN A NEW WINDOW.[] Do those who proclaim annoyance at having 'new windows forced on them' apply the same thinking to mail, Dreamweaver (and all the

RE: [WSG] Absolute positioning in the flow of the document?

2007-08-02 Thread Philip Kiff
Paul Collins wrote: I've spent a while trying to figure this out and I'm not sure there is a solution. I've got two levels of navigation here; visually one sits on top of the other, but the second level will change according to what top level link you click:

RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet updated for MSIE

2007-08-11 Thread Philip Kiff
Philip Kiff wrote Tested this link: http://keryx.se/[...].html Ooops. That isn't the link I tested. I tested the xhtml one that is supposed to get rewritten in the htaccess rules: http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.xhtml Phil

RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet updated for MSIE

2007-08-11 Thread Philip Kiff
Keryx Web wrote: This is the set of rules in my .htaccess that I think should do the trick: [snip] It works with FFox, Opera 9.2, Safari for Windows (complained at first about too many redirects for no apparent reason) and MSIE 6. Tested this link:

RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet updated for MSIE

2007-08-12 Thread Philip Kiff
Philip Kiff wrote: Tested this link: http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.xhtml [corrected] This link does not seem to work in MSIE 7, 6, or 5.55 on my test machines. Works now as designed on all MSIE browsers listed above - it serves HTML 4.01 Strict version, with a note added about my

RE: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?

2007-08-14 Thread Philip Kiff
James Jeffery wrote: It is possible to get good Accessibility, Usability and Design, but usually you have to give and take for each or one of them. [] Its not our fault or the clients fault, whatever the client wants he gets [...] The client is the hard part. Sometimes they want

RE: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?

2007-08-14 Thread Philip Kiff
Philip Kiff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have enough time to browse the WSG Mailing List [] then you are probably already at risk of having the prices for your web design services severely undercut by someone who is younger and faster, and who places less importance

RE: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Philip Kiff
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: The real reason for me to not use 'CC' for separation, is that the versioning goes on on HTML level and adds unnecessary garbage to every single page. If you happen to be designing an XHTML site and decide you want to use server-side scripting to deliver your pages as