Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

ooops. Reference: http://usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm#conclusion > > "t appears that when visiting a web page, most, if not all, screen reader > users expect at least the main site navigation to be presented before the > content of the page. There appears to be little evidence to

Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

An interesting discussion... Back in 2006, Roger Hudson, Lisa Miller and I conducted testing on three aspects associated with screen reader use (skip links, source order and structural lables). The findings regarding source order: "t appears that when visiting a web page, most, if not all, scr

Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the "Skip to" function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

In order to comply with Success Criterion 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks – you must provide a mechanism to “bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple Web pages. (Level A)" One of the “sufficient techniques” recommended by the W3C for bypassing blocks is the use of skip links.

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

> Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 > HTML5 has also broadened out the use of the DL: "The dl element now represents an association list of name-value groups, and is no longer

Re: [WSG] Related content labelling and styling?

On 17/05/2012, at 4:23 AM, Rick Hill wrote: > The ideal would be to position the related content at the bottom of the > associate main content and then position it at the top right of the main > content. So visually it would look the same but the HTML reading order and > header nesting would b

Re: [WSG] Keyboard Tabbing no longer working in FF v11/Mac

user deleted. Ignore. New WSG system coming soon! On 04/04/2012, at 7:09 PM, sale.jordantradezone wrote: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscr

Re: [WSG] Keyboard Tabbing no longer working in FF v11/Mac

> > I wonder what might gone wrong with my FF, it focuses on input fields.: > address url, google seach and the one in the page. I say you nuke your FF from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. *** List Guidelines: http://webstanda

Re: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

> On 4/1/2012 3:05 PM, Russ Weakley wrote: >> It's April 1st here in Australia :) >> >> > Yes, I am well aware of that. > Did not put two and two together. > :p > Apologies all who may have been confused! The MoreCSS framework is an April Fools Day gift t

Re: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

ing stuff you end up with > clashes in your CSS and that can make things harder when re-designing. > > On 4/1/2012 1:27 PM, Russ Weakley wrote: >> You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... >> but is this the best CSS framework ever? &g

[WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... but is this the best CSS framework ever? http://morecss.org/ :) Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://w

Re: [WSG] WSG - Time for a re-think on WSG.

OK, we hear you all loud and clear and totally agree with all that has been said (and asked privately by others before). The fault is, of course, mine... putting off solving the WSG mail list issues... So here is a call out. We are thinking of moving the entire system over to mailman. We want

Re: [WSG] Style Sheet Query

Marvin, Could you paste any relevant CSS snippets into an email and post to the list as this may help us determine what you are currently doing and what you may want to do to solve the problem. Or, point us to a sample page where the problem exists... Thanks Russ On 15/03/2012, at 4:47 PM, M

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

> The list title > > ... > > That way the semantic connection between the list and the heading is kept > which I think is the purpose of what you're wanting, yes? > Cheers, > S > I hate to nit-pick, but I'd argue that the aria-labelledby does not really change the semantics of an element. Th

Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?

It might be better to take that sort of discussion off-list. (so the list is freed up for all of those important "out of office" emails) Thanks Russ List admin On 24/02/2012, at 3:07 AM, James O'Neill wrote: > Would you mind recapping the differences and providing some links for me if > you ha

Re: [WSG] PHP Help Again

Ok, as many have suggested, these discussions are definitely off topic. Marvin, please confine posts to web standards related topics Everyone else, if replying, do it offlist. Apologies all for the recent lack of list management! Thanks Russ On 17/12/2011, at 6:50 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Re: [WSG] Farewell (was : Out of Office)

Yes... the topics have gradually been getting more off topic. We will step in more quickly in future. Apologies all! Thanks russ On 16/12/2011, at 11:04 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > 'tis the season for folks on mailing lists to clutter everybody's inbox with > discussions over "out of office

Re: [WSG] Content div sticking out the side of container div

> Somehow I do not seem to have come across this problem before. I have two > divs, one contained within the other. If the viewport of the browser is > resized to be smaller than the contents of the inner div, the inner div > sticks out the side of the outer container div, which continues to res

Re: [WSG] Breaks within table cells

> Why not use a list within the table as it is a list of items. > There you go! Option 3 :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help:

Re: [WSG] Breaks within table cells

Option 1: Try making the two chunks of content into two individual paragraphs within the one cell. It is not the most ideal semantics, though it could be argued that they are two short paragraphs :) Depending on how the margins have been defined for your paragraphs, this should give you 1em o

Re: [WSG] Wrapping text before float drop

> > Think of how two columns work in a table, when they have no specified width. > They adjust to the size of the content and the available width, and wrap > their content if the available width is reduced. > > This should be easy in CSS, no? The simple answer is that floats are not ideal in

Re: [WSG] Correct behaviour of fieldset?

Hey Stevio, There could be a range of reasons for the select element issue, so the only answer would be "it depends". In your case, the issue MAY be related to font-size. Browsers may render the font-size of the element slightly differently. This could mean that the em unit applied to the el

Re: [WSG] Table borders

> Sorry to rain on the Russ parade, but your example is missing some critical > elements: scope. > > The th cells define the cell as a header, but we need to say what it is > heading. > > However I think this would also help to use headers, which lets us define at > the td level which th cells ar

Re: [WSG] Table borders

Hey Grant, Try something like the code below: 1. The table markup is more accessible - elements are very important for screen readers 2. There are no presentational attributes (every time we include presentational attributes, a fairy dies!) Grant Bailey .Table_Te

Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?

> Hello All - > > I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 > using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. > > This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient > but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these > three br

Re: [WSG] Re: Disabled man got 6 years for "sextortion"

Agree. While horrible, the topic is not related to web design, development or web standards. THREAD CLOSED Thanks Russ On 03/09/2011, at 12:04 PM, Tom Ditmars wrote: > On 2011-09-02 20:38, Jay Tanna wrote: >> A Southern California disabled man was sentenced Thursday to six >> years in priso

Re: [WSG] major web site project

> I suggest we spam this person 100 times each until he figures how to die > without bothering us! > > On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:30 PM, garment4u...@gmail.com wrote: > >> go die >> >> 2011/8/11 garment4u...@gmail.com >> Please !! >> WSG !! >> NEVER AGAIN ! OK everyone, calm down. The offending

Re: [WSG] border doesn't work when -ms-filter (gradient) is used

Hi Tee, Unfortunately, this is a known issue. Basically, this MS gradient filters will "drown out" or over-ride borders. You can see this more dramatically if you apply an MS gradient filter to a box that also has a border-radius defined. The MS gradient filter will render a gradient backgrou

Re: [WSG] Google Les Paul tribute

> HTML, CSS and JavaScript of course. Remarkably detailed and insightful help there! ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: me

Re: [WSG] Accessible Modal/Lightbox Code

Please ignore. The user has been deleted form the system. As you were... Thanks Russ On 22/05/2011, at 8:24 PM, Richard Collmann wrote: > Just how did this get in? And twice? > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/m

Re: [WSG] Looking for Melbourne based web developers

Ok. Any replies need to be offlist directly to to original poster please! Thanks Russ On 11/05/2011, at 12:54 PM, huyen tran wrote: > Dear Stefan ! > I'm can work SEO very good with cheapest prices.i ' have all severs. Can I > help you? please contact with me This is mail of me huyentran1...@

Re: [WSG] Mobile detection using CSS media queries

Hey Caleb, This is probably one of those "case by case" decisions. For some small sites, simple media queries may be fine. However, if you have a large site, or high levels of mobile traffic, you may want to consider more robust alternatives - such as device detection etc. This article is a li

Re: [WSG] What kind of unit is _qem ?

This question has come up on CSS discuss in the past. http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/104705 One answer: "I believe qem stands for "quirky em" and is a proprietary Webkit syntax used to refer to a margin which can be collapsed when the page is in quirks mode." How weird is tha

Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

> > I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with > the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: > > There is also this site which takes issue with W3schools: http://w3fools.com/ Personally, I think the approach t

Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

ding your own website the right way using HTML and CSS By Ian Lloyd One to avoid, as I have heard the author was on crack while writing it: CSS in Ten minutes by Russ Weakley :) On 06/04/2011, at 8:56 AM, Andrew Staff wrote: > Hello all, > > I was wondering if anyone on this distributi

Re: [WSG] possible to make DT and DD behave like TH and TD column visually?

0; margin: 0; border-top: 1px solid #ddd; } 3. Both items are floated left. Setting a clear: right will not help or have any affect here. Clear: right will clear any right floated item above. Thanks Russ ---------- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 94

Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu Bar Help Needed

Our good friend Xiong is no longer with us (on the mailing list at least) As you were... Russ On 30/03/2011, at 3:47 AM, huangmei mei wrote: > hello , my good friend , our is china wholesale brand shoes . pls chack our > site in fo : www.west-trading.com > > thanks > xiong > > > **

Re: [SPAM] [WSG] html5 and iframes?

Agree... but support is sadly poor for the "seamless" attribute. Here is a quick article on "seamless": iframe scrollbars and borders in HTML5 – working with “seamless” http://www.maxdesign.com.au/2011/03/10/iframe-scrollbars-and-html5/ Thanks Russ On 10/03/2011, at 2:47 AM, Jon Reece wrote:

Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

re it is. Though others may disagree! Thanks Russ - Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Skype: russ-maxdesign MSN: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Twitter: http://twitte

Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

Hi Neeraj, Some questions: 1. are you also aiming to make the PDF's accessible? (i.e. tagged PDFs) 2. why PDF to Word? I have found there is little benefit in this type of conversion. I just checked with a blind user now - asking "is there any advantage in Word over PDF"? His answer: "If th

Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems

Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files Thanks Russ On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin wrote: > Hi there, > > I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the same > in Safari and firefox. > Let me explain to you: The padding-botto

Re: [WSG] Flight Centre looking for talented front end developers to start immediately

Hi all, 1. Please reply off list. 2. Jobs should not be posted to the WSG list. Instead, please send all jobs directly to memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org - they will rhen be sent out with each weeks links for light reading Thanks Russ On 23/12/2010, at 10:54 AM, Ryan Blunden wrote: > Hi ev

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

Why go that far? Why not let this browser see the CSS and fail gracefully - or semi-gracefully as needed (as long as the content and navigation are accessible so that the site can be navigated and read). On 18/12/2010, at 10:20 PM, tee wrote: > I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 star

Re: [WSG] Freelance Designer Needed

Hi all, This list is not about jobs or freelance connections. please do all further communications off list! Thanks Russ On 02/12/2010, at 2:59 PM, Daniel Anderson wrote: > G'day, not sure if I am allowed to ask this on this list or not, but I am > struggling finding someone. > > I am in ne

Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

> Not quite: > > http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2010/02/10/5a-missing-schema-double-download/ Yikes! It all seemed so easy... suspiciously easy! :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

> stop sending me emails We've stopped sending this person emails. no need to comment on this. :) Continue with this great thread! Thanks Russ BTW, every WSG email that goes out has an unsubscribe link at the bottom. Better to click that that tell 7,000 people you don't want any emails :)

Re: [WSG] Flight Centre looking for web developers - THREAD CLOSED

ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Hi all, 1. Job ads are not allowed on the mail list (under "The mail list does not cover"): http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm 2. If anyone has job ads they wish to promote, please email me off- list. I'm happy to add any job to "links for light reading", w

Re: [WSG] Yes or No? HTML5 FOR WEB DESIGNERS

now with added longdesc.. ;) On 18/08/2010, at 1:25 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote: good places to start with HTML5 are: HTML: The Markup Language http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/ HTML5 (Edition for Web Authors) http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/ regards stevef **

Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like? Imho, it goes against the separation of structure and presentation (plus it messes up with the cascade), but I can understand why they are doing this. Since most people strongly believe that CSS validation is a must, th

Re: [ADMIN} spam alert - Thread Closed Re: [WSG] RE:

What part of "thread closed" do people not understand? Lea, I say we take off and nuke the entire list from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubs

Re: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet

wow - three answers for the price of one :) On 06/08/2010, at 3:45 AM, David Storey wrote: No. the @media all will apply (well if there were any valid rules in the block). If the specificity is the same (as is the case in this example) and the query conditions both apply then source orde

Re: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet

l win. Thanks Russ ---------- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Skype: russ-maxdesign MSN: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/russmaxdesign Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/russweak

Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

I've just resolved the problem. No more discussion on this :) Changing mail lists VERY soon Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cf

Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

It's still a bit hard to tell without seeing an example. Can you send a link to a cut down version of what the problem is? Thanks Russ On 21/07/2010, at 3:31 PM, Jayachandran Kandasamy wrote: Hi Russ, I tried these CSS 3 properties and tested in the IE7 and Mozilla FF 3.6.6 browser, they

Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

Hi JC, This is a question where a example would help. It all depends on: 1. the element in question (the TD element operates differently to DIV element in many cases) 2. whether sizing has been applied to the element 3. whether positioning had been applied to the element 4. which browser you

Re: [WSG] [Job] Senior Freelance Web Designer | Melbourne

I take my eye off the list for two days THREAD CLOSED The guidelines clearly state that no job postings are allowed to the list - specifically for this reason. If you want to push a job to all members, send to me and I can send out with our weekly email. Thanks russ **

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction - THREAD CLOSED

ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED This thread is closed. Please move along. Nothing to see... Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm He

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

A good point. I have started tracking IE6 users down on an individual basis, going to their houses and doing a "forced upgrade". It is labour intensive, but it gets results! ;) Russ IE swat team On 14/06/2010, at 11:31 PM, Edward Lynn wrote: Hi everyone, For me the IE6 issue is to a degr

Re: [WSG] HTML5:

of course - HTML5 is perfectly acceptable here - or anywhere... (except maybe in the shower...) Thanks Russ On 17/05/2010, at 9:52 PM, designer wrote: Will html5 not be the 'new standard'? If so, isn't this the place (or one of them) to discuss such things? Or will that just get too co

Re: [WSG] blockquote

e that this is not a recommended practice. These fail validation for a reason :) HTH Russ ---------- Russ Weakley Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/russmaxdesign Linkedin: http://www.linkedi

Re: [WSG] Difference between applied CSS and Computed CSS

Hi Rateb BEN MOUSSA I am not seeing any difference in font size between the sites on either Mac/FF3.5.7 or Mac/Chrome 5.0.307.9 beta. Looking in Firebug, I see the body has been set in two places with a font-size of 12px. template.css (line 3) body { color:#00; font-family:Arial,Helve

Re: [WSG] @media

Hi Tom, Sorry, I should have provided examples in my last email. 1. Below is a normal CSS rule (like the first rule in the 456bereastreet article) - which does not need a media type to be defined: body { background: #fff; } 2. Below is an @media rule, which DOES need a media defined (note

Re: [WSG] @media

1. Is there a list showing browser support for @media? Try the ever-helpful Site Point. The chart shows generally good support (with some caveats): The chart mentions IE and Firefox are buggy - but be aware that they are buggy in the opposite w

Re: [WSG] the mysteries of overflow: hidden - ADMIN

My apologies all. This charming individual has been removed from the list. No need to comment on this and add unwanted noise to the list... As you were. Thanks russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidel

Re: [WSG] Data URI encoder

Looks interesting, Mike :) For those unfamiliar with Data URI's, it may also be worth taking a look at this in depth article: Also "Using Data URIs in CSS": Thanks Russ Hi a

[WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aw

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

This discussion has been at times interesting (where there was healthy exchange of info) and worrying (when personal criticisms were used instead of calm discussions). However, it looks like this thread has reached a point where we not gaining anything - just expressing disagreement. So,

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! - ADMIN

ADMIN This discussion is quickly deteriorating into name calling, finger pointing, etc. Please return to the discussion, and be respectful of each other - regardless of your differences of opinion. Thanks Russ *** List Gui

Re: [WSG] vallidation problems

Marvin, In this case I would suggest direct mentoring by a WSG member. Someone who can take your pages, validate then and show you each isse and how it was fixed. It is often very hard to address all of these issues on the list itself, and pushing too many questions out at a time tends to

[WSG] Regarding the loss of a web accessibility leader

Hi all, Mike Cherim let me know earlier than Jack Pickard, web accessibility leader and Team Access member passed away very recently, succumbing to a heart attack (at a young age, leaving behind a young family). He will be sadly missed by the accessibility community. Mike also passed on

Re: [WSG] text-shadow: no-shadow ?

Tee, First of all, the spec you link to is a little out of date (2003). This page defines the current work on CSS: The most relevant spec on "CSS3 Text" according the the "current work" list is: Th

Re: [WSG] internet explorer font names

Hi Marvin, I've placed two valid examples online for you to check (will stay online for next 10 days or so only): HTML: CSS: Can you test these valid files and see if IE8 lets you hear/see the headings that

Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for - THREAD CLOSED

OK, everyone... thanks for al the comments but enough. Please lets get back to discussing web standards, web development design etc. Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (22/12/09)

Hi Rimantas Why did I post this link? Because the article has an interesting take on HTML5. This does mean that I agree or disagree with the article. I hoped that the article would lead to discussion and debate. I had also hoped that any discussion or debate would be conducted in a respec

Re: [WSG] Google Wave webstandardsgroup? ADMIN

ADMIN - No more WAVE giveaways people! Please do not write to the list offering invites Please do not write to the list asking for invites Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscr

Re: [WSG] 8 invites for Google Wave

ADMIN Google Wave invites are totally off topic - though its great to see people sharing. Can we do the following: 1. if you have WAVE invites, feel free to post to the list - just for today only! 2. anyone asking for WAVE invites to respond directly to the invitee OFF LIST! Thanks Russ

Re: [WSG] .box breaks up on feedback page.

Hi Katherine, This is a case of the specificity, or the weight of one selector winning over another selector. You initially apply a rule using this selector: #navigation ul a { } You then apply a new rule for the :hover pseudo-class, using this selector: #navigation a:hover { } The third

Re: [WSG] Accessible Image Map Editors

Hey Marvin, Assuming that an image map must be used, then always include meaningful alt attribute content (or alt-text) for every of the . The alt-text should clearly explain the purpose of the relevant . Good luck, Russ hi. is image map accessible with jaws? i need to create a image

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? - ADMIN

ADMIN Hi all, The conversation has been great, but we are now heading into heated discussion and direct attacks - which is unacceptable. Please remain civil and receptive or the thread will be closed. Thanks Russ (civility police) ***

Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value

Mike, Sorry, but your statement is incorrect. The "start" attribute is allowed in HTML 4.01 Transitional and XHTML 1.0 Transitional The "start" attribute is NOT allowed in HTML 4.01 Strict and XHTML 1.0 Strict Thanks Russ On 28/09/2009, at 11:23 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: The correct way t

Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts

cond that. On the other hand, after looking at a few of the links the first few times I received those messages, I now delete them unseen. > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: > > > Hi there > > > > I?d just like to send a big thank you t

Re: [WSG] Darius Design

He's gone. Apologies for the slowness people. Thanks Russ On 12/09/2009, at 3:14 AM, designer wrote: I thought that folk who sent autoreplies were automatically unsubscribed? This is the third from Darius Design in as many days, and I'm getting rather fed up with it. I doubt that I'm alone

Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest

Enough please! Thanks Russ On 04/08/2009, at 7:11 AM, Patrício dos Santos wrote: LET'S DO From: inspiron.patters...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:24:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Oh, that is a good point! Let's do!!! -- Brett P. On Mon,

Re: [WSG] working with line-height

Hey Ben, That additional space you see above the letters is set aside for diacritical marks (umlaut etc). If you replace the content within the 23 pixel paragraph with the content below, you should see that all the special character marks sit above the letters and fill this empty space.

Re: [WSG] Collapsing margins and relative positioning

Hey Grant, Ok, this is a hard one to explain simply, but here goes: Your "position: relative" container is being affected by margin "escaping" (top margins escape out of the parent container), while your "position: absolute" container is not being affected. Here is a more detailed explanat

Re: [WSG] Expand width of container to fit content's width?

Is it possible to expand a container's width to fit its content? For example, if I have a page where the content is wider than the width available at the browser's current size, which means the horizontal scrollbar appear, I want the container to expand to fit the width of the content inste

Re: [WSG] OT: Dominos Pizza -THREAD CLOSED

THREAD CLOSED. WAAAY OFF TOPIC Thanks Russ On 16/06/2009, at 7:43 PM, Chris Dimmock wrote: I think the answer is... Yes, technically, there probably is more fibre & nutrition in the cardboard box :) Sent from my iPhone On 16/06/2009, at 10:51 AM, "Mike Kear" wrote: This is off-t

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote: Now it is h#{ left: -px; } that had issues with screen readers. Interesting. Not in my experience. What screen readers and versions are you talking about? Do you have a test case that demonstrates the problem? I'd agree with Benjamin. Roger Hudson

Re: [WSG] add to favorites? ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

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Re: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?) - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] add to favorites? - ADMIN - KEEP IT POLITE PLEASE

ADMIN This thread has deteriorated into slanging match. Any more and the thread will be closed. Keep the conversation constructive, helpful, considerate... Like a giant virtual "group hug" :0 Thanks Russ List admin and group hug evangelist ***

Re: [WSG] Hotlinking prevention does not work - ADMIN

>> This is not the place to discuss such problems. >> This mailing list is to be used for discussions >> based around Web Standards. > > I don't disagree, but darn, web standards related or not I was curious to > see the responses. :( ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED All responses can go off list to the or

Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED! Enough! This discussion has gone on far too long. Please get back to discussing relevant topics! As the guidelines state: "Do not post problems or complaints to the list. Instead, email Peter and Russ off-list (memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org)" Thanks Russ ***

Re: [WSG] macpro and softwares..

Hi Naveen, Here are some resources to try... Testing Try Parallels (though there are others out there apparently equal or better?). This allows you to install multiple versions of Windows ­ which means you can test IE6/7/8 in different versions. http://www.parallels.com/

Re: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

Hey Brett, There are many ways to do what you need - so you may not need to use a multiple class selector at all. OPTION 1 -- Using the html example you sent in a previous email, you could target instances of content using descendant selectors based on the parent classes alone - w

[WSG] Sydney meeting tonight

Tonight 44 people attended our Sydney WSG meeting - a huge night (where lots of beer was consumed). A big thank you to Peter Ottery, who did a fantastic presentation on the Sydney Morning Herald site and its conversion to full CSS. We will get the presentation up on the WSG site as soon as possib

[WSG] Ten questions for Dan Cederholm

Dan Cederholm is the author of Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook as well as many articles on standards-based design for publications such as A List Apart . Dan also runs the popular weblog SimpleBits , where he writes articles and commentary on the web, technology and life. Re

Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

This is a perfect example of tabular data - it is semantically correct inside a table. Instead of thinking of ways to convert it into divs, you should be working on implementing accessibility features: id, headers for, summary, caption, etc. A rough example if id's and headers in action is here: h

Re: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment - OT

Apologies to all - I seem to have done some thread hijacking of my own! That off-topic post was made in a flippant mood on Saturday night. The site in question was taken down a year or two ago, so the games cannot be seen. However, the front page is still available on the wayback machine (may offe

Re: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment

I think can beat that! I played around with flash and and then Peter and I were threatened with defamation in the Supreme Court of Queensland: http://news.awn.com/index.php?newsitem_no=4149 But that was before we became responsible listparents :) Russ > I played around with flash - in a wk i

Re: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto... MOVED TO DISCUSSION ROOM

Ok, this thread is way off topic now. As it seems of-interest to a section of members, rather than close it we have moved it to the discussion room: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/17.htm Any further discussion on this thread can take place in there but NOT on list. Thanks Russ

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