Re: [WSG] Accessible Slideshow
On 12/6/11 12:44 PM, Ted Drake wrote: trimmed These are just some of the features I would look for in an accessible slideshow. -- Ted Drake Does such a slideshow exist; and, if so, can you please point to one that uses those features... and, includes any other features that are important to an accessible slideshow? ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
Comments and suggestions welcome. This end OS X 10.4: Parallels IE 6/7/8 on IETester. Android/2.2.2 with Opera Mobile and OperaMini. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/z/z.php Best, Jimi Hendrix -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Using ellipsis to indicate truncated overflow content
On 11/15/11 12:49 AM, Grant Bailey wrote: Is anyone able to offer suggestions as to how demonstrate to the user that overflow content has been truncated, like this (see attachment). Grant Bailey I guess the question for me is whether I understand the question??? Set width in %, min-width in pixels, and max-width in em on the outermost page wrapper. Avoid use of position absolute and position fixed. Set the page blocks in percent. Set p with margin left/right in percent and margin top/bottom in em or pixels. That will give you desktop. high d pi laptop, and both tablets [ horiz 1024 and vertical 768]. For mobile handsets you need to add a device width meta-tag. Kick the first media query in at around 560 and then another at 480 -- this will give you vertical and horizontal iPhone as well as low through high end Android. If you need to hit IE/6 then it needs to be hacked for doubling the margins and doing weird stuff to the height such as with vertical lists. A rough layout using these principles: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/me.html Best, ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag
I did figure it after my post, from xcode's web inspector, a feature I never used before until today. Tee Care to share what you found out? Thanks. ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag
On 9/29/11 5:28 PM, tee wrote: Trying to figure all these another question has arisen. Take iPad for example which supports portrait and landscape, so if I have two separate images target for the two, doesn't it load two images? Say, I first view a page from landscape and this loads the image from it media query, then I switch to portrait, it loads the image from its media query, when it does, the one from landscape has already been loaded so it won't just magically gone when I am still at the portrait right? tee Keep it simple. Granted, this is far easier said than done, and god knows I am not good at it, either. But when push comes to shove, any site that requires anything beyond basic readability and functionality for its success [such as a decorative background image] -- regardless of whether it is viewed on desktop, laptop, tablet, or mobile -- is in deep trouble. Best, ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag
On 9/28/11 8:27 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: Maybe the third time's the charm -- Oh, easy for Leonardo! -- Dylan Thomas -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: WSG Digest
On 9/27/11 5:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote: Hi Tee When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used? ::trim:: all the best, Dave @davesmiths Try also, simply: metaname=viewport content=width=device-width ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag
On 9/27/11 10:29 PM, tee wrote: Hi Tom, Thank you. I don't know how to check it either, I have iPad and iPod, so would like to learn how to check too. tee Not terribly scientific but simply clear the cache on the iPad and the iPhone and view the page. You'll know whether it is loading in either or both devices. ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag
On 9/27/11 11:44 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: David, with nothing but mobile Safari, if I hit a page with multiple queries or an element specced as display:none but has a bg image, how to you *verify* that an unwanted image loads anyway or not? There's no inspector that I'm aware of like desktop version. Sent from my iPhone With Android/2.2.2 [low-end touch screen] there is a horizontal yellow loading bar above the address bar-- it begins at the left rail and moves to the right rail. Opera Mobile and OperaMini on Android both have a circular whirling gizzmo loading button [same on a low-end SanyoMirro]. I had an iPhone several years ago but have forgotten what it used to display downloading. I am sure there is a more scientific method than watching[timing] the loading gizzmo-- just don't know what it is. And either way, I did not memorize Tee's page address, and don't have time to look it up, or I'd check that page on my handset... ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] media queries: device-width vs max/min width
On 9/25/11 5:38 PM, tee wrote: I would love to hear what other think about the approach for device-width vs max/min width. tee The approach to responsive web design is not particularly difficult. Your castle in the air needs a simple and solid foundation. That's the key. The one-size fits all concept is an exercise in futility. What works for layout A will not necessarily work for layout B. And either way, putting up a page or test page will buy you a lot more than writing about it... Best, ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag
On 9/18/11 5:43 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:34 PM, teeweblis...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmmm, media queries can't understand body tag; a id or class for the tag is
needed. Spec on W3C site doesn't indicate though as I see example like so:
@media all { body { background:lime } }
A browser bug?
Works for me in Chrome:
http://pastehtml.com/view/b7qe04of6.html
Do you have a testcase you can point to that fails in a named browser?
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
No issue [the background is lime] in
http://pastehtml.com/view/b7qe04of6.html in Mac OS X 10.4.11:
Safari/4.1.3
Opera/11.11
FF/3.6.22
WebKit/4.1.3 (4533.19.4, r63031)
Camino/2.1b1 (1.9.2.20pre 20110725195938)
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Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?
On 8/23/11 3:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote: Mike Kear http://afpwebworks.com Setting the fonts at user default and ditching Verdana is the first place to start... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?
On 8/23/11 2:07 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, David Laakso wrote: On 8/23/11 3:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote: Mike Kear http://afpwebworks.com Setting the fonts at user default Absolutely! and ditching Verdana is the first place to start... Totally irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with Verdana; it is only very slightly larger than Helvetica or Arial. Problems only occur when its font size is reduced to compensate. It is relevant only if you are one of the few on the planet who are concerned with typography and see Verdana for what it is at default: pug-ugly. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?
On 8/23/11 7:32 PM, Tom Ditmars wrote:
On 2011-08-23 19:12, David Laakso wrote:
It is relevant only if you are one of the few on the planet who are
concerned with typography and see Verdana for what it is at default:
pug-ugly.
While that might be your opinion, it's not necessarily relevant to the
topic of this discussion: Usability and Web Standards.
Then this will do...
body { font-family: sans-serif; }
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Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?
On 8/23/11 10:32 PM, tee wrote:
Then this will do...
body { font-family: sans-serif; }
If you ever do this, I strongly suggest you test it on older Windows System.
tee
Each and everyone of you win. I give-up. I have taken a coil of rope to
the woods. Farewell.
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Re: [WSG] iOS Safaro issue (?): Fixed and Absolute position
On 8/10/11 10:30 PM, tee wrote: iOS Safari has rendering issue with fixed position, that is, the element will stay at the middle of the page when the hight of content is longer than the device height. Anyway to get around this? tee I think position:fixed works on iOS5... http://davidbcalhoun.com/2011/new-mobile-safari-stuff-in-ios5-position-fixed-overflow-scroll-new-input-type-support-web-workers-ecmascript-5 [1] http://www.lazycoder.com/weblog/2010/05/27/quick-jquery-hack-to-fix-positionfixed-toolbars-in-iphoneipadipod-touch/ [2} http://www.8164.org/designing-for-the-ipad/ Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] html5 quest: figure
On 7/18/11 7:47 PM, tee wrote: Or maybe the question should be , can a single figure contains many figcaption? And use it for slidershow's markup. Thanks! tee Not really sure whether this answers your question from an article in html5 doctor but either way you may want to check it for yourself [1]. The |figcaption| element is optional and can appear before /or/ after the content within the |figure. Only one |figcaption| element may be nested within a |figure, although the |figure element itself may contain multiple other child elements (e.g., |img| or |code|).||| [1] http://html5doctor.com/the-figure-figcaption-elements/ ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] OperaMini
What will stop this test-case [1] from jumping from default to a larger font-size in OperaMini in /landscape/ view (resumes default with reload)? It is fine in OperaMini portrait view. And on the same device there is no problem in portrait /or/ landscape view in Android/2.2.2 and Opera Mobile. [1] http://chelseacreekstudio.com/tc.html Thanks. ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] mobile
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[WSG] mobile
Greetings from San Juan, Puerto Rico. re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ Constructive comments are always welcome. Specifically we are interested to know if the images within the portfolio section fill the window horizontally in both portrait and landscape view in handsets smaller than 320 by 480. This end: mobile-- Samsung Galaxy Prevail for BoostMobile with Android/2.2.2. desktop--Mac 0S X 10.4.11. Thanks for your assistance. Best, Milagros Sanchez, Creative Director, Chelsea Creek Studio *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Site test?
On 5/21/11 5:22 PM, Telford Computer Doctor wrote: Just in the process of designing a website for a client, just wondering whether iPad, iPhone, mobile users could give me some feedback as to the jQuery used - whether it works basically. http://www.telfordcomputerdoctor.co.uk/lt Only the homepage is complete at the moment, as it is still in design stages. Thanks in advance, Mike @ Telford Computer Doctor Mobile: Samsung Galaxy Prevail [Android/2.2.2] for BoostMobile [low-end smart phone with touch screen]. The page is not mobile-friendly on this end. Full width header footer. Content two column. Content in left column and 3 column footer unreadable on landing portrait or landscape. +3 or +4 font-scaling necessary to make content readable but this draws a horizontal scroll bar. You may find this article by Bruce Lawson helpful in determining the mobile strategy you and your client wish to employ... http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/the-mobile-web-optimization-guide/ Desktop [if of concern]: Landing on primary content tiny-type at 116.5dpi on a MacBook Pro may be as difficult for some of your users as it is for me. Minimum font-size 16 set in the prefs in Mac Firefox/3.6.17 causes the contact info to break out the right-side of the outermost container. Minimum font-size 32 set in the prefs in Mac Opera/11.11 [same as above] and the 3col footer content breaks out the bottom of the outermost container. Best wishes and good luck, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Can I have a Safari check?
On 5/9/11 4:02 PM, tee wrote: http://208.43.169.106/m151/index.php/patterns.html Add the product to cart. What do you see after that? tee Mac OS X 10.4.11 Safari 4.1.3(4533.19.4) test was added to your shopping cart. http://208.43.169.106/m151/index.php/checkout/cart/ Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
On 5/6/11 11:42 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2011, David Laakso wrote: This end... Desktop: OS X 10.4 Tablet: No got. Mobile: OperaMini os SanyoMirro 4 BoostMobile. uri: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/m/ Text is cut off: http://t.cfaj.ca/mentor.jpg In what OS, in what browser, in what size window, at what plus font-scaling, or minimum font size? ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
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[WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
First-pass. Comments and suggestions appreciated. This end... Desktop: OS X 10.4 Tablet: No got. Mobile: OperaMini os SanyoMirro 4 BoostMobile. uri: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/m/ Thanks. Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Mobile detection using CSS media queries
On 5/3/11 3:16 AM, Caleb Wong wrote: Hi, Is it safe to use just css media to target mobile devices such as iphone, blackberry, android phones? And assume if I'm only embedding 1 stylesheet with various media queries in it, would there be any lag in the page style load? Has anyone got some good examples/articles for targeting mobile platforms? Cheers Caleb Generally, and for new small sites, that approach works well. But one size does not necessarily fit all... Depending on your particular situation and need this article on mobile optimization and strategy may be helpful. http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/the-mobile-web-optimization-guide/ Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] what could be the cause that Safari can't load a page?
On 3/31/11 6:09 PM, tee wrote: http://bit.ly/eKE1He (safe to click - I made the shorten url myself, but if you rather not clicking it, that's ok. The link goes to a blogger's site). tee The load is continuous. OS X 10.4 Safari/4.1.3 Had to force quit on video error. Check markup: http://html5.validator.nu/ ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] what could be the cause that Safari can't load a page?
On 3/31/11 10:52 PM, tee wrote: The load is continuous. OS X 10.4 Safari/4.1.3 Had to force quit on video error. Check markup: http://html5.validator.nu/ ~d Thanks. The first video link on the right column? tee Yes, I thi/m/k so. As ever, ~quasimodo -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Aside and section
On 1/24/11 2:41 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: Is it ok to nestsection elements inside theaside element? Can't come up with anything about this scenario on Google... I'll have a first real attempt at an HTML5 page for critique soon... Yes. http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/ http://html5.validator.nu/ Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Aside and section
On 1/24/11 4:37 PM, David Laakso wrote: On 1/24/11 2:41 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: Is it ok to nestsection elements inside theaside element? Can't come up with anything about this scenario on Google... I'll have a first real attempt at an HTML5 page for critique soon... Yes. Best, ~d Whoops. I was thinking section inside article ! Dunno about section inside aside. Try it and check it on the html5 outliner sent earlier. ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Lightbox++ and mobiles etc
On 1/18/11 6:49 AM, designer wrote:
I making an html5 site with a few galleries, each one being a grid of
images 4 rows of three thumbnails. Clicking the thumbnails provides a
600px wide image via lightbox++. The images are all 600px wide, but
the heights are different.
When it comes to making the galleries visible on a mobile phone I do
not have a problem since I've made the structure elastic and the grid
shrinks to 6 rows of 2 images. Fine. BUT : clearly, the lightbox
images simply do not fit on the small screen and I wondered if anyone
has solved the problem of how to stop the lightbox working on small
screens? Media queries?
All suggestions welcome.
Many thanks,
Bob
Try it the other way around: lay it out in mobile first?
@media only screen and (max-width:480px),only screen and
(max-device-width:480px) {...}
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Re: [WSG] nav or menu?
On 1/9/11 7:44 AM, designer wrote: Hi LG, I am making a site (html5) which has a nav section at the top of each page. Some pages will also have a 'menu' which will be a short list of links to other pages in the site, and these will appear lower down in the content of the page. Instinct tells me that it is sensible to make this subset as follows: menu dl ddblah/dd ddblah/dd ddblah/dd /dl /menu (where blah is a link to a page) But lots of folk seem to say that menu is only to be used for lists of commands. It's not clear to me, anyway! Is the above 'wrong'? All advice gratefully recd. Bob I do not think the above is necessarily wrong. Another approach might be: Top menu nav ul li/li ul /nav Subset menu nav ul id=s li/li ul /nav Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS lists
On 1/7/11 8:10 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi all, Besides the CSS-D list, which CSS lists would you recommend subscribing to? Thanks, -- Thierry These come to mind??? The appropriate w3c list, and... http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/ http://csscreator.com/ http://bytes.com/ Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Detecting Mobile user agent - what methods work best?
On 07/01/2011 04:10, Mike Kear wrote: I have to convert a client site to enable phone users to use the site and I was wondering what is the best method to detect the mobile user agent and switch the css sheet? On mobile strategy: Bruce Lawson http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/the-mobile-web-optimization-guide/ [Personally, I think media queries is the way to go.] Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] mobile
On 12/30/10 9:10 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Two comments... 1)I recommend a Home link on all pages. I tried to get back Home and couldn't find a way to get there, until I just happened to click on your name at the top. 2)Just a minor thing, but I think the Show / Hide Details would look better centered under each image. Looks great on my Samsung Fascinate. Rick http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ Best, ~d Thanks. I will experiment with ways of making both of your thoughts happen Best, ~d *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] mobile
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[WSG] mobile
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[WSG] Re: [WD]: mobile [+1]
On 12/29/10 10:59 PM, David Laakso wrote:
On 12/29/10 9:34 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:57 AM, David Laakso wrote:
- the box for a link on an active page is a pixel or two wider than
the other links
I am aware of this and have not been able to determine if it my
error or
browser bug. On desktop WebKit/Safari/FF/Opera get it right, whereas
Chrome gets it wrong. Or, the other way around depending on how it
is set.
nav ul li strong, body#p nav ul li strong, body.about nav ul li
strong, body.contact nav ul li strong {
display: block;
margin: auto;
padding: 10px 0 14px; /* change */
overflow: hidden; /*-- really needed ??? */
width: 93%!important; /*--- remove */
text-align:center; /*--- add */
}
Philippe
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You'll find your off-list suggestion on my server on re-load.
Thank you so much, Philippe!
Best,
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Re: [WSG] mobile [+1]
- the box for a link on an active page is a pixel or two wider than
the other links
I am aware of this and have not been able to determine if it my
error or
browser bug. On desktop WebKit/Safari/FF/Opera get it right, whereas
Chrome gets it wrong. Or, the other way around depending on how
it is set.
nav ul li strong, body#p nav ul li strong, body.about nav ul li
strong, body.contact nav ul li strong {
display: block;
margin: auto;
padding: 10px 0 14px; /* change */
overflow: hidden; /*-- really needed ??? */
width: 93%!important; /*--- remove */
text-align:center; /*--- add */
}
Philippe
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You'll find your off-list suggestion on my server on re-load.
Thank you so much, Philippe!
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Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
On 12/18/10 6:20 AM, tee wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Thanks! tee aside A somewhat less dramatic alternative is to feed IE/6.0 styles in much the same manner as one might handle mobile. Somewhat crude at the moment, but fwiw see my signature link in IE/6. Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Site for Vision Impaired
On 11/26/10 6:25 PM, Daniel Anderson wrote: What are the considerations I need to take into account with a project like this? eg ability to change contrast, text size etc? Are there any good resources or advice you could share with me? With regard, to typography the consideration is the same as it is for any user. Set the fonts throughout at user default. And ensure the site will hold when scaled at twice user default. Best, ~d -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Fixed-position menus?
On 11/24/10 7:06 PM, Thierry wrote: Thanks, Thierry; Could you expound a bit on what evil these CSS expressions might bring on? Are we talkin' red guys with horns, tails and pitchforks? Worse than that! Check this: http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2007/07/high_performanc_6/ -- Regards, What say we lighten-up just a bit? Best, ~d PS Happy Thanksgiving! -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] disable user scale for iPhone only, not iPad
On 11/18/10 8:55 PM, tee wrote: meta content=width=device-width; initial-scale=1.0; maximum-scale=1.0; user-scalable=0; name=viewport With the size of iPad, having zoom feature seems a more sensible approach however the meta tag disables the zooming in iPad too. I'd been searching the web and trying different combinations but couldn't find anything that would work. tee Dunno. No iPad hereabout. Longshot. Try ? meta name=viewportcontent=width=device-width; initial-scale=1.0; maximum-scale=1.0; Best, ~d -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Mobile Phone Emulators
On 10/4/10 10:12 PM, Cole Kuryakin wrote: If anyone else would like to weigh-in on standards issues (and/or mobile standard tutorials, gotcha's, etc.) surrounding site development for mobile devices, please do... Should be a great help to many of us. Cole It makes coping with IE 6/7 look like a game played by children... [some links.. in no particular order, rhyme, or reason] http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ http://www.maxdesign.com.au/articles/css3-media-queries/ http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-mini-5-beta-developers/ http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/ http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/the-mobile-web-optimization-guide/ http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/Mobile http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/screencast-mobile-web-development-techniques#comments http://www.alistapart.com/articles/responsive-web-design/ http://www.perfectomobile.com/portal/cms/opera.xhtml?key=OP631R89YL2 http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action Best, ~d -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] An accessible HTML5 WordPress theme
On 10/3/10 1:24 AM, tee wrote: Thanks to all who answered my HTML5 questions in the past week. Here is the first result of my learning and I am releasing the theme under GPL license. http://lotusseedsdesign.com/temple-gate/ Find the download link in the first sticky post if you want to use the theme or study the theme files. I would love to gather some feedback on the use of HTML5 elements in the theme. These are the HTML5 tags used in the theme: • header • nav • footer • aside • section • article • time • form attributes: • search • email • url • placeholder • required In the HTML markup example page (please ignore the content as it was copied from XHTML markup example I wrote), scroll to the bottom, you can see that the table got cut off-it's declared with 450px width right now. My guess is there isn't enough space to accommodate seven columns and that the word in TH can not be wrapped. Is there a way to fix this? The next step I would like to learn to do is to draw the “kasagi” sharp using Canvas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Torii_nomenclature.svg tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HELP WITH SETTING UP A CMS PROJECT
On 9/15/10 8:42 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: THINKING ABOUT REWRITING MY STAR TREK SITE AND THINKING ABOUT USING A CMS. MARVIN. That's a big order, Marvin. I am a designer rather than a developer but would think you may want to keep things very simple. This is an open-source XML based lite CMS. http://get-simple.info/start/ It may more than meet your need and will probably be a lot less frustrating in the long run... Best, ~d -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Opera Mini rendering issue with HTML5 doctype
On 9/5/10 7:49 AM, tee wrote:
I have a mobile site (just using media queries) that initially used XHTML Basic 1.1,
the site rendered fine except with a few glitches (bugs!!??) that I know existed in
this browser. Decided to convert the site to HTML5...trimmed
tee
Ah, yes -- fun and games on the mobile device funny-farm...
Long-shot on html5, try ?:
@media screen and (max-device-width: 480px), screen and (max-width: 480px) {
} /*for high-end handsets*/
@media (max-width: 240px) {
} /*low-end handsets running OperaMini */
Best,
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Mexico City, Mexico
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Re: [WSG] HTML5 with Chrome
On 9/2/10 10:25 PM, Mick Doherty wrote: There seems to be more sites being created in HTML5 ... any other recommended examples of HTML5 sites? http://html5gallery.com/ ~d -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Current thinking on fixed width/liquid design ?
Lyn Smith wrote: Was wondering what the latest opinions are on using fixed width or liquid design in light of the ever increasing size of monitor screens. Media Quires [1] [2] seems to open some doors [if not windows]... [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/ [2] http://www.slideshare.net/maxdesign/css3-media-queries Best, ~d -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
Duncan Hill wrote: On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:51:17 +0100, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com wrote: Hmm. Doubt it is Opera Mini. SanyoMiro okay this end. N80 cache issue? AP from sidebar [digits] and/or header metroedition display:none; not holding? I will check it out. Thanks for the heads-up. Best, ~d I've reset Opera Mini on the N80. Default image quality appears to be 'Medium', which results in a small width image but with no side-scroll for the page. Is max-width 35% correct for the image on the 480px screen ?? Duncan re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/site/portfolio/01.php Doing considerably better on a low-end Sanyo/Mirro on this end. Unable to test in N80. No scrollbar portrait or landscape. Settings at mobile view-off, text-size medium and large, everything else at default. Now feeding a separate set of much smaller images only to the handset. This seems to be the answer? Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/site/portfolio/01.php css around line 669 http://chelseacreekstudio.com/site/css/sisu.css The image does not fill the width of the window in Sanyo Mirro scp3810 for BoostMobile running Opera Mini 5.1 nor in the Opera Mini Simulator. http://www.opera.com/mobile/demo/ What to do? aside It does fill the window in Mac OS X 10.4 at 600, 480, and 400. And it fills the window in the iPhoney Simulator... /aside Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
tee wrote:
Hi David,
I think the problem might be this:
body#p #main img {border: 3px solid red;display: block;
max-width : 96% !important;
height : auto !important;
margin : 20px 0 0 0;
}
Should it not be body#p, #main img?
tee
#p is the id for the styles specific to the portfolio pages, so I don't
think your suggestion would work as you've written it -- and, just
#main img {...}
does not work, either.
I have had no difficulty with Opera Mini 5.1 on Sanyo Mirro [ a low-end
device ] whatsoever, other than the problem I wrote about.
A friend checked it on an iPod prior to the inclusion of the @media
declarations and reported no issues at that time. I will ask her to
check it again.
Thanks.
Best,
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Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
Duncan Hill wrote: On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:27:24 +0100, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com wrote: markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/site/portfolio/01.php Best, ~d Only an old Nokia N80 to test on. Messed with Opera Mini settings and the only way to get the image to display at larger than mini size was to set Image Quality to High, but then it did not respect the screen width. Doesn't seem to provide any clues I'm afraid. Best wishes Duncan Bingo, I bet!!! Image Quality High with max-width re-set to 40% or a little less ought to do it. If you do not hear back from me in an hour or so it is resolved. Thanks! Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
tee wrote: I sent you a screenshot taken from Opera Mini directly from iPod using landscape view It might go into your junk box. I am quite certain the image is the result of the max-width declaration in your img and the horizontal scrolling is the product of EM width with the combination of max-width. Opera mobile 10 emulator doesn't has the same issue though, but then I have learned to never trust the emulator from day one. tee Got the iPod screenshot, thanks -- will look into it. The image issue has been resloved in the Opera Mini Simulator and in the Sany Mirro handset [a low-end device] with Duncan's suggestion of setting Image Quality High. This makes the image from too narrow to too wide. I changed the CSS as follows to reduce the image width: /* was 96% */ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
David Laakso wrote:
tee wrote:
I sent you a screenshot taken from Opera Mini directly from iPod
using landscape view
It might go into your junk box. I am quite certain the image is the
result of the max-width declaration in your img and the horizontal
scrolling is the product of EM width with the combination of max-width.
Opera mobile 10 emulator doesn't has the same issue though, but then
I have learned to never trust the emulator from day one.
tee
Whoops. Hit send too soon. Here's the rest of it...
Got the iPod screenshot, thanks -- will look into it.
The image issue has been resloved in the Opera Mini Simulator and in the
Sany Mirro handset [a low-end device] with Duncan's suggestion of
setting Image Quality High. This makes the image from too narrow to too
wide.
I changed the CSS as follows to reduce the image width: /* was 96% */
@media handheld, screen and (max-width: 480px), screen and
(max-device-width: 480px) {
body#p #main img {
max-width : 35% !important;
height : auto !important;
}
} /* for Opera Mini 5.1 on SanyoMirro 4 BoostMobile*/
Best,
~d
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Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
Duncan Hill wrote: On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:41:33 +0100, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com wrote: Having checked in Opera desktop, which does respond to the @media queries, and the N80, I have a suspicion that there may be something in your header that is maintaining a side scroll on the handheld. Could that be an overflow failure in Mini or a minimum size setting. Best wishes Duncan Hmm. Doubt it is Opera Mini. SanyoMiro okay this end. N80 cache issue? AP from sidebar [digits] and/or header metroedition display:none; not holding? I will check it out. Thanks for the heads-up. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
tee wrote: This site may give you a general idea how much it may cost your mobile user per page. http://mobiready.com tee Granted all 7 images in the portfolio section are heavy, Nevertheless, the mobile device is SanyoMirro [ a low-end handset-- it is not a smart-phone ] for BoostMobile [ the carrier charge is a flat-fee of 50 dollars per month for /unlimited/ phone and internet use -- there is no mobile user per page charge ]. Unlike my former iPhone I do not need to constantly re-charge the battery; I can make audible phone calls to a friend who lives in the same apartment building as me; I can also make audible phone calls to downtown Boston [4 miles away]; I am able make frequent audible phone calls to California, Tennessee, and Michigan. And it sure is a lot /easier and cheaper/ to read the New York Times on a daily basis on my SanyoMirro than it ever was on my iPhone... Rock-on Opera Mini/BoostMobile. End of ATT/smart-phone rant :-) . Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: opera mini 5.1 ::
tee wrote: Checked one of a mobile sites I did that has inline image larger than 480px ...trimmed, thanks [I think :-) ]. Oh, easy for Leonardo. -- Dylan Thomas -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] EM bug in Safari 5?
tee wrote: In these two examples, the width is 62em which is around 992px according to pxtoem dot com, but in Safari 5 it's around 871px in actual size. First I thought maybe it's because I mixed the EM and % (for left/content columns), so I did another test page using EM only, still getting the same result. http://greensho.nexcess.net/em-vs-px/em-width.html My monitor is 27 2560x1440 resolution, but I don't think this is the reason. Can you confirm if you see the same? Thanks! tee Mac OS X 10.4.11 [116.5dpi] Safari, WebKit, Camino, FF approx 993 to 995px Mac OS X 10.4.11 [116.5dpi] Parallels XP Safari, FF, IE 6/7/8 approx 993 to 995px Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels
Foskett, Mike wrote: Has anyone on the list considered using keywords? Mike Foskett Has anyone conceived of a layout for the page using percent, em, /and/ pixel width, with the fonts specified in percent [ or em ] :-) ? Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels
David Hucklesby wrote: On 7/20/10 8:25 AM, David Laakso wrote: Foskett, Mike wrote: Has anyone on the list considered using keywords? Mike Foskett Has anyone conceived of a layout for the page using percent, em, /and/ pixel width, with the fonts specified in percent [ or em ] :-) ? Best, ~d Eric seems to have done so: http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/11/09/multi-unit-any-order-columns/ Cordially, David Yes, Eric -- among others ... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_12a.html Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] UI development for blackberry.
Naveen Bhaskar - live wrote: I want to develop a site for blackberry and iphone is a good to have support. can anyone tell me what are the things I need to keep in mind while developing pages for a blackberry. does it support png-24 images? Naveen Bhaskar Speed optimization is very important for the mobile web. It is to your advantage to stick with optimized [1] png-8. Additionally, some handsets offer the user the ability to pick low, medium, or high image-quality in their device settings. Best, ~d [1] http://www.smushit.com/ysmush.it/ [2] Blackberry development http://na.blackberry.com/eng/developers/resources/developer_labs.jsp [3] iPhone development http://developer.apple.com/iphone/index.action -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] possible to exclude handheld stylesheet for specific devices?
tee wrote: I want to serve a style sheet for mobile devices and the idea is to support as many devices as possible, however iphone and Andriod are pickup up the style sheet. Hopefully iPad isn't. Is possible to exclude these two devices as I wanted to offer better user experience for the two devices' users? Thanks! tee This /may/ be what you are after? http://detectmobilebrowsers.mobi/ http://mobiforge.com/starting/story/dotmobi-mobile-web-developers-guide Luca Passani, otoh, approaches mobile device support/detection differently than the w3c: http://www.passani.it/gap/ also Google subject line [something like]: mobile device detection. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] two Safari issues
tee wrote:
In this site, if you click on Accordion menu, in the second (last) menu, Safari
shows a rectangular outlined block; hover to the Links' menu, you can see the
extra outlined block. Seems to be related to hover but I can't anything in my
code that is causing it.
http://simplissimo.com.br/blog/
Nobody knows?
The accordion menu uses a tabbed widget jQuery plugin which has a span style=display:none/span to hide the default WordPress' widget title, the span tag is in the plugin's code so it's not viable to change or remove it as it's not upgradeable-proof for end-user.
Safari apparently treating it a block element and outlined it despite that it
has declared display:none. Question remains: Is this a bug?
Overwrite the inline style with this does the trick.
.tw-accordion span {display: inline!important;visibility: hidden;}
tee
I am not sure but think you may have squelched the focus ring in Mac
Safari/4.0.5.
Prior to your fix the outine did not appear in the current WebKit nightly.
And it still appears in Camino/2.0.2, Mac SeaMonket/2.0.4, and Mac
Firefox/3.6.3.
I did not check the page in a PC.
Best,
~d
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Re: [WSG] help
Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well lost all my project a couple of months ago. marvin. When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us. -- Helen Keller -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE7 overflow
Lucien Stals wrote: Hi everyone. I have a paragraph with a width set on it (500px). The text inside the p includes one very long URL. IE7 and Safari (both mac a win) are wrapping the URL in the wrong place and part of it extends out beyond the edge of the p. Curiously IE6 displays correctly, as do FF3.6 and Opera. Any suggestions? Put it on a public server and provide a clickable link to it in your post. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] FINAL VERSION OF MY SITE
Marvin Hunkin wrote: HI. CAN SOME ONE TAKE A FINAL LOOK AT THIS SITE. AND GOT 2 FONTS. ONE VERDANA AND ONE Arial black. do i need any other fonts. and does it look really good? and also any other improvements. let me know. and if i need to make any changes. tell me how to do this. marvin. http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ It is fine, Marvin. Not to worry. You are doing well. The pages I checked show valid html/css. The fonts are good to go. Nice job. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] FINAL VERSION OF MY SITE
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/
Marvin,
As I mentioned in a previous post, font-family names that contain a space
need to be between quotes, so you should use:
h1 {
font-family: Arial Black;
text-align: center;
}
instead of:
h1 {
font-family: Arial Black;
text-align: center;
}
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Granted. But how about we give Marvin the benefit of doubt?
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21warning=0uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raulferrer.com%2Fjoe%2Fhtml%2F
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Re: [WSG] FINAL VERSION OF MY SITE
Marvin Hunkin wrote: http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ Marvin, Your site is fine. Take what you will. Ignore the rest. Remember, not to forget, you are an An Officer and a Gentleman. Best, Helen -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Div misbehaving in Safari
Jermayn Parker wrote: Hi, I have inherited a website (http://www.koomaldreaming.com.au) with my new job and in Safari and Chrome 3.x I have the content div floating away from where it should be outside of the container div to the right. Any suggestions or help? Corrections on the CSS file. You may, or may not, need all of them. markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/after.htm css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/after_files/main.css You are feeding Mac OS X Arial. Opera and IE prefer line-height set as a raw number. Validate the markup. ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
Russ Weakley wrote: Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. 2. 3. Russ 4. Mousetype. http://www.universalsprout.com/ ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] I need a professional eye.
PurencoolGmail wrote:
Hi everyone,
I need a professional eye.
I have been developing this site for two weeks
(with help from this email group) and now that
I think I have finished. All I want to know is there
too much css?
The site is www.purencool.com
Any feed back would be great and you don't have to
be nice.
No pro-here here about.
She's nice.
Mind the-stack [1]: watch the footer (Mac OS 10.4).
body
{ /* font: 93%/1.5em Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif !important;
line-height:1.5em;*/
font : 100%/1.4 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;}
h2, h3, h4, h5{/*font: 1.3em Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;*/}
#leftNav ul li a{/*font-size:.95em;*/}
#leftNav h6{ /*font: 1.2em Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;*/}
#leftNav p{/*font: .8em Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif; line-height:1.3em;*/}
[1] Helvetica Neue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica#Neue_Helvetica_.281983.29
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Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Elizabeth Spiegel wrote: Hi David Not a comment about your code, but your information design. Why are the images/examples of effective use scattered across the site and in some cases repeated? Why not place them on a 'using our product' (or similar) page? Elizabeth Spiegel Elizabeth, you raise a good point with which I agree. This is currently being considered. Thanks. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
designer wrote: Hi David, Comments and suggestions on this site appreciated. markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/css/style.css Thanks. ~d Not a very useful comment perhaps, but I hate the colour of the banner, and the bright blue of the menu is horrific. Apart from that, when a menu item is selected, the text becomes bold and the spacing changes so the menu jumps a bit. Is that acceptable to you and/or the client? Bob Flattery will get you nowhere (corrections on server). ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Lesley Lutomski wrote: Hi David, I also have a problem with the double border on the menu items, combined with the underlining of the links - too many lines too close together. I have neurological problems, which may partly account for my reaction here, but I asked my husband and he also finds it a bit busy and distracting. Could I suggest removing the underline and spacing the menu items slightly further apart, or using a single rather than double border? (I do actually like the double border.) Also, changing the blue to an orange or red that would be less jarring against the brown would be a big improvement. Lesley markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/ Still a neurological problem for you now, Lesley? ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Joseph Taylor wrote: David, The only item I wonder about is the thick border below the navigation that touches the double border directly below it. I'd use one or the other rather than both. That's me though. It looks like a CSS oops to me. No normal people will mind it though. Joseph R. B. Taylor / / markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/ Bugs me, too. Correction on server, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Comments and suggestions on this site appreciated. markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/css/style.css Hi David, Minor things: I think the h1 Bumped. On server. looks small and that there is not enough padding around the text in the menu. I think more padding would make that text more readable, and would also spread the menu across the content. Some padding added. On server. I'd use THs in the table for the company names, I'd use scope=row and scope=col too. You could also add a caption (send it off screen if you wish). OK. Know from nothing about tables. Will look into. -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com Thanks. ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Lesley Lutomski wrote: Hi David, Great improvement, thank you. You wouldn't believe just how much that improves the usability for me. Lesley markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/ Cool. I will have to remember that in the future. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I do not have any neurological problems myself (other than I am a little whacked in the noggin :-) ). ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Paul Novitski wrote: At 1/26/2010 01:07 AM, David Laakso wrote: Comments and suggestions on this site appreciated. markup http://chelseacreekstudio.com/mhr/ The blank alt attributes for the foreground images are brow-wrinklers for me. When an image is in the foreground I figure that it is content that contributes substantially to the comprehension of the site, and I see no reason to withhold that information from search engines and other sightless users. I see no reason to withhold information from anyone, particularly from search engines or sightless users; and, consequently, alt attributes will, of course, be added well in due time of the site's launch date. One of the site's owners requests is that the site be functional and usable in any given screen window from 640px and up. This, at least as of this writing, precludes the possibility of using background images. Regards, Paul Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Duncan Hill wrote: OK. Know from nothing about tables. Will look into. David, I found this article a help in getting started with marking up tables correctly. article by Zoe Gillenwater http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=0BEA6 Duncan Thanks! ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] playing with css
PurencoolGmail wrote:
http://www.purencool.com/_webdata/downloads/templates/twoColumn/
body {
background-color : #ccc;
color : #00;
font-family : Verdana, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif;
font-size : 0.93em;
line-height : 130%;
}
#wrapper {
width : 800px;
background-color : #ff;
margin-left : auto;
margin-right : auto;
padding : 5px;
}
#heading {
width : 100%;
}
#menuA {
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
width : 100%;
}
#menuA li {
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
display : inline;
}
#menuB {
width : 25%;
float : left;
}
#content {
width : 70%;
float : left;
}
#footer {
clear : both;
width : 100%;
}
#footer ul {
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
width : 100%;
}
#footer ul li {
display : inline;
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
width : 100%;
}
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Re: [WSG] playing with css
PurencoolGmail wrote: clear : both; that worked as well thanks On 20/01/10 14:05, David Laakso wrote: clear : both; Treat the software with respect. Things will go your way. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/ -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] internet explorer font names
Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. what do you mean vallidate the css and the pages. did do that a while back and it vallidated all. Please include url to your page in question each time you write. RE: http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ I suspect you have made some markup and CSS changes since the last time you visited the w3c validation service :-) . There are currently 43 markup errors on your home page. http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raulferrer.com%2Fjoe%2Fhtml%2F And there are currently 2 CSS errors. http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21warning=0uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raulferrer.com%2Fjoe%2Fhtml%2F marvin. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] site url
Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/01/18 11:44 (GMT+1100) Marvin Hunkin composed: http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ Looks like you forgot to validate again: http://tinyurl.com/ya7p6sy http://tinyurl.com/ydoat7q Indeed. So validate the CSS, and markup. You stand tall, and look good. Don't get? Write me, anytime. ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] font names problem in internet explorer
Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well tried fixing the error in the css. but still not reading the font names. just says centered. What is the uri of site in question. Thanks. ~d *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Issue related to the IE 6
Brajesh Patel wrote: Hello all, I am working on the IE 6 but getting issue in this browser please suggest some tip for work with IE 6. -- Thanks Brajesh Patel Put the site on a public server and provide a clickable link to it in your poat. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css error
Marvin Hunkin wrote:
hi.
well how to fix this.
Marvin.
Go to your CSS file.
Find the declaration that reads:
body
{
font: 100%/1.4 Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif; -- :: add
background: #fff;
}
Amend that declaration to read:
body
{
font: 100%/1.4 Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif;
background: #fff;
}
Reply to the list. Not me. Thank you, Marvin.
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Re: [WSG] visual web developer and jaws
Marvin Hunkin wrote: maybe in the markup code or maybe in the code behind file. just found this annoying when i went to jaws 11. did intend it so that the buttons were on each line one button on its own. any one got any ideas. Marvin. Marvin, I think you'll need to put the site on a public server and provide a clickable link to it in your post. Best, ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Looking for Accessible and Standards based Drupal Main Navigation Module
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Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
designer wrote: Gotcha! Thanks, and a HAY! Bob O.K. You did not ask about anything else. And, that is O.K., too. Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
designer wrote: If any of you guys are around at this time, I'd be really grateful if you could have a look at: http://www.betasite.fsnet.co.uk/gam/altgam/gwelanmor.html All comments gratefully received. Bob Nice. Clean. Simple. Opera, Safari, FF, IE 6/7/8. Very helpful site for html 5 questions. http://html5doctor.com/ aside trivial pursuits having nothing to do with what you wrote about: You may want to ditch the rivers. If of any concern whatsoever, right column float drop at less than 800. Page needs a background-color (I default to fuchsia in Opera to catch myself). /aside Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
designer wrote: Thanks to those who responded. @David: rivers? Duh. Please explain. It is New Years Eve, after all! RE: http://www.betasite.fsnet.co.uk/gam/altgam/gwelanmor.html It is a term used in typography. Think of a block of text as you would a piece of fine tapestry. On your home page, squint' your eyes at that text block and you'll see the rivers cascading down the tapestry. Still don't see it? Take a screen shot of the text-block and literally rotate in photoshop so that is upside down-- and you'll see the rivers. Justified text is sometimes quite nice in print media when done by a typographer really knows her stuff. I would not attempt to stay awake nights waiting for Web software to catch up. In the meantime, reset to flush left/scatter right. CSS: text-align: left; This will dry up the rivers and the text will be easier to read. A different font stack and honoring user default rather than your personal preference could also be a nice touch, too. ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Duncan Hill wrote: The 'flare' image on the home page is much better, on the original I thought the burned out highlights were too intrusive and distracting. That is good news. I think it looks better, too -- although perhaps a little too dark for the rest of the page... I liked the vertical page name under the menu. :( Hmm. I guess you mean it was better before when there was more indentation of the sub-list than there is now? Two problem areas, 1. when navigating the portfolio page, changing from odilon redon to yar laakso, dolphin’s back is being displayed. All the other selections look correct. A simple typo in the menu structure I think. Yikes! Good catch. I will correct it. 2. Again on the portfolio page, selecting a 'view full-page' closes your initial short view and gives the full picture, if you again click 'view full-page', the full view closes but does not reinstate the short view, leaving an almost blank page that needs a second click to get back to a visible item. Might it be better to simply toggle the two states so that the page always has one of the two options visible. I will change this so that one image is /always/ visible. Duncan Thanks, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Tom Livingston wrote: On this page, in Safari 4.0.4: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/site/portfolio/07.php The left vertical nav links can be hovered and used while mousing in the blank space to the left of the nav text. Is this intentional? Thought you might want to know. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions on this site. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ Best, ~d Yes, I know. They are set to display block (on purpose). Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] :: makeready ::
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Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
Chris Price wrote: Looking at the site in Firefox my first reaction is to want to drag it to the left. Somehow being right aligned it feels uncomfortable - I wonder why the white space on the left. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ -- Chris Price So drag it to a 640 window? Best, ~d *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
designer wrote: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ However - there is always a 'BUT' - for my taste it's lopsided! O.K., now tell me you spent hours making the spacing work that way because it's what you wanted! Bob Hours? Hours nothing: it took a lifetime that spacing, Bob :-) . Best, ~d *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML5 book(s)
designer wrote: O.K., so David Laakso's recent mail made me realise that I need (want) to catch up. I looked online for any html 5 books, and there are a LOT! So, could I please have your recommendations on (recent) books which tell the reader 'how to write html 5' Many thanks, Bob Can't help with books, Bob. But there are a zillion online html5 resources including the w3c working draft. http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/ ~d *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
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