Re: [WSG] Photo gallery & standards?

On Sun, 29 May 2005 16:39:51 +0100, Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: actually i'm having a problem in my project, I have to have category for every person, with his albums so the site become so ugly and so huge, and the current content is only 20% of what I have would you mind to take a look

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery & standards?

On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:46:29 +0100, Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How to Create a Photographic Gallery Using CSS: http://www.webreference.com/programming/css_gallery/index.html I don't like it. It works only on hover and that's Bad Thing for usability and accessiblity. I can't us

Re: [WSG] style sheet set up

On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:10:14 +0100, Bruce Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: is there any "standard" way to set up the flow of a style sheet? I usually try and use just one style sheet and start with global elements such as body, p, table, li etc. followed by elements as they flow on a page fr

Re: [WSG] apostrophes, and the like.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 13:21:23 +0100, James Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "bar" An XML parser would barf on "bar" as the quote char describes an attribute. This is "badly formed" markup. No, it is not. Quotes and apostrophes can be used in XML text. You can use them even in attributes, if diff

[WSG] Re: [WSG] ® character

On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:37:33 +0100, Peter J. Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ® You should avoid all named entities in XHTML, except quot, amp, lt, gt. For all other characters use unicode encoding or numeric unicode entity reference. Then why does the W3 use it in their example? It's not

Re: [WSG] apostrophes, and the like.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 13:00:28 +0100, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How much do I need to bother about quotation marks etc being represented as their 'proper' equivalent, eg ' as ', and so on? Not much. I've ended up with the horrific prospect of painstakingly going through and changing al

[WSG] Re: [WSG] ® character

On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:58:08 +0100, Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone know if there's an XHTML special char. for  ? ® You should avoid all named entities in XHTML, except quot, amp, lt, gt. For all other characters use unicode encoding or numeric unicode entity reference. -- regards, Kornel

Re: [WSG] search engine question

On Mon, 16 May 2005 05:06:43 +0100, Kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unless you think im making a HUGE mistake by using this dhtml menu from, im going to leave it. How huge mistake is having website seen by Google as "Your browser does not support script" message? I mean what are the pe

Re: [WSG] search engine question

On Mon, 16 May 2005 04:01:09 +0100, Kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I guess theres pros and cons to both methods, Im leaning towards a dhtml menu that supports ns and ie 4+. I'd avoid any non-trivial script that supports 4.x browsers. Scripts designed for those browsers often rely on browser s

Re: [WSG] search engine question

On Mon, 16 May 2005 16:11:26 +0100, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You have to use good, accessible menu that uses links in HTML. See "son of suckerfish dropdowns". I'm not sure if CSS menus are really "accessible". IMHO, they lack a "timer", browser support is weak and most of them

Re: [WSG] search engine question

On Mon, 16 May 2005 02:59:32 +0100, Kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: would those suckerfish dropdowns interfere with divs below them, ie push them down or anything. No. Typical DHTML menus are HTML+CSS created and controlled by JS. Suckerfish dropdowns is HTML+CSS "created" by HTML and contr

Re: [WSG] search engine question

On Mon, 16 May 2005 01:58:23 +0100, Kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do spiders crawl links in external javascript files, like the ones found in some dhtml menus? No. You have to use good, accessible menu that uses links in HTML. See "son of suckerfish dropdowns". -- regards, Kornel Lesińs

[WSG] Opera Acid 2 progress

Here's forum thread about it: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=91018 and here is pretty nice comparison of latest builds: http://my.opera.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=929573 -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ** The discussion l

Re: [WSG] Using Object to replace IFrame

On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:25:36 +0100, Stevio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a page that works ok using an IFrame to load some content from another web site into this frame. The page is XHTML 1.0 Transitional compatible using an IFrame. To make it XHTML 1.0 Strict compatible, I would need to r

Re: [WSG] when navigation schemes go bad.

On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:42:07 +0100, Drake, Ted C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I used something similar on this site: http://www.csatravelprotection.com I don't see anything that would require tons of CSS on that page (checked FF nightly and Opera 8.01). Sub-navigation doesn't even change when

Re: [WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?

On Thu, 12 May 2005 15:56:10 +0100, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think of people stuck with old browsers, the same way I think of people using keyboard navigation, etc. I believe browser support is accessibility, so I spend time "tweaking" my sheets, *trying* to make my sites lo

Re: [WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?

I develop sites primarily for Opera and Firefox and then downgrade for IE6. I occasionally check in Safari. Opera/Gecko/Safari get fully-featured website. IE6 almost (except some :hover/:focus, etc) and generally I don't care about anything else. If client pays extra I add stylesheet+scripting hack

Re: [WSG] Headings within Navigation

On Wed, 04 May 2005 17:31:06 +0100, Jamie Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey all, Does anyone know whether it's correct to use headings in your navigation? Technically is allowed in , but semantically - I think it's not. IMHO headings should only be before actual content, so when you jump to

Re: [WSG] The mother of all html references?

On Tue, 03 May 2005 14:02:32 +0100, Cole Kuryakin - x7m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been using this online html reference (http://www.htmlreference.com/) for the past 6 months or so, and so far it's been fine. No, htmlreference.com is full of deprecated elements and attributes. Half of s

Re: [WSG] Combination of CSS menu with dhtm/javascript menu button?

On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:59:24 +0100, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [01] [02] Thanks! Not trying to discredit the effort of SOS creator, but it doesn't work for IE 5.2 Mac, it's out of qu

Re: [WSG] Semantic tag for copyright slug?

On Sun, 01 May 2005 04:23:35 +0100, Cole Kuryakin - x7m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This maybe taking the whole semantic thing too far, but is there a "copywright" tag (not the Meta Tag) that one should use for copyright information? I've searched the web, but can't find one defined other than

Re: [WSG] To table or not to table, the form question

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:41:11 +0100, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I need to create a complex online order form that look something like this: http://www.melsmarket.com/cgi-bin/orderonline.cgi Haven't start yet but I already imagine it will be a big headache if using CSS, especially copying wi

Re: [WSG] Voice family box model hack

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:43:59 +0100, Stevio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This in turn makes it easier to develop code specifically to fix IE problems. Why has that been such a well kept secret? I thought that was quite popular technique. IE has conditional comments for JScript as well and that's bet

Re: [WSG] Voice family box model hack

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:30:59 +0100, Stevio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can someone explain how the following works? Put subject of your email in Google search box and hit "I'm feeling lucky". -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ** The discussion list for

Re: Betr.: [WSG] Window Pop-ups

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:24:28 +0100, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Help As a side note: using "_blank" as the value of the target attribute is not a good idea unless the designer wants a *new* window And what about what _user_ wants? For me there is nothing more annoying that page

Re: Betr.: [WSG] Window Pop-ups

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:16:12 +0100, Jeremy Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2) If the link has a class of "popup": 1) add an onlick behaviour 2) cancel the default action 3) make onkeypress do the same thing. No, don't use onkeypress. lnks[i].onclick = fun

Re: Betr.: [WSG] Window Pop-ups

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:04:39 +0100, Prabhath Sirisena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You might find this useful: http://www.accessify.com/tutorials/the-perfect-pop-up.asp This popup is imperfect. In examples there is always "return false;". It should be return !window.open(..); It uses inline JavaScrip

Re: Betr.: [WSG] Window Pop-ups

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:44:24 +0100, Gerard Copinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Help Why do you put *useless* "javascript:" *label* inside onclick handler? -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Nested Links?

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:31:47 +0100, The Bo$$ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is nesting one link inside another semantically incorrect? Such as This is a link? It's technically incorrect. Specs forbid nesting s, although validator doesn't always catch it because DTD mechanism is quite primitive. -- rega

Re: [WSG] IE7 update

https://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/04/22/410963.aspx They claim png support and the end of the peekaboo bug, for a start! Exciting stuff! Not really. "Improving css support consistency" means IE is going to be *consistently broken*. -- regards, Kornel Lesiński *

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:36:25 +0100, Stevio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One of the first points on that web site is: "Sites built with web standards take less time to develop" I have to disagree. Trying to lay a site out with CSS can be very complicated and time consuming ...when you don't have equal

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:14:35 +0100, Kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the visuals or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)? IMHO that is quite OK, if you put inside some alternative content (images, mosltly

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:41:34 +0100, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a vital ingredient in web design which is never mentioned by guys like this : IMAGE. There are many web sites which sell nothing but image - no products, no marketing: just image. Such a site is: http://www.

Re: [WSG] php-files get horizontal scrollbar in IE

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:49:35 +0100, Daniela Hoffmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ok, I work with frames, but my client want's that (and a content manegment program, so he can update himself). But frames aren't neccessary for that. PHP has include() But now I get a horizontal scrollbar (only in

Re: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:10:44 +0100, Paul Menard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just curious what tidy parameters you are using. I have some European (Polish, Czech, Russian) language sites I'm working on and would prefer to convert the UTF-8 to some numeric equal for certain high-range letters.

Re: [WSG] i-frame and Div Overflow auto

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:29:54 +0100, Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which is more standards compliant the i-frame of div overflow auto or scroll. Some issues in version 4 browsers exist with the div method, but what share of the viewing populace uses any version 4 browser. Iframe has bu

Re: [WSG] Standard JS events and properties?

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:34:02 +0100, Jeremy Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm using W3C DOM and events (I don't care about IE-compatibility) Actually, IE has very good DOM support. I've mentioned DOM events, which it apparently doesn't support (add/removeEventListener). Thanks for the tip abou

[WSG] Standard JS events and properties?

Google is full of post-netscape JS or adopted IE extensions... Where can I find authoritative list of standard (i.e. future-compatible, non-deprecated) JS properties for HTML/CSS manipulation? I'm using W3C DOM and events (I don't care about IE-compatibility), but what about manipilation of e

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:43:34 +0100, Gunlaug SÃrtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now, my question again - rephrased: are there anything IE6 can do in "standard" mode, that it can't do -- albeit differently -- in quirks mode? Right-aligned box in flow with left-aligned text in and around it. -- re

Re: [WSG] Client wants flashing text

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:48:28 +0100, Jeff Oien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis, what do you do or tell them? That he's not a professional designer. He has hired one that makes right decisions for him. Blinking text is a step in that direction: http://cs

Re: [WSG] Easy forms, uneasy Gecko

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:35:31 +0100, Philippe Wittenbergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables: label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;} and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari, but totally fails in Gecko... Does anyone know how to get it work

[WSG] Easy forms, uneasy Gecko

There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables: label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;} and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari, but totally fails in Gecko... Does anyone know how to get it working in Gecko? I prefer doing forms that way, because I'm styling code that I don't h

Re: [WSG] Automated accessibility testers

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:48:46 +0100, Rowena Padel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Cole I really can't remember where I got it, but I have a pdf file called Dive into Accessibility that is freely distributable under a GNU Free Documentation license. I found it a brilliant description of the what, why a

Re: [WSG] more on flashish stuff: SVG

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:02:52 +0100, Dmitry Baranovskiy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have developed some projects on SVG (http://siter.com.au/dmitry/Pie/pie.html , http://siter.com.au/dmitry/Composer/Composer.html , http://siter.com.au/dmitry/MaxControl/index.html , etc.) It is very powerfull thi

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:53:14 +0100, Patrick Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm pretty sure it's a bug in (Win) Opera's absolute positioning implementation, but annoying nonetheless... would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to get the "advanced search/preferences" list to align properly nex

Re: [WSG] usage of new entities in dtd's

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:41:16 +0100, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm just curious if any popular browser would display this page properly http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/html-is-an-sgml-dtd.html I though Moz would, but it disapointed me. Opera does, but only for XML (i.e. application/xh

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:55:52 +0100, David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: border: 0; border-bottom: 0.1em dotted #781B11; Property redefined. That's correct. The shorthand property "border" already defines "border-bottom." True, but it also defines top, right and left. Do you mean? border-bottom

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:17:01 +0100, Hugues Brunelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can see a sample at http://www.echo3d.com/css/screen.css It "looks" complex but if you pay attention, Why aren't you using shorthand properties? border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width:

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:44:52 +0100, Piero Fissore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: #menu { width: [$menuwidth-$menupadding-2*5px]; padding: $menupadding; border: 5px solid red; } Mmm, cool! But does it really help you? During development - a lot. I usually put menu after content in document - this mea

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:33:58 +0100, C Slack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I group and sort properties in rule like this: selector { positioning; floats; width; height; margin; padding; border; color; background; text-; font-; } For programming languages I prefer Allman style of brace

Re: [WSG] Styling the tag in a - solution

http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/InForm/fieldset.htm : would you say that there is no way to style a legend so that it is not ON the border of the fieldset? I've just made a hack for IE: fieldset {background: red; position: relative;} legend {position: absolute; top: -0.6em; left: 0;} an

Re: [WSG] margin:auto not working on MAC

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:23:50 +0100, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Have a page that seems to be lining up fine everywhere I am checking ( Opera, Firefox, IE ), validates fine but is a little off on a MAC, And PC displays fine? That must be endian-related problem ;) -- regards, Kornel Lesiński

Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish and IE 6 (SP2)

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:03:20 +0100, info <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's also said that adding: <-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet --> at the beginning of the file disables this behaviour. I think you meant: ^ it was missing the exclamation point. :D Yes, and put it after doctype to avoid qui

Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish and IE 6 (SP2)

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:03:03 +0100, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I've encountered that as well. I think It's interesting that it blocks javascript on your own computer, but will gleefully accept it (and activeX objects and whatnot) from the internet (because we all know who

Re: [WSG] Opening links in new window with XHTML

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:31:49 +0100, Vlad Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You do it via JavaScript. For example: http://mysite.com"; onclick="window.open(this.href); return false;" onkeypress="window.open(this.href); return false;"> This is the most accessible way to do this. No, it isn'

Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:03:32 +0100, Tim Isenheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .grey{ color: #cc; } .justified{ text-align: justify; } I strongly disagree. You shouldn't name classes by how they look. Read http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/goodclassnames -- regards, Kornel Lesiński

Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:27:35 +0100, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is certainly valid code and as far as I know, it is accepted across modern browsers. I've used it quite a lot and have never had any trouble with it. I find it quite useful. Except that multiple classes selector

Re: [WSG] Hidden Content

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:35:50 +0100, Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not flaming you - but have you seen this: Why Google's indexing of swfs is worthless http://www.quasimondo.com/archives/000404.php Same old same old. If you read the comments, one person states that he has a Flash-b

Re: [WSG] typographic challenge with css

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:31:25 +0100, Vaska.WSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The tricky part, since I can't do this with a span (I believe) is that I only want class='sentence' to be just the width of the word itself (just as a span does it) a bit offtopic note: From CSS point of view there is no d

Re: [WSG] Hidden Content[This Was Not My Idea]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:15:09 +0100, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think there has been a misunderstanding. This was asked of me by the client as an alternative for: add alternative content (images, text) inside element. I had no idea this would be considered cheating, and posted the que

Re: [WSG] Hidden Content[FLASH SDK]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:09:59 +0100, Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From the MM site: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/download/search_engine/ I _think_ it is literally _for search engines_ as in the Google devs would use/implement it. Sorry for any confusion this may have

Re: [WSG] Hidden Content

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:18:37 +0100, Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is the repercussion, if any, of having a div set to display: none with content meant strictly for search engines. There is a chance that search engines discover that, consider it cheating and lower ranking of your si

Re: [WSG] Using headers for document outline question

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:36:52 +0100, Vlad Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a question regarding the use of H1 headings. From the spec, it appears that multiple H1 headings are permitted on the same Web page. However, is it bad practice to do so? Can someone come up with a scenari

Re: [WSG] Website Check

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:26:06 -, Zachary Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lynx seems to like it Ok. I never thought of the Opera thing before. Kinda weird... (O.o) Ignore that "problem". Setting he used is there only for debugging. -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ***

Re: [WSG] Website Check

http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/products Calling this with Opera and disabled automatic redirection, a page with http 301 is shown. I do not know if every screen-reader or lynx would accept this. You're spreading FUD. That's one of basic features of HTTP. Browser that doesn't support 301 status

Re: Re[2]: [WSG] A HREF around a Flash Object?

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:46:35 -, Martin Heiden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The only problem is that a browser without css support will show the two objects/images. Use conditional comments around tags. Hint: normal code -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ***

Re: [WSG] Dilemma: Useful, additional attributes in elements, invalidating HTML

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:04:23 -, Sigurd Magnusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Your problem is described in detail in: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customdtd/ Before creating your own tags/attributes, check http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/ -- regards, Kornel Lesiński **

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing & borders

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:17:35 -, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: (I believe NN4 doesn't do CSS without JS enabled anyway): Excellent...I wasn't aware of that one; as it sounded a bit strange, I proceeded to test it, and indeed you're right. It must be a b

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing & borders

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:12:10 -, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kornel Lesinski wrote: Please, don't support NN4. Unfortunately, this type of decision often does not rest with the actual developers, but with management or other stakeholders. True, but management

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing & borders

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:15:11 -, Carol Doersom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a standards compliant way to force NS4 Please, don't support NN4. It's buggy outdated browser. If you start worrying how your page works in NN4, your code will start decaying. If you hide CSS from it, probably con

Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:49:00 -, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm implementing some BBtag-like things on my webste though, and it semes to make more sense to have something like [red] create a instead of a and have a whole bunch of unnecesary styles, and if I want to allow so

Re: Re[2]: [WSG] javascript problem with pop-up on hyperlink click (IE6 displays an error, FF, Opera work fine)

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:22:25 -, Chris Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Never put URLs in onclick (javascript:blabla *is* URL) Forget that use this idea: That is tweaked non-standard accessibility killer. It will break even if I middle-click link in a normal browser... In my previous post I've

Re: [WSG] problems with nodetype

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:03:19 -, Nick Gleitzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it just me, or is this list turning into javascriptgroup.org? HTML and CSS aren't the only web standards. DOM and ECMAScript are too. -- regards, Kornel Lesiński *

Re: [WSG] javascript problem with pop-up on hyperlink click (IE6 displays an error, FF, Opera work fine)

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:49:57 -, Thorsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Barkow-Lewinsky, Eva Never put URLs in onclick (javascript:blabla *is* URL) Don't use href="#". Put meaningful link there, and avoid duplication by using this.href. Second attribute for window.open is window name and works l

Re: [WSG] Problems with floats in IE

Stuart, I regret to say Opera7.54u2 is not happy with it. fieldset p { clear: both; } BTW: Latest Opera 8 beta has issue with floating fieldsets fixed (well, mostly). -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ** The discussion list for http://webstan

Re: [WSG] "Onresize" Javascript function? Any standard equivalent?

Thanks, but when I tried to insert "onresize" into the tag it told me it was invalid. Sure, because inline JS is a technique of Ancient Netscapers. You should use DOM to attach events. I had a look at the "A List Apart" style switcher, but this is only if the user "clicks" on a link. It doesn

Re: [WSG] "Onresize" Javascript function? Any standard equivalent?

Hi everyone, I want to create a function that will swap a style sheet as you resize the browser, for instance, I have two style sheets, one with settings for "lower than<800x600", then a style sheet for any resolution "greater than>800x600", but imagine if someone resized the browser from 1024x7

Re: [WSG] wildcards in css selectors?

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:08:08 -, Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: a[href=http://www.foobar.com*] or a[href=*filename*] CSS3 has ^= selector. (Look it up in http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/ ...) or http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#attribute-selectors -- regards, Korn

Re: [WSG] is rgb(255,255,255) better than #ffffff or white?

I was just reading through the Web authoring standards document at http://www.htmlhelp.com/design/standards.html and I noticed the line Authors MAY use any legal markup to determine document colours, but SHOULD use RGB specifications to do so. Does that mean that hex values or color names are

Re: [WSG] Fieldset and Opera 7.5X

I've a problem with this page http://republicana.dk/kontakt.php (and the 2 other forms in that group) in Opera 7.5 on W2K system. I really can't figure out why they drop in Opera. They are OK in other browser I've installed on my system... FF, IE. This is known bug in Opera. Fieldsets ignore

Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?

Perhaps we need a simple page to link to, explaining what standards are for,in terms that the non-tech viewer can appreciate? I like that idea... -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://w

Re: [WSG] vertical drop-down menu

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:49 +, john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anybody recommend a tutorial and/or some examples of a standards-compliant menu with a vertical orientation? Specifically, I need something that allows the user to see the second-level options when you either click or mo

Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:30:53 -, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: color : windowtext; I understand (from my not very useful trawl of Google) that these are systemnames. What's this all about? Would it be useful, and if so, when? I use it for tag to fake user's win

Re: [WSG] Web counters

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:16:17 -0800, InfoForce Services <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hope this is not off topic. If it is, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is a good web standards web counter to add to a web site to monitor web site hits. Some counters will say that hitting the back button to

Re: [WSG] accessible ways to avoid spam

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:33:51 -0500, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm wondering if any of you have any tips on creative ways to keep spambots from harvesting email addresses on you page, and still keep then accessable to diabled people and text-browsers. Anyone else have any good so

Re: [WSG] setAttribute not working on Firefox

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:29:02 +1000, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: windowdiv.setAttribute("className",wclass); the classname is not being set windowdiv.className=wclass; works for me. -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - And some more

Netscape 4.x/All. IE4/Win is blank, wonder why? I'd say what I think about these browsers, but that kind of language is forbidden on this list ;) Use @import to hide CSS from these browsers. -- regards, Kornel Lesiński ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

I've just asked the W3C Validator. Test based on XHTML Strict. PCDATA, document text (like that): allows '"' and '>' everywhere, allows, but warns about '&' with non-letter after it (' & ', '&', '&123', '&# ' are fine), does not allow '&' followed by a letter. CDATA, attribute text (): allows '"

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:02:22 -0500, ByteDreams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? Yes. Experiments, some using CSS3, are in CSS section on literarymoose.info Gecko support som

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:38:32 -0500, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It would be nice, however if we had some standard about this that the browsers could at least be encouraged to implement. It might help with the goal of making older sites "viewable in any browser". If a free DTD or

Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:59:59 -0800, Ted Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The active id is giving you the opportunity to make that list item stand out from the others. The current id is giving you the opportunity to make the link stand out from the others. Why second ID instead of simply usin

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0400, The Snider's Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js";>http://www.statcounter.com/";>http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=XXX&java=0&security=XXX"; alt="free web site hit counter" />

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:30:58 -0400, The Snider's Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I am delurking as I may have the answer to your question :) I just found a free hit counter/tracker this morning that not only can include valid code but also valid xhtml code, a rare thing. You can see it

Re: [WSG] IE7 may ship ahead of Longhorn

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:57:17 +1100, Chris Blown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know why MS just don't do what Apple did with Safari and leverage an open source rendering engine like Gecko or KHtml. That doesn't fit world domination plan. MS must OWN everything. Oh, that's right they'd break all

Re: [WSG] DTD is a formality?

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:54:47 +0100, Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kornel Lesinski wrote: The issue at hand is that [productname] is completely compliant, but is more modern than HTML 4.01. If you remove the doctype tag, all your rendering issues should be resolved. T

Re: [WSG] IE7 Confirmed

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:03:01 +, David R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...Straight from Scoble's blog: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/02/15.html#a9441 This should prove interesting No... he used word "compatibility", which means that all bugs must remain untouched. They're just going to impl

Re: [WSG] DTD is a formality?

The issue at hand is that [productname] is completely compliant, but is more modern than HTML 4.01. If you remove the doctype tag, all your rendering issues should be resolved. This is sooo untrue. If they require invalid HTML, their product is NOT compiliant. If you remove doctype, browsers emul

Re: [WSG] Pages reloading

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:14 +0100, Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is reloading, so what's the problem? It depends on the line speed and cache how fast it will load the new page. So it may flicker sometimes, sometimes not. True. You can't do much about it. If your client can't stan

Re: [WSG] Links not working in MAC

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:06:04 -0330, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all, I have a page, http://www.m5i.com/m5hr/test.php, with a scroller but the links do not work in MAC IE 51, anyone have any ideas? Fix these problems first: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.m5i.com/m5hr/test.php

Re: [WSG] Not and IE bug?...follow up difference why a difference between IDs and classes?

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:40:49 -0500, Trusz, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: newbie questions... What is the advantage of the fact that IDs must be unique on a page? 1. getElementById() works. 2. Validation. If you use , validator will complain when you have two or more such divs (typical copy

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