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It says lol 5th of Jan anyone want to call him?
anybody know when Geoff is coming back??
I am on vacation until 5 January 2009.
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1. almost all browsers left-indent the legend element to some degree. They
use different amounts, with IE being slightly different to most other
browsers.
2. This may have been mentioned in the thread before but FireFox will not
allow the legend element to be positioned at all.
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Didn't notice - but how funny :)
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Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that sends an
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Hi Clare,
Roger Hudson recently wrote a detailed article on legends and fieldset -
including a series of movies showing both JAWS 9 and Window-Eyes 6.1 in
action.
The article is here:
http://www.usability.com.au/resources/wcag2/
The relevant movie is here:
Hi Folks,
In case you are interested...
Roger Hudson has written a detailed article called Accessible
Forms using WCAG 2.0. The article provides practical advice about the
preparation of accessible HTML forms.
http://www.usability.com.au/resources/wcag2/
More importantly, it compares the WCAG
The short answer is yes
Details of the accessibility of internet Explorer can be found in the
VPAT (voluntary product accessibility template) supplied by Microsoft:
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Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely
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http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html
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I'd go for something similar to your option 2:
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The advantage of using the abbr element instead of just the a is that
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CSS classes are for presentation.
Content is content.
Centering content is presentation.
Class names should not use keywords such as center.
centre is not a keyword and can be used.
The class centre can then be used anywhere centering is desired.
It is quite easy to remember what this
Pages that validate as strict are superior to transitional because
Because the strict doctype helps us follow one of the principles of best
practice - to remove all presentation from markup.
To do this fully, we should aim to remove all presentational elements and
attributes from our markup.
For example, I don't use the strict doctype because, its better, cooler
etc. I use it because it makes IE6 more predictable as the traditional
doctype puts the browser into quirks mode which makes for a few more css
display oddities.
This is not entirely correct. There is a confusion here
Hey Dory,
There are probably more detailed outline of all the differences but the ones
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So this is one of those famed IE 6 bugs that is hopefully going away
soon. Two issue sidebar shows up on top and not on the side and some of
the fields have a yellow background (less important issue)
Without looking in detail, when a column drops in IE6 there are normally 2
common reasons.
Try this explanation:
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I yet to devise an elegant solution centering all elements within
div#innerContainer. Would a gifted Standardista offer an elegant
backward compatible solution?
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when i view this site on the internet with nn4 the design breaks. i expected
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How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users
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Yes, I can predict.
IE8 goes on-line August 4th, 2009. Human decisions are removed from
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I can't speak for screen readers since I've never used one my self...
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strong* First Name/strong
Just something I thought of :)
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Have a read of these for the official definitions or descriptions of web
2.0:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.h
tml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2
A good slide show on the topic:
http://www.andybudd.com/presentations/dcontruct05/
Or, sit down with
May I also add that I do not trust this enough to add it to my flowchart
that I've done to illustrate MS proposal... (Which hits a nasty bug in
FFox!)
It is a very interesting chart (I haven't seen anyone map out the IE8
situation this well), but it also renders poorly in Safari (can't read a
Hi all,
Have you been following the discussions on the IE8 and compatibility for the
last couple of days? For those that haven't been following it (or have
deliberately run away to hide), here are a few articles to read :)
Here is how it all began...
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Hi Nick,
The sample code on this page you link to does not look ideal. As has been
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screen readers. And the use of a table element to lay out the form is a
little odd.
Unless I am missing something, I'd say it would be much
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Hi Tee,
Is it an Idiotic error?
Imagine you're blind...
Like a sighted user, you want to be able to skim across web pages rather
than having to read every single word.
For sighted users this is easy, as their eyes can grab snippets of content
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You have given a good reason, still, I think that criteria should
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(including screen reader
Is there a prevailing wisdom in this matter?
Content first? Or navigation first?
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Which idea of accessability should be imposed? Yours? Mine?
There are clearly defined ideas of accessibility for most countries - such
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http://www.section508.gov/
In
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Forgive me if I sound defeatist in this, but does anyone have any
ideas as to how to best markup a film in a webpage in a semantically
meaningful way?
Without opening another can of worms, there actually *is* a way to add
meaning to films - called SMIL - Synchronized Multimedia Integration
Whatever you do, avoid CSS in 10 minutes. The author was obviously a
drunken bum who knows nothing. Plus I have heard rumours there will be a CSS
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On my to-read list, and sitting on my desk, is Pro CSS Techniques. How
Pro this is though I
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a href=LINK title=Buy TITLE 1 nowBuy Now/a
a href=LINK title=Buy TITLE 2 nowBuy Now/a
a href=LINK title=Buy TITLE 3 nowBuy Now/a
a href=LINK title=Buy TITLE 4 nowBuy Now/a
a href=LINK title=Buy TITLE 5 nowBuy Now/a
This is an elegant solution but has one drawback.
The title attribute is
Not only that the dots look clunky, like a word document user who hasn't yet
discovered tabs, and so just uses stops or the space bar.
If the dots were essential, they should be created using CSS (definitely
presentational as they are there to help line up the two blocks of content).
This would
I smell troll
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Someone who posts controversial or provocative messages in a deliberate
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Is the submission form supposed to work? On both Firefox 1.5.0.1 and
Safari 2.0.3 on Mac OS X 10.4.5 I end up with a blank screen when
submitting my web site (dynamic using phpWebSite).
Try adding http://; in front of the web address before submitting. If the
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li a href=# class=onebla bla/a/li
li a href=# class=twobla/a/li
Start by thinking of the path from the body to the element you are trying to
select. In this case the path (we don't know
I'm working on my 4th WordPress template, but cannot figure
out why the sidebar drops down in IE view. It looks fine in
Firefox and Opera though. Can someone take a peek at the
stylesheet and tell this *newbie* what I'm missing?
Hi Artemis,
Rather than a solution, here is a possible method of
Do you mean like this?
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/liquid-background/
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Hi,
Can any one point me to a good example of how to do a css header with a
background image 100% wide, while having two distinct images on the far
left and right and they behave in a liquid manner as
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So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person even
see to read?
Minh,
Apart from screen readers that others have mentioned, there are also devices
such as refreshable braille devices, which transfer text into braille:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/russweakley/58957885/
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What I'm looking for is suggestions of better columnar layout in which
rather than the centre column dropping down, columns stay where they
should and the browser's horizontal scrollbar appears instead.
This problem is due to IE's rendering of content and containers. Other
browsers honour
Actually, when I examine your css more closely - you are already
doing this, although you havent applied a width to make the float
valid...
Apologies for being nitpicky here but a width does not need to be applied to
images that are floated as they already have intrinsic width.
A floated box
Without wanting to unleash too many ponies, I would be interested to know why
using 0(px | em | %) is so much of a standards blunder. I'm sure there some
obvious answer but for the life of me, I can't think of one :).
It's definitely not a standards blunder to add units to a 0 value, just
Just to be clear, unitless non-zero values are appropriate for
line-height http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#propdef-line-height
and are generally preferred, since computed values are not inherited.
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/line-height-inherit.html
A good point, Felix. Also
Adding a margin: 0px; to the H1 element pushed up to the top.
Remember, every time you add units to a 0 value, a web standards fairy
dies. To avoid this on your conscience, simply use margin: 0;. Apart from
the lives you could save, think of the bandwidth savings!
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As a far-from-guru-status Web Standards supporter/coder (I try) I have
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nice atmosphere when looking to these lists for help.
Completely agree. The
It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote,
which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no
difference, not something when I hovered the blockquote or right
clicked.
It is also possible to display the cite attribute using attribute selectors,
(except in
The flexibility of the title attribute (as opposed to the title element) can
be seen in the ever-exciting W3 technical reports. Two places that are
always a great read, and full of surprises are the List of attributes [1]
and List of elements [2].
The list of attributes shows the title and has
The impression I'm getting from the replies today are title as an
attribute, has inconsistent interpretation by most UA's. However, as
an element it is essential to the document. Is this interpretation
correct?
Steve's article would back up your comment that the title attribute is
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I have played with margins, padding, text align and text-indent. I even
removed the float on the container div and the problem persists.
Has anyone encountered this before?
A link to online sample of this problem, stripped back to just the problem
area, and a link to the stripped back css
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Hey Jose,
It seems that you are referring to the li elements within the
#contentright div?
I don¹t have IE in front of me but there is a known whitespace bug to do
with IE and list items.
There are a range of methods that can be used to fix it including:
1. floating the li
2. setting the a
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Can I ask all members to think of a
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