Re : [WSG] Safari now on Windows
The staff members of your enterprise in charge of selling services / web sites
can use the following text as an argument to not support IE Mac:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=internetexplorer
You can easily hide css by using the @import url('single_quote_hack.css');
About OS 9 users, from some tests I did at work, Mozilla has a better rendering
than IE 5 Mac. (Not objective tests) Due to lack of interests, mozilla stopped
it at the version 1.2. I guess you can easily find it thanks to google -
keyword : mozilla-macos9-1.2.1-stub.bin . It has been removed from the official
archives on mozilla.org since they recommend iCab :
http://www.mozilla.org/download.html#os9
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Objet : Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I recommend it to all those developers that are stuck in a Windows
environment - I have already fixed a few bugs I would have had to use my
bosses Mac to find!
My only concern is that at the moment, I can get away with It might not
look 100% in Safari, but it still works... With Safari on Iphone,
something which is almost guaranteed to be a raging success, I'm pretty
sure I wont be able to use that defense forever.
I bought a second-hand Mac G4 from a friend last year so I could test with
Mac browsers.
On most things I checked I did not see much difference in the rendering of
pages in Safari compared to Firefox... I normally have much more trouble
with IE.
iPhone might be a different thing altogether ..
just because a page renders nicely in Safari on a desktop machine doesn't
necessarely mean it is going to be very usable on a tiny screen!
(I haven't yet seen an iPhone but I assume the screen would be small like a
mobile phone screen...?)
Speaking of Mac browsers -
a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than
IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his
G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine)
now that is something to think about!
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Re: Re : [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Pierre-Henri Lavigne schreef: The staff members of your enterprise in charge of selling services / web sites can use the following text as an argument to not support IE Mac: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=internetexplorer They only recommend Safari and not Firefox or Opera of course as Safari is (or was) no competition on Windows. I wonder if they keep recommending it now this has changed and Safari may even trigger some interest in Apple/MacOS from Windows users. cheers, Sander *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Apple have released a new beta version with security patches: http://lists.apple.com/archives/Security-announce//2007/Jun/msg0.html Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Hi Come October or thereabouts there will be another KHTML browser in the form of Konquerer 4 on Windows. All good news for implementing web standards. Now I don't have to buy a Mac... Cheers James On 6/12/07, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On 6/11/07, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Ellis wrote: Now I don't have to buy a Mac... Then how will you test for Safari 1, 2, IE 5 Mac, etc? By posting to the Web Standards Group mailing list (with the subject line, Mac test please). -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On 6/12/07, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its beta, but at least apple could have a link to an online bug reporter.. Wasp posted this: http://webkit.org/quality/reporting.html From the sounds of it, they may get a few entries... -Alastair *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Gary Barber wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. I'm getting the same thing - no fonts render at all, including those that are part of the chrome, so I can't even type in any URLs... Pressing the bug report button caused my entire screen to blank out for about ten seconds, then it slowly came back a bit at a time but I have a black hole (with nicely rounded corners) where Safari used to be. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I've just downloaded Safari 3.0 (522.11.3) and I'm running it on Win XP Pro SP2 and have to say I haven't experienced any problems so far (touch wood). The fonts are fine, and I even used the bug report button - it took a long time, but didn't crash as others are reporting. FWIW I have been running iTunes and Quicktime on this machine - I wonder if that has anything to do with it? Simon Gary Barber wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. ~ simonmoss.co.uk Tel: 0117 908 3831 Mob: 07843 383395 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Simon Moss wrote: FWIW I have been running iTunes and Quicktime on this machine - I wonder if that has anything to do with it? I have Quicktime (which I've tried updating) but not iTunes. I also have Swift (open source webkit based browser) installed which may be upsetting things. I have found a way to get Safari to behave usefully, if not look very nice. Go to the Safari folder in Program Files, look in the 'Safari.resources' folder and delete the two .ttf files (Lucida Grande and Lucida Grande Bold). Safari will then display text on the web page and chrome, but the chrome is all rendered in Times Roman. Found here: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=993849 Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Well, I have quicktime and iTunes. I don't have Swift. I still got all the reported problems in my Win XP SP2: no fonts and crashing bug button. And no, deleting the two .ttf files didn't solve it. Roberto - Rob Crowther wrote: Simon Moss wrote: FWIW I have been running iTunes and Quicktime on this machine - I wonder if that has anything to do with it? I have Quicktime (which I've tried updating) but not iTunes. I also have Swift (open source webkit based browser) installed which may be upsetting things. I have found a way to get Safari to behave usefully, if not look very nice. Go to the Safari folder in Program Files, look in the 'Safari.resources' folder and delete the two .ttf files (Lucida Grande and Lucida Grande Bold). Safari will then display text on the web page and chrome, but the chrome is all rendered in Times Roman. -- Roberto Gorjão freelance designer and web designer personal site: www.castelosnoar.com PORTUGAL / BRAGA / PÓVOA DE LANHOSO *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I have to say that I have the same issue as Roberto, shame about safari looks like more of a alpha then beta.. On 12/06/07, Roberto Gorjão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I have quicktime and iTunes. I don't have Swift. I still got all the reported problems in my Win XP SP2: no fonts and crashing bug button. And no, deleting the two .ttf files didn't solve it. Roberto - Rob Crowther wrote: Simon Moss wrote: FWIW I have been running iTunes and Quicktime on this machine - I wonder if that has anything to do with it? I have Quicktime (which I've tried updating) but not iTunes. I also have Swift (open source webkit based browser) installed which may be upsetting things. I have found a way to get Safari to behave usefully, if not look very nice. Go to the Safari folder in Program Files, look in the 'Safari.resources' folder and delete the two .ttf files (Lucida Grande and Lucida Grande Bold). Safari will then display text on the web page and chrome, but the chrome is all rendered in Times Roman. -- Roberto Gorjão freelance designer and web designer personal site: www.castelosnoar.com PORTUGAL / BRAGA / PÓVOA DE LANHOSO *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
James Leslie wrote: Just to add to the confusion... I have winXP SP2 with quicktime installed (previously, not as part of the safari install) and am having no problems at all with it. Fonts all seem to render nicely, even the bug button brings up a bug reporting page for me directly. Me too, worked first time... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Doesn't work for me either and it gets stuck using 50% of CPU. Back to Firefox... Frederick On 6/12/07, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Leslie wrote: Just to add to the confusion... I have winXP SP2 with quicktime installed (previously, not as part of the safari install) and am having no problems at all with it. Fonts all seem to render nicely, even the bug button brings up a bug reporting page for me directly. Me too, worked first time... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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The Safari on Win XP is running smoothly on my machine -Sagnik On 6/12/07, Frederick Matzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't work for me either and it gets stuck using 50% of CPU. Back to Firefox... Frederick On 6/12/07, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Leslie wrote: Just to add to the confusion... I have winXP SP2 with quicktime installed (previously, not as part of the safari install) and am having no problems at all with it. Fonts all seem to render nicely, even the bug button brings up a bug reporting page for me directly. Me too, worked first time... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- :: Sagnik :: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Downloaded this even though the others at my office were scared to. Did some testing and seems to function very well, no crashing. Enjoy having the extra Apple feel on my PC :) Worth noting that Gmail ran about 5 times faster when loading emails than Firefox or IE, my guess is that the Ajax and Javascript support for this browser tops that of most others. Nice! Tim www.timpalac.com/blog/ AIM: TymArtist On 6/11/07, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Roberto Gorjão wrote: Well, I have quicktime and iTunes. I don't have Swift. I still got all the reported problems in my Win XP SP2: no fonts and crashing bug button. And no, deleting the two .ttf files didn't solve it. I think I've found most of the solution now, following reading this blog post: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/06/safari-3-is-half-baked-web-browser-from.html The problem appears to be the Font.plist file which is created as part of the user profile. I replaced mine with a copy from a colleague's machine (where it was working perfectly), copied the Lucida fonts back in, and now the browser chrome is rendering as expected. Still get some issues with particular fonts on web pages, but the browser chrome now looks right. I suspect the issue might be because I have a big pile of extra fonts installed on my machine over and above the standard ones shipped with Windows, or because one of those fonts is upsetting Safari, because an install I did on a VMWare machine worked fine. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Then how will you test for ... IE 5 Mac Like the rest of us - he won't :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I haven't had any trouble with it either. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sagnik Dey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13/06/07 12:59 AM The Safari on Win XP is running smoothly on my machine -Sagnik On 6/12/07, Frederick Matzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't work for me either and it gets stuck using 50% of CPU. Back to Firefox... Frederick On 6/12/07, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Leslie wrote: Just to add to the confusion... I have winXP SP2 with quicktime installed (previously, not as part of the safari install) and am having no problems at all with it. Fonts all seem to render nicely, even the bug button brings up a bug reporting page for me directly. Me too, worked first time... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- :: Sagnik :: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Rob I suspect you are onto something. I too have a very large number of fonts. problem is if you don't have a good Font.plis to copy from. -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com Rob Crowther wrote: Roberto Gorjão wrote: Well, I have quicktime and iTunes. I don't have Swift. I still got all the reported problems in my Win XP SP2: no fonts and crashing bug button. And no, deleting the two .ttf files didn't solve it. I think I've found most of the solution now, following reading this blog post: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/06/safari-3-is-half-baked-web-browser-from.html The problem appears to be the Font.plist file which is created as part of the user profile. I replaced mine with a copy from a colleague's machine (where it was working perfectly), copied the Lucida fonts back in, and now the browser chrome is rendering as expected. Still get some issues with particular fonts on web pages, but the browser chrome now looks right. I suspect the issue might be because I have a big pile of extra fonts installed on my machine over and above the standard ones shipped with Windows, or because one of those fonts is upsetting Safari, because an install I did on a VMWare machine worked fine. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Safari now on Windows
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Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I recommend it to all those developers that are stuck in a Windows environment - I have already fixed a few bugs I would have had to use my bosses Mac to find! My only concern is that at the moment, I can get away with It might not look 100% in Safari, but it still works... With Safari on Iphone, something which is almost guaranteed to be a raging success, I'm pretty sure I wont be able to use that defense forever. On 6/12/07, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I've just tried installing on XP SP2, behind a firewall, as soon as I enter authentication details it crashes. Yet at home on Vista it installed and worked fine. Perhaps firewall support is buggy at this stage. Bryan This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disclose or use the information contained within. If you have received it in error please return it to the sender via reply e-mail and delete any record of it from your system. The information contained within is not the opinion of Edith Cowan University in general and the University accepts no liability for the accuracy of the information provided. CRICOS IPC 00279B *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I recommend it to all those developers that are stuck in a Windows environment - I have already fixed a few bugs I would have had to use my bosses Mac to find! My only concern is that at the moment, I can get away with It might not look 100% in Safari, but it still works... With Safari on Iphone, something which is almost guaranteed to be a raging success, I'm pretty sure I wont be able to use that defense forever. I bought a second-hand Mac G4 from a friend last year so I could test with Mac browsers. On most things I checked I did not see much difference in the rendering of pages in Safari compared to Firefox... I normally have much more trouble with IE. iPhone might be a different thing altogether .. just because a page renders nicely in Safari on a desktop machine doesn't necessarely mean it is going to be very usable on a tiny screen! (I haven't yet seen an iPhone but I assume the screen would be small like a mobile phone screen...?) Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! Ah, nothing like a good bit of hardware AND software lock-in to make the user smile *ducks* *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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-- Lucien Stals Multimedia/Web Developer Academic Development and Support Swinburne University of Technology PO Box 218 Hawthorn, 3122, Australia email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone: +61 3 9214 4474 office: AD223 On 12/06/2007 at 12:21 pm, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iPhone might be a different thing altogether .. just because a page renders nicely in Safari on a desktop machine doesn't necessarely mean it is going to be very usable on a tiny screen! (I haven't yet seen an iPhone but I assume the screen would be small like a mobile phone screen...?) I think the price alone will keep uptake slow and low. Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! MS no longer support IE for Mac. Even the MS web site recommend people switch to safari (for Mac). I wonder what they will say now a Win version is available. You friend is caught in a marketing trap :( *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Lucien Stals TEL;WORK:4474 ORG:;Academic Development and Support EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:[EMAIL PROTECTED] N:Stals;Lucien END:VCARD *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I normally use the university macs for testing, the scary thing is they still have IE 5.5 as the default browser *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Michael MD wrote: Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! I ran into this problem a year or two ago, and the local sys admin explained that my best bet would probably be to use Netscape for Mac OS 9 instead. I ended up installing IE, Netscape and iCab and then switched back and forth depending on which site would work with which browser. It looks like you can actually get Netscape 7.02 for OS 9 (Mac PowerPC), which, while buggy, would still probably be better than IE5 in most cases: http://browser.netscape.com/downloads/archive/ Phil. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On the tool bar there is a big bug button, try that. :) Jake On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On 2007/06/12 12:21 (GMT+1000) Michael MD apparently typed: http://www.apple.com/safari/ Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! If all you use it for is running Safari or IE5 or Camino, a G3 is way more than plenty fast enough to run OS X. I have one, and it doesn't seem at all slow with 4 browsers open at once compared to W2K at 50% higher MHz. Just make sure it has plenty RAM, at least double a measly 128M. -- Respect everyone. I Peter 2:17 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Michael MD wrote: Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! Speaks volumes for the longevity of Macs, if you ask me. It's equivalent to saying, 'I can only run IE 4.x because I only have a 386 (486? What do I know?) processor and Win 95.' Or whatever. How many 386/486 machines do you still see out there? Tell your friend he should be able to run Netscape 7 without too much fuss. Cameron Singe wrote: I normally use the university macs for testing, the scary thing is they still have IE 5.5 as the default browser Nope. IE for Mac stopped at 5.2.3 - and don't make the mistake of comparing IE 5.x/Mac with IE5.x/Win. They're completely different programs; they just happen to have similar names. Felix Miata wrote: If all you use it for is running Safari or IE5 or Camino, a G3 is way more than plenty fast enough to run OS X. Yes, but Michael didn't say his friend was 'just' looking to use a browser. I got the impression he's still using his G3 for all his computing needs. There again, at least you can dual boot a G3. Stiil a pain to have to reboot just to surf the web... N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On 2007/06/12 14:40 (GMT+1000) Nick Gleitzman apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: If all you use it for is running Safari or IE5 or Camino, a G3 is way more than plenty fast enough to run OS X. Yes, but Michael didn't say his friend was 'just' looking to use a browser. I got the impression he's still using his G3 for all his computing needs. My point was that a 20th century G3 is perfectly adequate for a web developer on a limited hardware budget to use for Mac testing his web design work. Puters with GHz+ processor speeds simply aren't necessary to use web browsers and their plugins. -- Respect everyone. I Peter 2:17 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Press that and it hangs.. a bug activating a bug reporting tool, sweet! I know its beta, but at least apple could have a link to an online bug reporter.. -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com Jake Badger wrote: On the tool bar there is a big bug button, try that. :) Jake On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
It took a while, but it worked for me. Not that I'm claiming it's not buggy as anything. On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Press that and it hangs.. a bug activating a bug reporting tool, sweet! I know its beta, but at least apple could have a link to an online bug reporter.. -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com Jake Badger wrote: On the tool bar there is a big bug button, try that. :) Jake On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
iPhone might be a different thing altogether .. just because a page renders nicely in Safari on a desktop machine doesn't necessarely mean it is going to be very usable on a tiny screen! (I haven't yet seen an iPhone but I assume the screen would be small like a mobile phone screen...?) Point taken, however I am not just referring to visual appearance. More interested in functionality differences for web applications (AJAX and Javascript in general). I think Apples approach with the safari on the iphone is that it will work the same on all platforms, even XP/Vista now too. That 'hopefully' means that developing with testing for Safari in the present, *should* mean that it will just works on the iphone in the future... Just have to wait and see if that happens or not I guess. If you ask me, I think that the Iphone is probably the major reason for porting Safari to Windows in the first place. Developers will have less excuses not to develop sites capable of running on the latest apple gadget. If more sites work, more people will like the iphone and it will sell better. Im certainly in no hurry to pick one up - even knowing its going to be a few years before it gets off the ground here in Australia. Karl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Speaks volumes for the longevity of Macs, if you ask me. It's equivalent to saying, 'I can only run IE 4.x because I only have a 386 (486? What do I know?) processor and Win 95.' Or whatever. win95 on a 386 - forget it! you are probably talking about win3.1 :-) I had a 386 in the early 90s my first web pages were created using qEdit (dos text editor) and to see them I had to upload them to the server and use lynx to view them - with 2MB RAM I could not use Mosaic or Netscape1.1 and Arachne (home.arachne.cz) did not exist yet , which is why I didn't use images on anything until I got a pentium in about 1995 - lynx was for me the browser of choice for about 2 years! How many 386/486 machines do you still see out there? probably not many in this part of the world ... but elsewhere who knows? You still see heaps of Russian fidonet discussions gated to usenet... so who knows what people might still be using in that part of the world! regarding the friend using OS9... I think there may be other reasons he won't upgrade - such as other software he uses. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
