Re: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Gary Menzel
> I'm not sure why the browser wars were so damn > violent Two words "Market Share" The big companies realised, once the Internet started becoming popular outside of Universities and large organisations, that the Browser was the perfect conduit into people's homes (far moreso even than

Re: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread James Ellis
Hi > Isn't it time to say, "we now know what the users use" (even though we > don't agree with what they use) and completely forget about the rest? but this has already happened and look where we are at. > If we all would do this and set our pride aside, I reckon we might have > that dream we hav

RE: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Taco Fleur
Now, at least the browsers are starting to all adopt standards which is definitely less of a headache for us as designers and coders. Even though they all agree on the standards though, each browser has it's own agenda - even Mozilla's Firebird has its own special CSS element properties that c

RE: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Taco Fleur
BTW, You were 'web designing' in 1991...? -- You got me, no I did not create one of 130 first website in 1993. Don't make me think.. OK, I started in 1995-1996, it feels like 12 years though! > > - > Unfortunately, while we do vaguely know what *most* of the > users use

Re: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Ryan Christie
You still have cell phones and PDAs to worry about - using too many of those nice features might mean you bust the view for others. Besides, with Microsoft being the corporate giant they are, do you really believe they will throw in the towel to a team of open source developers? Bill Gates woul

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2003-12-10 Thread Mark . Lynch
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Re: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Ryan Christie
Taco- I think it's more of a complex situation than that. I'm sort of sick of all the browser hoopla as well, and I've only been into designing for 5 years. Back when I was a consumer in the browser wars, that was a good time as well - fun to kick back and watch the dust fly :) I doubt there w

Re: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Cade Whitbourn
Taco, The company that I work for at the moment cannot afford to say 'bye bye' to 5% of web users (let alone 2%) for the simple fact that 5% represents THOUSANDS of customers all wanting to pay us money to provide them with web services. BTW, You were 'web designing' in 1991...? > >

RE: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Mathew Patterson
-Original Message- From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Unfortunately, while we do vaguely know what *most* of the users use right now, we don't know at any point, for any particular site, what those *specific* users are browsing with, and what they will be brows

RE: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Taco Fleur
- Unfortunately, while we do vaguely know what *most* of the users use right now, we don't know at any point, for any particular site, what those *specific* users are browsing with, and what they will be browsing with in the future. - Is it really still vague? If

RE: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Mathew Patterson
-Original Message- From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Why do so many designers still use and code for browsers > that are not within the top highest browser market share? > Isn't it time to say, "we now know what the users use" > (even though we don't agree with what they us

[WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Taco Fleur
Title: Browser Engine Standard??? Will there ever be such a thing as a Standard Browser Engine/Parser or what ever you want to call it? 12 years ago when I first started web design I was already sick of the differences between how browsers display and handle things, back then I figured that