Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On 27/11/07 (23:43) Al said: I also caution the original questioner to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0 Fear not, Al, I take buzzwords like that with a large pinch of salt. In choosing to refer to Jeremy Keith's book DOM Scripting: Web Design with JavaScript and the Document Object Model I was influenced not by fashionable phrases du jour but by the near-unanimous praise that it seems to garner, both here on the list and elsewhere. I likewise agree that absolutes can be problematic, and I am instinctively wary of dogmatism, in any form. My objective here is to teach myself Javascript in a way consistent with web standards and whatever is deemed 'best practice' at this point. Whilst I would partially agree with what Breton Slivka said (I have no belief in the concept that knowledge can corrupt, and that somehow innaccurate information will poison your mind) my own experience is that it is better, if possible, to something the 'right' way (or at least one of several 'right' ways) than to learn something in a 'make do' way and potentially have to unlearn a lot of less-then-perfect techniques and practices at a later date. I find un-learning hard to do, and I'll avoid having to do so if I can. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said: As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and examples that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if it tells you to use things like: document.write inline event handlers (like onclick) browser sniffing This is quite a simple list but a good one to get started with! Sorry to return to this thread so late in the day, but I'm just at the point of perhaps trying my hand at Javascript for the first time (never been a programmer, aside from a bit of simplistic Actionscript) and remembered reading this thread so I thought I'd give it another once-over. Ross's warnings about avoiding old school techniques are well taken; the problem I have is that I know so completely and utterly nothing about Javascript at this stage that I can't even judge from the book that I have whether they are advocating these techniques or not. The book in question is the 6th edition of Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax; I bought it a few months back in anticipation of dipping my toes in the JS ocean, but in light of the best practice discussions in this thread I don't want to waste my time on the 'wrong' book. Now, I could wade through it and try to learn enough to decipher precisely what it is advocating, but that could take a while. So I thought, as a first port of call, I'd ask the list and see if anyone here has any experience with this book and can advise me of whether or not it falls foul of the crimes that Ross points out. In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead? (Just trying to save myself some time is all) TIA... -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Rick, on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 13:50 Web Standards Group wrote: On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said: document.write inline event handlers (like onclick) browser sniffing In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead? If you are just starting, you should read a book for beginners that introduces you to to language and it's structure. Learn about objects, functions, datatypes, control structures ... If you find one of the keywords, that Russ listed before, your alarm bells should ring. Keep on reading, but start thinking why this is bad. (You can always return to the list and ask...) Once you feel familiar with the language, switch to Jeremy's book. It's very well written, but you should have an idea how JS works. You will find the answers to your questions in this book. When you know about JS and DomScripting it's time to jump on the AJAX-train, but not before you know the basics. Good luck! Martin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said: Hi Rick, I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive DOM scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around for ages. I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that it may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too. Hope that helps, James Thanks James, that's really helpful. I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book, truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
I would endorse any recommendations for Jeremy Keith's book. Superb stuff! I would say it's a great place to start. You need to understand all the issues he raises such as degradation (in the event of the client having JS switched off in the browser etc. JK just has such a good way of explaining a good DOM scripting approach. Sorry, I don't know the book you have. HTH Peter Goddard Developer/Programmer PSI Global Ltd, Bowburn, Durham DH6 5AD, UK T: +44 (0) 191 3774742 F: +44 (0) 191 3770769 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat Sent: 27 November 2007 14:05 To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said: Hi Rick, I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive DOM scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around for ages. I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that it may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too. Hope that helps, James Thanks James, that's really helpful. I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book, truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
How do you feel it compared with Heilmann's book Javascript development with dom scripting and ajax Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Peter Goddard wrote: I would endorse any recommendations for Jeremy Keith's book. Superb stuff! I would say it's a great place to start. You need to understand all the issues he raises such as degradation (in the event of the client having JS switched off in the browser etc. JK just has such a good way of explaining a good DOM scripting approach. Sorry, I don't know the book you have. HTH Peter Goddard Developer/Programmer PSI Global Ltd, Bowburn, Durham DH6 5AD, UK T: +44 (0) 191 3774742 F: +44 (0) 191 3770769 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat Sent: 27 November 2007 14:05 To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said: Hi Rick, I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive DOM scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around for ages. I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that it may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too. Hope that helps, James Thanks James, that's really helpful. I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book, truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On Nov 28, 2007 12:14 AM, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 13:50 Web Standards Group wrote: On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said: document.write inline event handlers (like onclick) browser sniffing In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead? If you are just starting, you should read a book for beginners that introduces you to to language and it's structure. Learn about objects, functions, datatypes, control structures ... If you find one of the keywords, that Russ listed before, your alarm bells should ring. Keep on reading, but start thinking why this is bad. (You can always return to the list and ask...) Once you feel familiar with the language, switch to Jeremy's book. It's very well written, but you should have an idea how JS works. You will find the answers to your questions in this book. When you know about JS and DomScripting it's time to jump on the AJAX-train, but not before you know the basics. Good luck! Martin I'm sorry if this comes across as inflammatory (if this post pisses you off just feel free to ignore it. I have bad luck with the tone of my emails sometimes). But... is this really how anyone here came to learn javascript? Really? Or is it just how you wish you learned it? Personally, I have a very difficult time retaining knowledge unless it proves immediately useful- and knowing only a few javascript control structures doesn't strike me as something that you can put to use right away. Most of the people I know who know javascript- came to know it by jumping right in and trying to get some specific thing done. Either they had a project that called for it, and they found some dodgy tutorial, and got it out the door, or they had to pick through someone else's javascript. It's only in the context of this initial taste of javascript that these reccomendations for or against certain techniques make any sense. Otherwise you may as well be talking about the finer points of martian politics. As for this Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) in all probability, given my general previous experience with visual quickstart guides, it's probably awful, and innaccurate, and written by someone who is only barely competant. However, I think you should read it anyway, especially if it gets you to the point of getting something (anything) *actually working* very fast. You can worry about best practice after you get the hang of getting things working. I say this because I have no belief in the concept that knowledge can corrupt, and that somehow innaccurate information will poison your mind. This only happens if you're a gullible idiot, and I tend towards giving people more credit than assuming that they are a gullible idiot. Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is, you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and actually working in the language the quickest. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is, you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and actually working in the language the quickest. I recommend Flanagan's book highly. I also caution the original questioner to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0. And to a previous poster, there are times when even the most accomplished scripter might need to use document.write or an inline handler. Be wary of absolutes and, when convenient, check the actual work of some of these authors and you might be surprised - or not :-) -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is, you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and actually working in the language the quickest. I recommend Flanagan's book highly. I also caution the original questioner to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0. And to a previous poster, there are times when even the most accomplished scripter might need to use document.write or an inline handler. Be wary of absolutes and, when convenient, check the actual work of some of these authors and you might be surprised - or not :-) For some javascript video entertainment: Douglas Crockford (Yahoo! javascript blokie) has some videos on his site... Video: JavaScript Video: The Theory of the Dom Video: Advanced JavaScript Video: Browser Wars Video: Quality Video: JavaScript: The Good Parts Video: The State of Ajax http://javascript.crockford.com/ ...in the first one (IIRC) he recommends that O'Reilly book as the only one worth considering. However I'm not sure how old that video is compared to some of the books mentioned in this thread. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Word to Dave. This book is awesome. I've slowly been trying to increase my knowledge of programming, rather than scripting, and I don't think you could do better than Simply Javascript. All the best! -- Penny Haslop pennyhaslop.com On Nov 14, 2007 8:31 AM, Dave Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in a similar position and recently bought the Simply JavaScript book from SitePoint... it's easy to understand and all the books I've seen of theirs in the past have been up to date and use the latest standards so I presume I'm learning the correct way as apposed to following out of date and bad practice tutorials online. http://www.sitepoint.com/books/javascript1/?SID=8a6e5ef267535b16d9b4f5c5b54a008d Hope that helps. Dave - - - - - - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk -- Penny Haslop pennyhaslop.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Ross Bruniges wrote: As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and examples that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if it tells you to use things like: I generally agree, however: document.write If it's only discussed, but not recommended, it's OK. inline event handlers (like onclick) OK only on an introductory level, but should recommend and explain the better ways. browser sniffing This is OK only as an advanced topic as it's useful only in unusual situations. As a standard practice it shouldn't be used. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too. Thats the one i purchased yesterday. Very good read! On Nov 14, 2007 10:02 PM, Olly Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 9:44 PM, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Mason wrote: I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand: http://www.quirksmode.org/book/ http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too. -- Olly http://thinkdrastic.net/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Where true! As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and examples that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if it tells you to use things like: document.write inline event handlers (like onclick) browser sniffing This is quite a simple list but a good one to get started with! Ross Bruniges - Original Message From: Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2007 10:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript On 14 Nov 2007, at 22:56, Lars Michael Sørensen wrote: I recommend http://www.tizag.com/javascriptT/ - they have a lot of other tutorials as well. Very easy to follow, all the way through. I would recommend avoiding that tutorial - it teaches some techniques which should never be used by anybody with an interest in making usable and accessible sites. Generally speaking it will get you to the level we were at when Netscape Navigator 3 was the target browser, which was over ten years ago. There are much better techniques available for modern scripting. I would recommend (in no particular order - look through them in a shop and pick an author whose style you like): DOM Scripting by Jeremy Keith, ppk on JavaScript by Peter-Paul Koch, David Flanagan's JavaScript: The Definitive Guide and Chris Heilmann's Beginning JavaScript with DOM Scripting and Ajax. Also, Chris H has an online course at http://onlinetools.org/ articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ which will help you unlearn the bad things learnt from the tiza.com tutorial ;-). Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons Member, WaSP DOM Scripting TF http://webstandards.org/action/dstf/ http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
thanks for the info. Now I can start all over... :-/ /lmss 2007/11/15, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 14 Nov 2007, at 22:56, Lars Michael Sørensen wrote: I recommend http://www.tizag.com/javascriptT/ - they have a lot of other tutorials as well. Very easy to follow, all the way through. I would recommend avoiding that tutorial - it teaches some techniques which should never be used by anybody with an interest in making usable and accessible sites. Generally speaking it will get you to the level we were at when Netscape Navigator 3 was the target browser, which was over ten years ago. There are much better techniques available for modern scripting. I would recommend (in no particular order - look through them in a shop and pick an author whose style you like): DOM Scripting by Jeremy Keith, ppk on JavaScript by Peter-Paul Koch, David Flanagan's JavaScript: The Definitive Guide and Chris Heilmann's Beginning JavaScript with DOM Scripting and Ajax. Also, Chris H has an online course at http://onlinetools.org/ articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ which will help you unlearn the bad things learnt from the tiza.com tutorial ;-). Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons Member, WaSP DOM Scripting TF http://webstandards.org/action/dstf/ http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob --- Hi Rob, I'm just starting to get into JavaScript having spent the last couple of years also working primarily with HTML/CSS and accessibility. I'm finding Jeremy Keith's DOM Scripting very easy to read and understand, so would recommend it. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Rob Mason wrote: I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand: http://www.quirksmode.org/book/ -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
On Nov 14, 2007 9:44 PM, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Mason wrote: I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand: http://www.quirksmode.org/book/ http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too. -- Olly http://thinkdrastic.net/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
I recommend http://www.tizag.com/javascriptT/ - they have a lot of other tutorials as well. Very easy to follow, all the way through. /lmss 2007/11/14, Olly Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Nov 14, 2007 9:44 PM, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Mason wrote: I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand: http://www.quirksmode.org/book/ http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too. -- Olly http://thinkdrastic.net/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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One thought. Being Web Standards Group, look for Unobtrusive JavaScript. Google helps :) Bruce bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Rob Mason To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob -- Rob Mason t/a Sponge Project www.spongeproject.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Javascript is a big subject, and generally can't be summarized or simplified sensibly unless there's some particular aspect of it that you're especially interested in. Are you looking for something like a quick overview of the language itself, or perhaps some tutorial for getting a particular task done? Perhaps a better question to ask is, why do you need JavaScript? The answer to that will inform what kind of tutorial to look for. -Breton On Nov 14, 2007 6:18 AM, Rob Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob -- Rob Mason t/a Sponge Project www.spongeproject.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Hi Rob, I know how you feel, but once you get to grips with a few simple examples you will find it's not as scary as you think, it's like anything else the more you practice the better and more familiar you will become. I recommend buying Jeremy Keith's book called Dom http://www.amazon.com/DOM-Scripting-Design-JavaScript-Document/dp/159059533 5/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-3623566-8462356?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1194983274sr=8-1 Scripting as a start. Good Luck Robin Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob -- Rob Mason t/a Sponge Project www.spongeproject.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Rob Mason wrote: Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob -- Rob Mason t/a Sponge Project www.spongeproject.co.uk http://www.spongeproject.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM You may want to check out the book called Javascript for the world wide web visual quickstart guide. http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-World-Wide-Web-Negrino/dp/0321423348/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1194984888sr=8-1 That is not an affiliate link but amazon has it for $12.99 plus shipping there. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Kevin Lennon n:Lennon;Kevin org:Lake Area Webs adr:;;227 Fire Tower Road;Milford;PA;18337;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Web Design Developer tel;home:570-296-3865 url:http://www.lakeareawebs.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
I'm in a similar position and recently bought the Simply JavaScript book from SitePoint... it's easy to understand and all the books I've seen of theirs in the past have been up to date and use the latest standards so I presume I'm learning the correct way as apposed to following out of date and bad practice tutorials online. http://www.sitepoint.com/books/javascript1/?SID=8a6e5ef267535b16d9b4f5c5b54a008d Hope that helps. Dave - - - - - - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 13/11/2007, Kevin Lennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Mason wrote: Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob -- Rob Mason t/a Sponge Project www.spongeproject.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM You may want to check out the book called Javascript for the world wide web visual quickstart guide. http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-World-Wide-Web-Negrino/dp/0321423348/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1194984888sr=8-1 That is not an affiliate link but amazon has it for $12.99 plus shipping there. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Rob Mason wrote: I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. A little of both... http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/javascript/important http://beginningjavascript.com/ regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
