RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 and fieldset elements

[Barry]

I agree, don't understand why you would want to use a fieldset for navigation. 
always use the UL,OL,DL depending on navigation type.

It also doesn't have to be housed with-in a div, unless it is required for some 
other reason than positioning. As a UL is a block level element and position in 
the same manner as a div!

Hope this helps

>I would generally avoid a fieldset for navigation item's. If you can
>accomplish the effect you want with div's then use your div's. The main time
>a fieldset is used is to hold form element's.
>
>This is from the W3C site http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/
>
>The following HTML 4.01 mechanisms group content and make it easier to
>understand.:
>
>* Use FIELDSET to group form controls into semantic units and describe
>the group with the LEGEND element.
>* Use OPTGROUP to organize long lists of menu options into smaller
>groups..
>* Use tables for tabular data and describe the table with CAPTION.
>* Group table rows and columns with THEAD, TBODY, TFOOT, and COLGROUP.
>* Nest lists with UL, OL, and DL.
>* Use section headings (H1 - H6) to create structured documents and
>break up long stretches of text. Refer to the following section for more
>information.
>* Break up lines of text into paragraphs (with the P element).
>* Group related links. Refer to the section Grouping and bypassing links
>
>All of these grouping mechanisms should be used when appropriate and
>natural, i.e., when the information lends itself to logical groups. Content
>developers should not create groups randomly, as this will confuse all
>users.
>
>Your list is using the  and  selector's which the fieldset element
>is not designed to work with
>
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Adam Cooper
>Sent: 30 July 2008 02:35
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3 and fieldset elements
>
>Hi all,
>
>Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on this -
>I have a relatively positioned element with a nav element inside this.
>
>* The relatively positioned element has a 4em top margin and 40px top  
>padding.
>
>* The nav element is positioned absolutely (top 0; right 25px) with a  
>negative top margin the same as it's height (3em).
>
>If the relatively positioned element is a div, this displays fine in  
>Safari 3, FF3 and Opera 9.5.
>However, if I change this element to a fieldset, it breaks under FF3.
>
>http://www.perkler.com/ff3_problem/div.html
>http://www.perkler.com/ff3_problem/fieldset.html
>
>To make matters worse, Firebug reports no difference in the computed  
>styles between the div and fieldset elements.
>In fact, when using Firebug to highlight the navigation element, it  
>shows a "ghost" element where the navigation should be.
>
>The problem is the same whether the page is served as text/html or  
>application/xml+xhtml.
>
>Cheers,
>Adam
>
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RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 and fieldset elements

[Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd]

I would generally avoid a fieldset for navigation item's. If you can
accomplish the effect you want with div's then use your div's. The main time
a fieldset is used is to hold form element's.

This is from the W3C site http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/

The following HTML 4.01 mechanisms group content and make it easier to
understand.:

* Use FIELDSET to group form controls into semantic units and describe
the group with the LEGEND element.
* Use OPTGROUP to organize long lists of menu options into smaller
groups..
* Use tables for tabular data and describe the table with CAPTION.
* Group table rows and columns with THEAD, TBODY, TFOOT, and COLGROUP.
* Nest lists with UL, OL, and DL.
* Use section headings (H1 - H6) to create structured documents and
break up long stretches of text. Refer to the following section for more
information.
* Break up lines of text into paragraphs (with the P element).
* Group related links. Refer to the section Grouping and bypassing links

All of these grouping mechanisms should be used when appropriate and
natural, i.e., when the information lends itself to logical groups. Content
developers should not create groups randomly, as this will confuse all
users.

Your list is using the  and  selector's which the fieldset element
is not designed to work with


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Behalf Of Adam Cooper
Sent: 30 July 2008 02:35
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3 and fieldset elements

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on this -
I have a relatively positioned element with a nav element inside this.

* The relatively positioned element has a 4em top margin and 40px top  
padding.

* The nav element is positioned absolutely (top 0; right 25px) with a  
negative top margin the same as it's height (3em).

If the relatively positioned element is a div, this displays fine in  
Safari 3, FF3 and Opera 9.5.
However, if I change this element to a fieldset, it breaks under FF3.

http://www.perkler.com/ff3_problem/div.html
http://www.perkler.com/ff3_problem/fieldset.html

To make matters worse, Firebug reports no difference in the computed  
styles between the div and fieldset elements.
In fact, when using Firebug to highlight the navigation element, it  
shows a "ghost" element where the navigation should be.

The problem is the same whether the page is served as text/html or  
application/xml+xhtml.

Cheers,
Adam

  


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[WSG] Firefox 3 and fieldset elements

[Adam Cooper]

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on this -
I have a relatively positioned element with a nav element inside this.

* The relatively positioned element has a 4em top margin and 40px top  
padding.


* The nav element is positioned absolutely (top 0; right 25px) with a  
negative top margin the same as it's height (3em).


If the relatively positioned element is a div, this displays fine in  
Safari 3, FF3 and Opera 9.5.

However, if I change this element to a fieldset, it breaks under FF3.

http://www.perkler.com/ff3_problem/div.html
http://www.perkler.com/ff3_problem/fieldset.html

To make matters worse, Firebug reports no difference in the computed  
styles between the div and fieldset elements.
In fact, when using Firebug to highlight the navigation element, it  
shows a "ghost" element where the navigation should be.


The problem is the same whether the page is served as text/html or  
application/xml+xhtml.


Cheers,
Adam

 



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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

[Alastair Campbell]

Ken McInnes wrote:
> Most browsers will render this OK, BUT Firefox 3 WILL NOT.
> It just renders the page with nothing on it. :-(

I had a similar issue a fwe years ago in IE6, where a script tag with
nothing inside (i.e. ) would cause IE6 to show a
blank screen, although I think it was in a particular environment, as
it doesn't always happen.

Re: Element Minimization and Empty Element Content
Doesn't that mean the validators should catch it?

Cheers,

-Alastair


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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

[Сергей Кириченко]

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/scripts.html#edef-SCRIPT

"*Start tag: required, End tag: required*"

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#prohibitions

"C.3. Element Minimization and Empty Element Content

Given an empty instance of an element whose content model is not EMPTY (for
example, an empty title or paragraph) do not use the minimized form (e.g.
use   and not )."

or you don't like firefox loves standarts?



2008/6/24 Ken McInnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> G'day all,
>
> Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with Firefox 2
> rendering.
>
> If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the validators will not
> pick it up as a problem
> - is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and
> - it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head')
>
> Most browsers will render this OK, BUT Firefox 3 WILL NOT.
> It just renders the page with nothing on it. :-(
>
> All the pages that I detected this issue were xhtml 1.0 strict, without xml
> declarations, served up as 'text/html'.
> [ Do not have time to experiment at present - up to the eyebrows in
> marking. ]
>
> Just thought I would pass it on, as it is worth a quick search of your
> webpage coding to see if you have this issue.
>
> BTW, as a Uni lecturer in Internet Technologies / Web Development I have
> seen lots of html coding problems / validation problems when students do
> things like close 'img' or 'input' elements and validators do not pick it up
> - but have not detected any problems with the script element before.
>
> Browsers are usually to  forgiving of sloppy code and will render just
> about anything, but this is an interesting change.
>
> regards
>
> Ken McInnes
> Adjuct Teaching Fellow
> Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
> Swinburne University of Technology
> P O Box 218
> Hawthorn,  Victoria3122
> Australia
>
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

[Svip]

I believe this problem has always exited in Firefox.  Though, I have
no idea why...

/me strokes beard.

Regards,
Svip

2008/6/24 Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  works
>  doesn't
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:38 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow
>> the issue...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken McInnes
>> >Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:55 AM
>> >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>> >Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'
>> >
>> >G'day all,
>> >
>> >Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with
>> >Firefox 2 rendering.
>> >
>> >If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the
>> >validators will not pick it up as a problem
>> > - is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and
>> > - it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head')
>> >
>>
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

[Matijs]

 works
 doesn't



On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:38 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow
> the issue...
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken McInnes
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:55 AM
> >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> >Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'
> >
> >G'day all,
> >
> >Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with
> >Firefox 2 rendering.
> >
> >If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the
> >validators will not pick it up as a problem
> > - is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and
> > - it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head')
> >
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RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

[michael.brockington]

Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow
the issue...

Regards,
Mike

 

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken McInnes
>Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:55 AM
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'
>
>G'day all,
>
>Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with 
>Firefox 2 rendering.
>
>If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the 
>validators will not pick it up as a problem
> - is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and
> - it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head')
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Paul Collins]

Thanks for your replies everyone. I finally got both versions working!


2008/6/23 Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 2008/06/23 11:42 (GMT+0100) Steve Green apparently typed:
>
>> You can still get some old versions from the Mozilla FTP site at
>> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/
>
>> It's ludicrous that they have removed some old versions - can they really
>> not afford the disk space? Obviously users should not be installing old
>> versions but developers and testers still need them for testing. We download
>> and store all the English versions but it's not practical to save all the
>> localised versions too.
>
> They should still be there, but on
> http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ . That is
> currently redirecting to
> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ which I think
> is broken behavior.
> ftp://archive.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases works.
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[WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

[Ken McInnes]

G'day all,

Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with Firefox 2 
rendering.


If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the validators will 
not pick it up as a problem

- is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and
- it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head')

Most browsers will render this OK, BUT Firefox 3 WILL NOT.
It just renders the page with nothing on it. :-(

All the pages that I detected this issue were xhtml 1.0 strict, without 
xml declarations, served up as 'text/html'.
[ Do not have time to experiment at present - up to the eyebrows in 
marking. ]


Just thought I would pass it on, as it is worth a quick search of your 
webpage coding to see if you have this issue.


BTW, as a Uni lecturer in Internet Technologies / Web Development I have 
seen lots of html coding problems / validation problems when students do 
things like close 'img' or 'input' elements and validators do not pick 
it up - but have not detected any problems with the script element before.


Browsers are usually to  forgiving of sloppy code and will render 
just about anything, but this is an interesting change.


regards

Ken McInnes
Adjuct Teaching Fellow
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
P O Box 218
Hawthorn,  Victoria3122
Australia



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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/06/23 11:42 (GMT+0100) Steve Green apparently typed:

> You can still get some old versions from the Mozilla FTP site at
> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/

> It's ludicrous that they have removed some old versions - can they really
> not afford the disk space? Obviously users should not be installing old
> versions but developers and testers still need them for testing. We download
> and store all the English versions but it's not practical to save all the
> localised versions too.

They should still be there, but on
http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ . That is
currently redirecting to
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ which I think
is broken behavior.
ftp://archive.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases works.
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RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Steve Green]

You can still get some old versions from the Mozilla FTP site at
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/
 
It's ludicrous that they have removed some old versions - can they really
not afford the disk space? Obviously users should not be installing old
versions but developers and testers still need them for testing. We download
and store all the English versions but it's not practical to save all the
localised versions too.
 
Steve
 
 

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Behalf Of Sagnik Dey
Sent: 23 June 2008 11:21
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate



Hi Paul,

You can download Firefox Ver 2.0 from .

http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.htm 

This is a very good website for downloading older appz.

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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Hi all,

Thanks for your replies to this thread last week. I'm on a PC today
and trying to get both versions of Firefox running, the only issue is,
I can't find where to download version 2 of Firefox anymore! Mozilla
have made it very hard to find previous versions

Does anyone know where you can get version 2?!

Cheers

2008/6/19 Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> select custom install and install it to another directory (something like
/Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side.
>
> You can do this with Opera too.
> :)
> Paul
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Paul Collins]

Thanks Sagnik, that is a good site!


2008/6/23 Sagnik Dey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> You can download Firefox Ver 2.0 from .
>
> http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.htm
>
> This is a very good website for downloading older appz.
>
> --
> Cheers to life
>
> Sagnik ::
> 26four79.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks for your replies to this thread last week. I'm on a PC today
>> and trying to get both versions of Firefox running, the only issue is,
>> I can't find where to download version 2 of Firefox anymore! Mozilla
>> have made it very hard to find previous versions
>>
>> Does anyone know where you can get version 2?!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> 2008/6/19 Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > select custom install and install it to another directory (something
>> > like /Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side.
>> >
>> > You can do this with Opera too.
>> > :)
>> > Paul
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Joshua Street]

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/all-older.html

That's the official source.

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for your replies to this thread last week. I'm on a PC today
> and trying to get both versions of Firefox running, the only issue is,
> I can't find where to download version 2 of Firefox anymore! Mozilla
> have made it very hard to find previous versions
>
> Does anyone know where you can get version 2?!
>
> Cheers
>
> 2008/6/19 Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > select custom install and install it to another directory (something like
> /Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side.
> >
> > You can do this with Opera too.
> > :)
> > Paul
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Sagnik Dey]

Hi Paul,

You can download Firefox Ver 2.0 from .

http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.htm

This is a very good website for downloading older appz.

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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for your replies to this thread last week. I'm on a PC today
> and trying to get both versions of Firefox running, the only issue is,
> I can't find where to download version 2 of Firefox anymore! Mozilla
> have made it very hard to find previous versions
>
> Does anyone know where you can get version 2?!
>
> Cheers
>
> 2008/6/19 Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > select custom install and install it to another directory (something like
> /Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side.
> >
> > You can do this with Opera too.
> > :)
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Paul Collins]

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies to this thread last week. I'm on a PC today
and trying to get both versions of Firefox running, the only issue is,
I can't find where to download version 2 of Firefox anymore! Mozilla
have made it very hard to find previous versions

Does anyone know where you can get version 2?!

Cheers

2008/6/19 Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> select custom install and install it to another directory (something like 
> /Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side.
>
> You can do this with Opera too.
> :)
> Paul
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RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Paul Bennett]

select custom install and install it to another directory (something like 
/Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side.

You can do this with Opera too.
:)
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3

[Sam Sherlock]

all I have to do is create had to do was create a new profile and set
shortcuts to
load ff3 with the new profile.

heres some info
http://blog.codefront.net/2007/08/20/how-to-have-firefox-3-and-firefox-2-running-at-the-same-time/

2008/6/18 Sajan Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> It will replace the version 2 with the new one, and many of the plugins
> that works on version 2 gets disable since they aren't compatible. I did a
> mistake updating.
>
> Sajan
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On 2008/06/18 13:17 (GMT+0100) Paul Collins apparently typed:
>>
>> > Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
>> > it run side by side?!
>>
>> It doesn't have to. There are instructions on the mozilla.org developer
>> pages
>> for running as many concurrent versions of Gecko products as you wish. The
>> particulars depend on your environment. Linux & Mac & Win don't all work
>> exactly the same.
>>
>> Don't install as replacement before checking if extensions you depend on
>> are
>> ready for it.
>> --
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>>
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3

[Sajan Franco]

It will replace the version 2 with the new one, and many of the plugins that
works on version 2 gets disable since they aren't compatible. I did a
mistake updating.

Sajan

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 2008/06/18 13:17 (GMT+0100) Paul Collins apparently typed:
>
> > Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
> > it run side by side?!
>
> It doesn't have to. There are instructions on the mozilla.org developer
> pages
> for running as many concurrent versions of Gecko products as you wish. The
> particulars depend on your environment. Linux & Mac & Win don't all work
> exactly the same.
>
> Don't install as replacement before checking if extensions you depend on
> are
> ready for it.
> --
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> foudation?"Matthew 7:12 NIV
>
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Luke Hoggett]

Firebug (1.20b3 seems stable) and web developer toolbar both are now 
compatible with FF3. Make sure you get the versions from the Mozilla 
Add-ons pages as these are currently the most up to date.


On a PC if you need to run both FF3and FF2 you can run the portable 
versions of either of them from 
http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable. 
 check the 
bottom of the page for FF2 links. On a mac do a search for portable or 
standalone firefox and there are instructions around showing you how to 
set up a second profile so that they don't interfere with each other.


Jason Grant wrote:

It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work 
with.

FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so 
crucial for us of course.


Regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com/semantix 

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> wrote:


Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
it run side by side?!

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[kate]

Got it Cortney thanks!
Great little addon it is too.
Kate
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate



Nope - I have firebug n FF 2 and am on a PC (I also have a slew of other
awesome extensions too)

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:52 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

Can some kind person tell me..

..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC.
Thanks
Kate
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To: "Web Standards Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate



Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as
Moz,
Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop
and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz
related browsers is that you can only open one at a time.


on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote:


Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
it run side by side?!

Cheers





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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Stewart Griffiths]

firebug 1.2 works fine on FF3 and is available from the add-ons on the
mozilla site:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843

Stew

2008/6/18 Ken Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Quoting kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>  Ken,
>> Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my FF3
>> at least.
>> This was at the Mozilla site.
>>
>
> [snip]
>
>  Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area.
>>> 
>>>
>>
> I just went to the above site and it's there with no problems. I downloaded
> it this morning. It works fine on a PC.
>
> Ken
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Ken Robinson]

Quoting kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Ken,
Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my FF3
at least.
This was at the Mozilla site.


[snip]


Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area.



I just went to the above site and it's there with no problems. I  
downloaded it this morning. It works fine on a PC.


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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Dave Woods]

I've downloaded Firebug 1.1 Beta and it seems to work fine with Firefox 3

http://getfirebug.com/releases/

Hope that helps.

- - - - -
http://www.dave-woods.co.uk


2008/6/18 kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  I hear about so many goodies on my lists I tried to dl Firebug (if our
> people like it its got to be awesome...hahaahah) But FF said it had a
> problem and would not allow in FF3.
> Glad you mentioned Firebug Jason - thanks!
> Kate
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jason Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
>
> It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
> Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work
> with.
> FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
> Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so
> crucial for us of course.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason
> www.flexewebs.com/semantix
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
>> it run side by side?!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Cortney Sellers]

Nope - I have firebug n FF 2 and am on a PC (I also have a slew of other
awesome extensions too)

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

Can some kind person tell me..

..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC.
Thanks
Kate
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From: "russ - maxdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Web Standards Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate


> Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as 
> Moz,
> Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop
> and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz
> related browsers is that you can only open one at a time.
>
>
> on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
>> it run side by side?!
>>
>> Cheers
>
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[kate]

Got it now thanksFirebug
Kate
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Quoting Jason Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work 
with.

FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so 
crucial

for us of course.


Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area.
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843>

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[kate]

Can some kind person tell me..

..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC.
Thanks
Kate
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From: "russ - maxdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Web Standards Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate


Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as 
Moz,

Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop
and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz
related browsers is that you can only open one at a time.


on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote:


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it run side by side?!

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[kate]

Ken,
Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my FF3 at 
least.

This was at the Mozilla site.
Kate
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate



Quoting Jason Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work 
with.

FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so 
crucial

for us of course.


Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area.
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843>

Ken



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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[kate]

I hear about so many goodies on my lists I tried to dl Firebug (if our people 
like it its got to be awesome...hahaahah) But FF said it had a problem and 
would not allow in FF3.
Glad you mentioned Firebug Jason - thanks!
Kate
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  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate


  It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( 
  Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with.
  FF3 is very nice and I am excited. 
  Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial 
for us of course.

  Regards,

  Jason 
  www.flexewebs.com/semantix 


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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Léo Siqueira]

Just check for Firebug at the Mozilla FF Add-On website, there´s a new
version compatible with the FF3.


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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Tom Livingston]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Jason Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
> Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with.
> FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
> Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial
> for us of course.


I am using FireBug 1.2.0b2 with FF3. Works fine.


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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Rob Crowther]

James Ellis wrote:
you can run either version from the relevant file 
location, but not at the same time.


You can run any number of versions at the same time, but you have to use 
separate profiles - the profile can only be active in one instance at a 
time.


You have to use the -no-remote command line switch (either on the 
command line or modify the shortcut) and use -P to specify the profile, 
like this:


firefox.exe -no-remote -P default

Will start a separate instance of Firefox with the default profile (if 
it's not already in use), then:


firefox.exe -no-remote -P default30

Will start another separate instance with the default30 profile 
(assuming you've created it).  The proviso is your 'main' version of 
Firefox needs to run without -no-remote if you want the desktop 
integration stuff to work properly, so you have to start that first. 
You can use the -ProfileManager switch to get the dialogue for creating 
new profiles the first time.


Obviously, adjust all the above for file extensions and paths 
appropriate to your platform.


Rob


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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[James Ellis]

Hi 

That's not exactly right .. if you install v3 to a different location (tip: 
choose Custom install) then you can run either version from the relevant file 
location, but not at the same time.
The only problem you will find is compatibility with some extensions when you 
run FF3. If you want to go back to FF2 for Firebug support then it will 
automatically re-enable it. At least that what it just did for me.
Your profile will be shared between both versions as well.

This is true for Linux versions as well - you can either install both versions 
using your distro's package manager or run it from the tarball.

I doubt Mozilla would go down the path of IE - I'd be annoyed if I had 
to  'MultipleFF'  as well, or run up a new virtual machine for every 
version...

HTH
James


On Wednesday 18 June 2008 22:32:16 Jason Grant wrote:
> It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
> Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work
> with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
> Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so
> crucial for us of course.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason
> www.flexewebs.com/semantix
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Maarten Stolte]

definitely a mac thing, not sharing libraries like windows dll hell...

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> Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz,
> Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop
> and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz
> related browsers is that you can only open one at a time.
>
>
> on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote:
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>> Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
>> it run side by side?!
>>
>> Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Fabio Espindula]

Firebug 1.1 works fine on firefox3.



Jason Grant wrote:

It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work 
with.

FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so 
crucial for us of course.


Regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com/semantix 

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Ken Robinson]

Quoting Jason Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with.
FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial
for us of course.


Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area.  



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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Roberto Castaldo]

Here’s a good solution (it works on my pc) to keep both Firefox 2 and 3 : "
<http://blogs.cozi.com/tech/2008/04/multiple-firefo.html> Multiple Firefox
Profiles: Run Firefox 2 and 3 Side-By-Side, and More"

 

Best regards,

 

Roberto

 

 

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Paul,

When you start the installation you need to make the Custom setup and change
the install directory, but you will need to create a new shortcut for the
old version of FF.

Regards,
Léo 

2008/6/18 Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[russ - maxdesign]

Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz,
Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop
and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz
related browsers is that you can only open one at a time.


on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote:

> Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
> it run side by side?!
> 
> Cheers




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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Joseph Ortenzi]

if you have a mac you can rename it firefox3 so you can run it side by  
side, but your extensions might get confused...

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Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/06/18 13:17 (GMT+0100) Paul Collins apparently typed:

> Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
> it run side by side?!

It doesn't have to. There are instructions on the mozilla.org developer pages
for running as many concurrent versions of Gecko products as you wish. The
particulars depend on your environment. Linux & Mac & Win don't all work
exactly the same.

Don't install as replacement before checking if extensions you depend on are
ready for it.
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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Léo Siqueira]

Paul,

When you start the installation you need to make the Custom setup and change
the install directory, but you will need to create a new shortcut for the
old version of FF.

Regards,
Léo

2008/6/18 Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Jonathan D'mello]

it will replace your version of Firefox.
But you can now get the official release of FF3!

Jonathan



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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Svip]

It will replace it, unless you "backup" your Firefox 2 client and move
it somewhere where Firefox 3 cannot get to it.

/Svip

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Jason Grant]

It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-(
Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with.
FF3 is very nice and I am excited.
Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial
for us of course.

Regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com/semantix

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[sundar]

It will replace, probably portable firefox2 an option to use both.

Sundar

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[WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

[Paul Collins]

Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
it run side by side?!

Cheers


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[WSG] Firefox 3

[sundar]

Hi guys,

Official launching date of Firefox 3 is on 17th June, 08, get it and enjoy
and the below link for those who like to spread firefox (best in the
business) all over the world.

http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord

Thanks
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Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/05/21 07:43 (GMT+1000) Korny Sietsma apparently typed:

> Sorry, I didn't mean "if I had FF3 running" - I had it *installed* but not
> running. And maybe I could have made it work, but I was under time
> pressure. I just installed FF2 through Ubuntu's standard "apt" system, and
> I'd hoped that it would be configured to install it completely 
> independently.

> When I have more time I'll try again - but running a beta browser, with an
> alpha of FireBug, I wasn't really very surprised to have stability issues.
> Maybe I should have been.

With Linux distros, except in unusual circumstances, and assuming more than
one version exists to choose from, you have to choose only one version of an
application to install through the package management system. Other versions
must be installed outside the normal package management system.

With Mozilla products, it's usually best to install the stable version via
package management, then use bzip or whatever is required of the available
development or pre-release version in question to place in your $HOME tree or
/usr/local tree.

If you had a problem installing a mozilla.org build, odds are you didn't have
proper deps installed, probably the compat libstdc++5 library, or whatever
the Debian system calls it, or a new enough pango.

Another option if you want FF3 as your main (via package management) but to
keep FF2 for testing is to use Epiphany in lieu of FF2. Plans have been made
to switch Epiphany from Gecko to Webkit, but I don't think that will happen
before FF2 has had time to nearly die.

Oh, and FF3rc1 was out 3 days ago. If Debian sources now have the v3rc
available, it may be time to think about instead making it your normal, and
installing the mozilla.org release of FF 2.0.0.14 in $HOME or /usr/local.
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Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Korny Sietsma]

Sorry, I didn't mean "if I had FF3 running" - I had it *installed* but
not running.
And maybe I could have made it work, but I was under time pressure. I
just installed FF2 through Ubuntu's standard "apt" system, and I'd
hoped that it would be configured to install it completely
independently.

When I have more time I'll try again - but running a beta browser,
with an alpha of FireBug, I wasn't really very surprised to have
stability issues.  Maybe I should have been.

As for vmware - I guess I'm used to it, I already use vmware to test
different versions of ie, so adding Firefox to one of them isn't a
biggie.

- Korny

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2008/05/20 18:27 (GMT+1000) Korny Sietsma apparently typed:
>
>> I have had problems running FF2 on a machine also running FF3 -
>> specifically, and fatally for me, FireBug wouldn't install cleanly in
>> FF2 if I had FF3 running.
>
> Did you ever think to try closing the other long enough to get it to install?
> Have you been trying to use the same profile for multiple versions? Have you
> tried virgin profiles? Visit irc://moznet/#firefox or
> irc://moznet/#mozillazine or irc://moznet/#seamonkey and people who know what
> it takes will help you get it going.
>
>> I'd load FF3 in a vmware image, or maybe test it with an Ubuntu 8.04 live CD.
>
> Absolutely unnecessary gross overkill.
>
>> Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more
>> stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain
>> - at least for my configuration!
>
> I've been running various flavors of alpha & beta Gecko products simultaneous
> with release versions of same cross-platform (Linux, OS/2 & Win; adding OS X
> recently) for over 7 years. If you can't get it to work routinely, you're not
> correctly following directions, or have a general system problem. Using
> multiple versions does require the MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 environment variable, or
> equivalent command line option, plus multiple profiles.
>
> Realize that SeaMonkey and Firefox are just different faces on the same
> rendering engine, so you can take the easy way out and just run the devel
> version of one and the release version of the other if following the multiple
> version instructions is somehow not doable for you.
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Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/05/20 18:27 (GMT+1000) Korny Sietsma apparently typed:

> I have had problems running FF2 on a machine also running FF3 -
> specifically, and fatally for me, FireBug wouldn't install cleanly in
> FF2 if I had FF3 running.

Did you ever think to try closing the other long enough to get it to install?
Have you been trying to use the same profile for multiple versions? Have you
tried virgin profiles? Visit irc://moznet/#firefox or
irc://moznet/#mozillazine or irc://moznet/#seamonkey and people who know what
it takes will help you get it going.

> I'd load FF3 in a vmware image, or maybe test it with an Ubuntu 8.04 live CD.

Absolutely unnecessary gross overkill.

> Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more
> stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain
> - at least for my configuration!

I've been running various flavors of alpha & beta Gecko products simultaneous
with release versions of same cross-platform (Linux, OS/2 & Win; adding OS X
recently) for over 7 years. If you can't get it to work routinely, you're not
correctly following directions, or have a general system problem. Using
multiple versions does require the MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 environment variable, or
equivalent command line option, plus multiple profiles.

Realize that SeaMonkey and Firefox are just different faces on the same
rendering engine, so you can take the easy way out and just run the devel
version of one and the release version of the other if following the multiple
version instructions is somehow not doable for you.
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RE: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Patrick Lauke]

> Korny Sietsma

> Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more
> stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain
> - at least for my configuration!

Beta5 and RC1 have been rock-solid on my systems (WinXP). And, as far as I 
understand, RC1 is fairly feature complete (with regards to its rendering 
engine), unless some major howlers are reported in the next few weeks. From 
experience, the majority of instability / weird behaviour in these situations 
comes from reuse of an old profile...when jumping to a major new version, I'd 
always advise to start with a completely fresh profile to avoid any 
incompatibilities.

P

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Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Korny Sietsma]

I have had problems running FF2 on a machine also running FF3 -
specifically, and fatally for me, FireBug wouldn't install cleanly in
FF2 if I had FF3 running.

I'd load FF3 in a vmware image, or maybe test it with an Ubuntu 8.04 live CD.

Note that beta 5 at least is still rather unstable.  I've managed to
crash it semi-regularly - somewhere the combination of Gmail,
Campfire, and Firebug (I have to run an alpha of Firebug to get FF3
support) makes the browser die.  I'm not sure which of these is the
actual culprit, or if it's some combination, but clicking on a folder
in gmail, sometimes, kills the browser; and firebug itself often goes
into la-la land.

Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more
stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain
- at least for my configuration!

- Korny

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> On 2008/05/20 15:13 (GMT+1200) Paul Bennett apparently typed:
>
>> Ack!
>> Anyone else had horrible problems installing FF3?
>
> No, but ...
>
>> My install crashes every time I open it, so I had to reinstall FF2..
>
> I avoid "installing" applications whenever possible. In the case of
> unreleased Gecko products, it's more than just possible, it's often 
> preferable.
>
> Get yourself an archive build instead of an installer build from
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ and see
> if you have better luck.
>
> There's no reason you can't have both on the same machine at the same time,
> though an extra step or three are required to enable using both at the same
> time, and you're probably better off not using a profile previously used with
> FF3 to use with FF2.
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Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/05/20 15:13 (GMT+1200) Paul Bennett apparently typed:

> Ack!
> Anyone else had horrible problems installing FF3?

No, but ...

> My install crashes every time I open it, so I had to reinstall FF2..

I avoid "installing" applications whenever possible. In the case of
unreleased Gecko products, it's more than just possible, it's often preferable.

Get yourself an archive build instead of an installer build from
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ and see
if you have better luck.

There's no reason you can't have both on the same machine at the same time,
though an extra step or three are required to enable using both at the same
time, and you're probably better off not using a profile previously used with
FF3 to use with FF2.
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RE: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Paul Bennett]

Ack!
Anyone else had horrible problems installing FF3?

My install crashes every time I open it, so I had to reinstall FF2..



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Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[Michael Horowitz]

If its a Beta I would say wait until its done before rewriting anything 
that is currently W3C CSS compliant.   Remember beta means not done.  If 
you are interested in judging beta releases test it an decide why its 
breaking.  Are you currently fulfilling W3C standards.  If you are and 
its breaking it would sound like the beta has a bug than your code 
having a bug.  Does your site pass the validator.


It does look like they are expecting the final release in June

The Mozilla team has not specified a final ship date for Firefox 3 but 
sources in the linux distribution community say they were promised final 
copies in June.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2450

The project site http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3

Here are the release notes
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0rc1/releasenotes/




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David Dorward wrote:


On 19 May 2008, at 10:37, kevin mcmonagle wrote:

Recently it was pointed out to me that a site I built is breaking in 
firefox 3 beta five.

How close is this to release?


RC1 just came out

Do i need to worry about this? the site works fine in current 
browsers-firefox and otherwise.


I'd be concerned.




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Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[David Dorward]

On 19 May 2008, at 10:37, kevin mcmonagle wrote:

Recently it was pointed out to me that a site I built is breaking in  
firefox 3 beta five.

How close is this to release?


RC1 just came out

Do i need to worry about this? the site works fine in current  
browsers-firefox and otherwise.


I'd be concerned.

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David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/




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[WSG] firefox 3 beta5

[kevin mcmonagle]

Recently it was pointed out to me that a site I built is breaking in 
firefox 3 beta five.
How close is this to release? Do i need to worry about this? the site 
works fine in current browsers-firefox and otherwise.

-thanks in advance
kevin



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