Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-23 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
For colleges and universities based in the USA, you might want to look at your respective state laws with respect web accessibility. Some states are either incorporating the federal Section 508 accessibility law for all state (supported) web sites, or are writing their own state web accessibility

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-23 Thread Tim Palac
The way my school approached it was interesting. My major was in a combination of Interactivity, Video, and Animation under the label of Time Arts. It was definitely different than what I hear you describing here, so I think it depends on the university. For the interactive/web end of things, we

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-23 Thread Nancy Johnson
I was hired to work on a section of a fairly visible high volume site in the US. I had an image comp and was all set to build out the structure using standards when I got handed the html and css I was supposed to use. I was aghast as the table based nested table structure that was so sloppy it

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread WL Wong
Hi James, In addition to some of the ideas given, what about showing your lecturer some inspiring examples like CSS Zen Garden, and others? Hopefully he can also discover designing with css and standards, and really get into it. I had shown zen garden to a colleague few years ago - he got hooked a

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always thought of doing something like a web standards curriculum pack, either in printed or online form, that we put together as a suggested curriculum for universities to give to students David, I'd suggest getting in touch with somebody from the WaSP EDU task

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Jason Pruim
I'm not a university... Just a poor schmuck trying to stay afloat in the world of web design/coding but a website like what you are talking about would be very very helpful. I would be willing to help in any way I could (Without charge unless you took up too much of my family time :)) But

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread dstorey
At least in Universities (colleges - as in the English colleges, not the American term, may be different) my experience is that lecturers have a research area, which is why they are still in academia. Teaching is just a necessary evil they have to go through, especially if it is not related to the

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Christian Snodgrass
I am actually having a similar problem. I was able to skip the Web Development class, so I didn't have to sit through it, but I am sure it is similar to how yours is. We have a Javascript class and the HTML that is taught in there is hideous. Also, my teacher in my Multimedia class is wanting u

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, If you HAVE to use tables you can still go some way in meeting accessibility standards by compliance with guidelines: 5.3 Do not use tables for layout unless the table makes sense when linearized. [Priority 2] 5.4 If a table is used for layout, do not use any structural markup for the purpo

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-22 Thread Steve Olive
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:18:32 pm James Jeffery wrote: > Good Morning! > > Here is my problem. Im at college this year, preparing for University > (Hopefully Birmingham) to > study Software Engineering. At college we have a class on a Thursday called > "Web Development" > and the guy thats teaching t

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread Designer
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: James Jeffery wrote: It does: http://www.matthew-boulton.ac.uk/ The site looks o.k, but as you can see the methods are wrong. Hah, it's been a while since I've seen the following It's on par with At least there's some attempt at CSS layout on that site, though..

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread Kevin Lennon
Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, You could possibly use how your college's own Website is coded to support your case. I don't know which college you're at, but look at how their Website is coded - I would be surprised if their still using the methods your tutor is teaching. I feel your frustra

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread Umesh Bagalur
ards, > > Frank M. Palinkas > Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help > > W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert > > M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ > > Senior Technical Communicator > > Web Standards & Accessibility Designer > > >

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread Christian Montoya
> On Sat, October 20, 2007 10:18 am, James Jeffery wrote: > > What power do i have (if any) to try and get the college to understand > > they > > cannot use a cowboy to > > teach tomorrows computer experts. Should i use my essay and examples and > > take it to the head of > > the college? I really

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
James Jeffery wrote: It does: http://www.matthew-boulton.ac.uk/ The site looks o.k, but as you can see the methods are wrong. Hah, it's been a while since I've seen the following It's on par with At least there's some attempt at CSS layout on that site, though...could be a good startin

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread Cp Master
Yeah The Site is built by tables layout. But as you can see an external company built it: http://www.mediascopeltd.com/ I think you should try to persuade your tutor that what he teach, it's wrong. show him sites which talks about web standards, about css models. show him the following presentatio

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread James Jeffery
It does: http://www.matthew-boulton.ac.uk/ The site looks o.k, but as you can see the methods are wrong. On 10/21/07, Stuart Foulstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > You could possibly use how your college's own Website is coded to support > your case. > > I don't know which college you'r

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-21 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, You could possibly use how your college's own Website is coded to support your case. I don't know which college you're at, but look at how their Website is coded - I would be surprised if their still using the methods your tutor is teaching. -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.u

RE: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-20 Thread Frank Palinkas
James Jeffery Sent: Saturday, 20 October, 2007 12:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities Thanks Toney. Most of the documents we are handed from the tutor are grammatically wrong and contain a huge amount of spelling errors, such as: "Place the

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-20 Thread James Jeffery
Thanks Toney. Most of the documents we are handed from the tutor are grammatically wrong and contain a huge amount of spelling errors, such as: "Place the curser over the table cell click ok when you done" Im not sure who is writing them, but again, another issue. I will have a private chat wit

Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-20 Thread Tony Crockford
On 20 Oct 2007, at 10:18, James Jeffery wrote: Should i use my essay and examples and take it to the head of the college? I really don't know how to go about this, but its definatly a problem. Who set the syllabus? Assuming it's the college administration, then they are the people to d

[WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-20 Thread James Jeffery
Good Morning! Here is my problem. Im at college this year, preparing for University (Hopefully Birmingham) to study Software Engineering. At college we have a class on a Thursday called "Web Development" and the guy thats teaching the class in an absolute joke, no seriously, he is. He is teaching