Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? - ADMIN

2009-10-20 Thread Andrew Newman
More than one H1 on a page: good or bad? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM On 20/10/2009, at 1:09 PM, Russ Weakley wrote: ADMIN Hi all, The conversation has been great, but we are now heading into heated discussion and direct attacks - which is unacceptable. Please remain civi

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? - ADMIN

2009-10-19 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN Hi all, The conversation has been great, but we are now heading into heated discussion and direct attacks - which is unacceptable. Please remain civil and receptive or the thread will be closed. Thanks Russ (civility police) ***

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-19 Thread dwain
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:32 PM, tee wrote: > Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No? >> > A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't > know anything about semantic markup :) > > tee, thry this on for size. from the w3c html elements about what an h1 refere

RE: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-19 Thread Darren Lovelock
rg [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 19 October 2009 20:32 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote: > > No-one has said there is anything wrong with including a tagline on > every page. M

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-19 Thread tee
On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote: No-one has said there is anything wrong with including a tagline on every page. My point wasn't arguing that someone said it's wrong to t include a tagline on every page. It's more about this: in some situations, logo use in the websit

RE: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-19 Thread Darren Lovelock
: More than one H1? On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Christian Fagan wrote: > Agree with pretty much everything below. > > There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a H1but > there seems to be no compelling reason not to. Quite a number of my clients have taglines in

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-19 Thread tee
On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Christian Fagan wrote: Agree with pretty much everything below. There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a H1but there seems to be no compelling reason not to. Quite a number of my clients have taglines in their logos, and often times,

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Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-18 Thread Jason Grant
Hi Christian, Google also use table layout for their pages, inline styles, don't use labels with input fields and so on. The fact that they use H1 around the logo just shows that they don't require SEO work. ;-) So your mention of Google using H1 around the logo does not illustrate anything. Thank

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-18 Thread Christian Fagan
Agree with pretty much everything below. There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a H1but there seems to be no compelling reason not to. I'm probably swaying towards not wrapping the logo in a H1 any moreI doubt it will have much effect on SEO anyway. One final poi

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-17 Thread Jason Grant
mats or the RDFA doctype you can identify the logo in a > vcard along with your company details. > > Darren Lovelock > Munky Online Web Design > http://www.munkyonline.co.uk > T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 > > > -- > *From:* li...@webstandardsgr

RE: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-17 Thread Darren Lovelock
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Christian Fagan Sent: 17 October 2009 12:18 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? Thanks for all your responsesI didn't expect this topic to be so clouded. For me and t

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-17 Thread Jason Grant
Oh yes, and let's not forget that Google isn't the only search engine on the planet too. :-) On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jason Grant wrote: > Once again I have to come back to this great thread - one of the best > discussions in the long time on this mailing list: > >- BBC uses H1 on th

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-17 Thread Jason Grant
Once again I have to come back to this great thread - one of the best discussions in the long time on this mailing list: - BBC uses H1 on the logo on the home page, but around the article title on article specific page (e.g. view-source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8312126.stm)

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-17 Thread Christian Fagan
Thanks for all your responsesI didn't expect this topic to be so clouded. For me and this particular site I'm working on, the problem still remainswhile Jason's article is well written, it doesn't use any *governing body (eg. W3C/Google) references* as basis for it's conclusions...it

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Oliver Boermans
2009/10/16 Jason Grant : > Ollie you are threading a dangerous ground there. > Explained here why you are > wrong: http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/ Good link for this thread Jason. Although I don’t understand why the company name would be inappropriate semanti

Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Brett Patterson
*On > Behalf Of *Darren Lovelock > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 16:33 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > > > To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam > filters in the search engines as you are duplicating

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin
_ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Darren Lovelock Sent: 16 October 2009 16:33 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam filters in the search

Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Rob Crowther
Gaspar wrote: This problem will be solved, I hope, with the use of and in HTML5. Indeed, in HTML5 the meaning of h1-6 is 'headings for the sections with which they are associated' - multiple h1 elements in a page is not a problem: http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/h1.html A discussion of the

Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Gaspar
o the SEO expert they've already spoken to... > > I would have thought it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't do it ;) > > > Darren Lovelock > Munky Online Web Design > http://www.munkyonline.co.uk > T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 > > ___________

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Darren Lovelock
s that you shouldn't do it ;) Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design <http://www.munkyonline.co.uk/> http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of EBS Admin Sent: 16 October 2009 15:5

Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Brett Patterson
ess. > > -- > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jason Grant > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 16:00 > > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > That's only relevant if yo

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin
No but you can wrap MiniClip - Providers of Miniature Clips for Business. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 16:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? That's

Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Jason Grant
nt:* 16 October 2009 15:45 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo > is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's > brand name (

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin
: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. I would potentially agree with you if you

Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread jason
round other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: "EBS Admin" Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 To: Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin
up the pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. Hope this makes it a little clearer. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one

Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread Jason Grant
EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on first page of Google. My formula, hence, does not only say Google