Re: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread LC 55
Hi Justin Martin! Sorry about the previous post, it should have been addressed to Martin not to Justin, but it may be interesting for anyone who is thinking of buying the Bobby CD. Guess it's just too early here in the UK. Apologies again, JG --- Justin French [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

[WSG] font-family : what fonts do you set as default?

2004-03-06 Thread Neerav
I usually use font-family : Verdana, sans-serif; As I find Verdana to be a very clear, easy to read font that scales well for small text, normal paragraph text and large headings alike -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au * The discussion

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Michael Kear
Sorry if this is such a dumb question that it displays more of my ignorance than anything else, but this is the second time in the last few weeks I've heard references to Bobby, but Who the hell is Bobby? And what does he have to do with us? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread LC 55
Hi Michael, hope this helps you. Bobby will allow you to test web pages and help expose and repair barriers to accessibility and encourage compliance with existing accessibility guidelines, such as Section 508 and the W3C's WCAG. View this at -

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Mike, Bobby is an accessibility checker with a huge chip on it's shoulder. http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp In my opinion it supposes too much and is basically a self righteous piece of rubbish. Take www.gt.nsw.gov.au for example.

Re: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread russ weakley
Michael, There are other accessibility tools that have better reputations than Bobby now. Bobby has received growing criticism over the last few years - here is an example: http://www.evolt.org/article/Why_Bobby_Approved_is_not_Enough/4090/9278/inde x.html?format=print Here are some other online

Re: [WSG] font-family : what fonts do you set as default?

2004-03-06 Thread russ weakley
Oops. That should be: { font-family : Georgia, Times, Times New Roman, serif; } :( Russ { font-family : Georgia, Times, Times New Roman, sans-serif; } * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Martin Chapman
Thanks everyone. I'll certainly check those alternatives out, thanks Russ. I was finding it bit daunting, since the site I am re-coding is based on ASP.NET, and as I am sure many of you know... Microsoft + ASP.NET + web = 666. The client doesn't really know what they want from the

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Martin, I'm not familiar with this at all. How much of this example would be auto-generated? One would assume that a lot of it could be fixed by putting things in the right place (scripts in the head section and adding a doctype). http://www.add2web.dk/aspdatagrid/Sample/default.asp P

Re: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread russ weakley
Regarding accreditation, I reckon the best place to start is the Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) which produces (amongst other things) Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. These guidelines have include the all-important checkpoints that are broken into three priorities. Ideally, web

[WSG] Re: font-family : what fonts do you set as default?

2004-03-06 Thread Irapuan Martinez
At 19:40 6/3/2004 +1100, Neerav wrote: I usually use font-family : Verdana, sans-serif; As I find Verdana to be a very clear, easy to read font that scales well for small text, normal paragraph text and large headings alike A friend send to me this link:

[WSG] ASP.NET HTML (continued from my Bobby discussion)...

2004-03-06 Thread Martin Chapman
Unfortunately, there at two factors I'm at the moment which I am up against. 1) I have little knowledge of ASP(.NET) and even if I did, it's not my code. It's the client's in-house developers (don't know how good they are)... and 2) They use Visual Studio .NET to produce their code. This code

Re: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Martin Chapman
Thanks once again Russ... will take great care in reading those sites you've suggested. Did I mention I'm 3/4 throught the project :oO ;o) And, there is always this list if you get stuck. I am sure that there are accessibility experts lurking in our ranks that could help out if detailed

Re: [WSG] Before I start

2004-03-06 Thread Christiansen Jonsson
Thanks for your reply. Maybe I should clarify I would like to have a 750px X 420px container div (wrapper) floating horizontal and vertical in the centre on the screen. Is that possible using css or do I need a javascript? (which I really would like to avoid) I did a search for David

Re: [WSG] Before I start

2004-03-06 Thread George S. Williams
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 09:49, Christiansen Jonsson wrote: I did a search for David Hasselhoff on the WSG site but no results. I'm sure a David Hasselhoff search on google would give me some results... but not the one I'm looking for ;) The Hasselfoff thing was a design competition at

Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...

2004-03-06 Thread Michael Donnermeyer
You actually expect Microsoft to create a product that works?!? G How about one that follows standards? (RIGHT!) All kidding aside, it's a royal pain in the U know what and it'll probably result in 'pattern baldness' from ripping your own hair out, but in the long run it'll be worth it.

Re: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Jaime Wong
Uh I have a question on bobby too. On Priority 1 or 2..I forgot which. Thereis this rule that states that one should not use onclick for _javascript_. The problem is that most programmers uses onclick and other actions that requires mouse. Do you guys try to satisfy this rule? I was

Re: [WSG] Before I start

2004-03-06 Thread Nate Cook
Jon Hicks did a great article on this very topic a while back -- you might want to try what he says: // hicksdesign :: articles | vertical centering with CSS http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/articles/archives/30.php Nate On Mar 6, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Christiansen Jonsson wrote:

Re: [WSG] Open critique?

2004-03-06 Thread Nate Cook
Cameron Russ, Thank you both for your feedback! (And especially to Cameron for the recognition!) It seems some of the folks at webstandardsawards.com and CSS Vault are being a little... ahem... forceful with their comments. :) As for the constructive criticism: Print CSS - I'd nearly

Re: [WSG] Before I start

2004-03-06 Thread Christiansen Jonsson
Thanks a lot Nate Kim - Original Message - From: Nate Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Before I start Jon Hicks did a great article on this very topic a while back -- you might want to try what he says:

Re: [WSG] Re: font-family : what fonts do you set as default?

2004-03-06 Thread Jaime Wong
Those are some good links. Thanks for sharing. Inormally use"Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif". Seems likeVerdana is the preferredchoice here butI feel that Arial is easier to read because it is not as spread out. Correct me if I am wrong. With Regards, Jaime Wong

Re: [WSG] Open critique? - colour deficiency

2004-03-06 Thread russ weakley
Nate, The term Colour blindness is now frowned on. Apparently colour deficiency is the more correct term - for what it's worth. :) Anyway, there are basically three types of colour deficiency. They are: 1. Deuteranope (a form of red/green colour deficit) 2. Protanope (another form of red/green

[WSG] Weird Problem...

2004-03-06 Thread Chris Stratford
Hey WSG, I have a very odd problem... On my website: www.neester.com I have a menu on the left, and the content on the right... The content passes the menu, but the menu "dents" the content. No matter how far I push the content away from the menu. eg: I set the contents margin-left: 100px

Re: [WSG] Weird Problem...

2004-03-06 Thread russ weakley
Is the indent 3 pixels wide? If so, it may be the 3 pixel text jog bug: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/threepxtest.html If so, I would not recommend the hack suggest in the article. There are any ways to work around the problem without hacks of any sort. On method would be to simply

Re: [WSG] Open critique?

2004-03-06 Thread Hugh Todd
Nate, I, too, was surprised at the 'forcefulness' of some of the feedback. I would be interested to know whether they could come anywhere close to your level of aesthetic competence. I was hugely impressed when I saw what you had done. There is a tension, isn't there, between the aesthetic

RE: [WSG] Bobby question

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Jaime, Yes it's very important. Many differently-abled people don't use a mouse. They use the keyboard to navigate around a page/site (generally much faster and more efficiently than any mouse user). By using onclick or onmousedown etc. you may be blocking their access to whatever the resource