Re: [WSG] Accessability testing

2004-06-24 Thread Iza Bartosiewicz
hi James, These articles might be of some help: A Review of Free, Online Accessibility Tools http://www.webaim.org/techniques/articles/freetools/ Do-It-Yourself Accessibility http://www.sitepoint.com/article/yourself-accessibility/2 cheers Iza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/06/04 15:37 Hi - does

RE: [WSG] Accessability testing

2004-06-24 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
Hi James I personally find that Cynthia is a better automated tool than Bobby - and it certainly helps you find fix up errors quicker, although I still really prefer to do accessibility testing myself by using Jaws Lynx. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website:

RE: [WSG] IE linked image border grief

2004-06-24 Thread Craig Stump
Unless I'm missing the point entirely, what's wrong with: a img {border:none;} -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin French Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE linked image border grief Hi all,

Re: [WSG] Standards Compliant Websites Directory

2004-06-24 Thread Marc Greenstock
Great Idea, For the categories you may want to download the dmoz RDF dump from http://rdf.dmoz.org/. Get the structure.rdf.u8.gz. That should give you a pretty good comprehensive category listing. Dmoz has put a lot of time planing their categories so it's bound to be the best available. Just a

[WSG] Fw: print page

2004-06-24 Thread Maureen Beattie
Hi everybody - my client wants the pages on her site setup so that they print out exactly how they look on the screen. At present the short pages are printing okay but the longer pages are leaving paragraphs out. I would appreciate it if someone could explain how to set this up or point me to a

RE: [WSG] Accessability testing

2004-06-24 Thread James Cowperthwaite
Thanks for the responses! Has anyone played with Usablenet? Opinions? Thanks James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

Re: [WSG] IE linked image border grief

2004-06-24 Thread Justin French
On 24/06/2004, at 5:02 PM, Craig Stump wrote: Unless I'm missing the point entirely, what's wrong with: a img {border:none;} Been there, tried that. The border is being applied to the a, not the img. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au *

Re: [WSG] Recommended Books

2004-06-24 Thread Andy Budd
James Ellis wrote: First taxi off the rank is Andy Budd's book listing at http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat31 - Andy, feel free to update the listing. Cheers James. I probably should add some of my articles as well, shouldn't I? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/

Re: [WSG] OT - Standards Compliant Websites Directory

2004-06-24 Thread Andy Budd
A directory is a good idea, however there are quite a few sites doing similar things these days. Somebody could write a bot that validates as it crawls. Then you could have a standards compliant SE. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The

Re: [WSG] Accessability testing

2004-06-24 Thread Andy Budd
I think there is a problem inherent in using these tools. HTML validators work because they check a document against a 'machine readable' set of grammars. Accessibility tools can't do this. What they do is look at a site based on a set of guidelines. However these guidelines are open to

Re: [WSG] Fw: print page

2004-06-24 Thread Neerav
AFAIK this is not possible. One main reason is that the vast majority of browsers will turn off background images and colours when printing Somehow you have to explain that a computer screen != A4 page (for non programmers a computer screen does not equal an A4 page) * the ratio of one side to

Re: [WSG] OT - Standards Compliant Websites Directory

2004-06-24 Thread Marc Greenstock
Andy Budd wrote: A directory is a good idea, however there are quite a few sites doing similar things these days. Somebody could write a bot that validates as it crawls. Then you could have a standards compliant SE. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/

[WSG] New mobile standards body

2004-06-24 Thread Kyle Barrow
OMTP is a new standards body attempting to promote open standards amongst mobile manufacturers. With the messy state of Web standards compliance on mobiles, an organisation like this is long overdue although I noticed NTT DoCoMo is a member which is rather like inviting Hannibal Lector for

[WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread John Penlington
Hi all, I'm making good progress with web standards and accessibility, but I'm stuck on a problem with floated divs for displaying thumbnails on an art gallery site. No problem getting the thumbnail-caption combinations to display using left floated divs - thanks to Russ Weakley's float

Re: [WSG] New mobile standards body

2004-06-24 Thread Andy Budd
Interesting Idea, but isn't this something the web standards project is/should be doing? Kyle Barrow wrote: OMTP is a new standards body attempting to promote open standards amongst mobile manufacturers. With the messy state of Web standards compliance on mobiles, an organisation like this is

Re: [WSG] New mobile standards body

2004-06-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kyle Barrow wrote: OMTP is a new standards body attempting to promote open standards amongst mobile manufacturers. With the messy state of Web standards compliance on mobiles, an organisation like this is long overdue although I noticed NTT DoCoMo is a member which is rather like inviting

Re: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 09:31 PM, John Penlington wrote: No problem getting the thumbnail-caption combinations to display using left floated divs - thanks to Russ Weakley's float tutorials.   But I just cannot find the way to get these thumbnail-caption combinations to align at the

Re: [WSG] New mobile standards body

2004-06-24 Thread Kyle Barrow
It would be great if WASP took a greater interest in mobile Web standards but that is not happening right now. OMTP goes beyond Web standards encompassing all mobile technologies. Kyle On 2004 Jun 24, , at 20:43, Andy Budd wrote: Interesting Idea, but isn't this something the web standards

RE: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Chatham, Will
But I just cannot find the way to get these thumbnail-caption combinations to align at the *bottom* - rather than the top where they are now. I managed to pull this off by creating a container div for each image/caption pair that is always the same size. If you can determine what your

Re: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 11:01 PM, Trusz, Andrew wrote: Couple of industrial strength options; both of which I've used. One is purely visual - organize the pictures by height.  The pictures seem to come in roughly two heights so group them that way and they will mostly take care of

RE: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Michael Kear
What if you changed your design a little so you don't need to do that? Like for example putting the caption on the top instead of the bottom? I havent tried this but what about putting the image and its caption in a div, then putting THAT in another div, with fixed height attributes and

[WSG] Next WSG Melbourne Meeting Monday June 28

2004-06-24 Thread afdesign
Just a reminder that the next WSG Melbourne Meeting is this Monday June 28. Featuring Cameron Adams, who will discuss his personal site The Man in Blue and how it was built to standards compliance. From what I understand Cameron will focus on the intersection between creativity and standards,

RE: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Trusz, Andrew
Nick Gleitzman] Problem with floated divs in gallery site On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 11:01 PM, Trusz, Andrew wrote: Couple of industrial strength options; both of which I've used. One is purely visual - organize the pictures by height.. No good if the client

Re:[WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread John Penlington
Hi all, Thanks for those suggestions. Unfortunately, my client requires the thumbnail galleries to align exactly as I've shown with the table layout - caption under image. The test page is at: http://www.bluemountainsgardener.info/fgtest/max_miller.asp I cannot control either the height or

Re: [WSG] Fw: print page

2004-06-24 Thread Isabel Santos
Dear Maureen Beattie, As Neerav Bhatt said, printing pages exactly as they appear on the screen isn't possible. Eventualy you could use a script to resize print screen images, but you would have to call users permission, an rely on their machines capacitys. Yet, you can give alternative pages

Re: [WSG] Fw: print page

2004-06-24 Thread Joe Leech
I would appreciate it if someone could explain how to set this up or point me to a tutorial on the subject. This is a very good article from Alistapart should shed some light on it for you: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/printyourway/ *

Re: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, June 25, 2004, at 12:22 AM, John Penlington wrote: I just cannot find a CSS way to emulate the table cell attribute *valign='bottom'*. If I can do that, I can solve the problem. In the embedded CSS I've used a class table.gallery{vertical-align: bottom; ...} and it works with the

RE: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread John Penlington
Hi all again! RE: My problem with floated divs in gallery site - and trying to get those thumbnail images to align at the bottom. I've solved the problem - in two ways - and thanks for those suggestions. You'll find the result at:

RE: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Ted Drake
Here is a solution my friend Brian came up with for a gallery page for my class. I need to add the toggle.js script to make the gallery work, and it isn't perfect, but gets the job done. Of course, that creatures image of yours is a real problem. http://www.sdco-op.com/palomar/gallery.html.

Re: [WSG] IE linked image border grief

2004-06-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Justin French wrote: If we had *ascendant* selectors, my problem would be solved, but we don't: imga { border:0; } Bowman stopdesign.com solves the problem with a 'noline' class on his linked image tags, but in this case, I can't edit the source of the image tag, as it's

Re: [WSG] Site looks fine when previewing in IE, but messy in IE online

2004-06-24 Thread Shane Helm
I believe I got it. You guys helped out a lot, especially Hugh. Can you guys test again to make sure. It looks great on Mac in Safari and IE5.2.3. Can you test on PC please? http://sonze.com/isl/temp/ Thank you, Shane Helm * The discussion

[WSG] Microsoft going to improve Internet Explorer?

2004-06-24 Thread Phillips, Wendy
http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2004/06/16/157263.aspx Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

[WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-24 Thread ckimedia
Hi, I found this wonderful site (http://www.mbusa.com/brand/index.jsp) listed at the WSG section for full CSS sites(http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat9). As today is my Review and Research day, I've been peeking under the hood. If my interpretation of the rather elegant code is

Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-24 Thread Shane Helm
Are you serious? Is this possible? Shane On Jun 24, 2004, at 5:48 PM, ckimedia wrote: Hi, I found this wonderful site (http://www.mbusa.com/brand/index.jsp) listed at the WSG section for full CSS sites(http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat9). As today is my Review and Research day, I've

Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-24 Thread Neerav
The site may be wonderful in many ways but I dont approve of how they handle an opera user: You are using Opera 7.23 In order to view the online Mercedes Experience, either Netscape 6.2 or above or Internet Explorer 5.x or above is required. We recommend you update your browser by following the

Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-24 Thread Ben Bishop
I found this wonderful site (http://www.mbusa.com/brand/index.jsp) If my interpretation of the rather elegant code is correct, this site has a second layout that is rendered if FLASH is not present. Can some one please confirm or correct my observation. I've sent an e-mail and poked They

Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-24 Thread Justin French
On 25/06/2004, at 10:06 AM, Shane Helm wrote: Are you serious? Is this possible? On Jun 24, 2004, at 5:48 PM, ckimedia wrote: Hi, I found this wonderful site (http://www.mbusa.com/brand/index.jsp) listed at the WSG section for full CSS sites(http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat9). As

Re: [WSG] RoboDemo 5

2004-06-24 Thread Ian Main
I have been actually using it this morning for the first time. My first impression of the product was extremely simple to use. Coming from a flash background, the time you save creating a presentation through robodemo than flash is worth it, and you don't need flash experience. It works well

Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-24 Thread Chris Blown
Thats _really_ bad Browser checking is a thing of the past and should be gladly forgotten. Something that we can all thank the web standards project for. Is there a valid reason to do browser checking? I can't think of one... Regards Chris Blown On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 10:30, Neerav wrote:

Re: [WSG] Microsoft going to improve Internet Explorer?

2004-06-24 Thread Ryan Christie
Phillips, Wendy wrote: http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2004/06/16/157263.aspx SOSDD Wendy. This horse is already bloody, mutilated, and decomposing on the battlefield. After the explosion on Channel9 forums, it irks me that Dave Massy and Tony Chor still gawk at the vague requests when

Re: [WSG] Fw: print page

2004-06-24 Thread Neerav
Maureen Publishing some of the sites information to PDF may make your client happy as PDF's will print out exactly how they look on the screen. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Maureen