Re: [WSG] Correct use of fieldset

2004-11-23 Thread Mark Stanton
Many thanks for your advice on the subject. I guess kind of got caught up in the part that said the proper use of this element makes documents more accessible. I've never actually sat down and properly read through these documents cover to cover and so I've started picking a different

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[WSG] using br - was [ image captions?]

2004-11-23 Thread designer
- Original Message - From: Thorsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] image captions? why don't you put the image plus caption into a div and float that div? div class=imgleft img /br / caption text /div Thanks

RE: [WSG] using br - was [ image captions?]

2004-11-23 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day That's what I intended of course, but I wasn't sure how to get the text underneath the image. Am I really allowed a br/ then? Isn't that considered 'presentational? Matter of opinion, but I do use br elements for this purpose and I can still sleep at night. If nothing else, it

Re: [WSG] using br - was [ image captions?]

2004-11-23 Thread Darren Wood
Thanks Thorsten, That's what I intended of course, but I wasn't sure how to get the text underneath the image. Am I really allowed a br/ then? Isn't that considered 'presentational? Anyone? why not add a clear: right; on the image, and contain the whole lot in a div... or use the faithful dl.

Re: [WSG] Fangs Screen Reader Emulator

2004-11-23 Thread Neerav
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RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please

2004-11-23 Thread Richard Ishida
Boke, There is no reason at all that the validator would choke on Turkish characters, if the text is properly encoded in utf-8. I ran a test, and think I know what the problem is. If you run the validator on your current page [1], but tell it that the encoding is utf-8 (which it is not - it's

RE: [WSG] turkish text - can you assign a language or encoding to a div?

2004-11-23 Thread Richard Ishida
Hello Ted, Bear in mind that language declarations are totally separate from character encodings. For example, French can be encoded in several different ways, and utf-8 can represent many different languages. Language information is used for things like spellchecking, styling, speech

[WSG] netscape 7.1 and CSS

2004-11-23 Thread john
Greetings again. I thank you very much for the help you've provided me so far. Here's another question. ;) I have a web visitor who is using Netscape 7.1 and apparently isn't seeing the stylesheet of my site (http://cslewis.drzeus.net) -- is there some kind of known bug I need to work with,

Re: [WSG] Site critique please

2004-11-23 Thread Lyn Patterson
Thanks, Steve I see what you mean (1280 x 1024) but don't know how to counteract this. I have the image set to repeat-y and the background colour set to white to blend in with the far right of the image. It looks like the image is repeating. Kind regards Lyn Steve Winter wrote: Lyn, It may

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/

2004-11-23 Thread Felix Miata
Kathryn Ross wrote at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:59:29 +1100: document http://www.scottschiller.com/ Firefox's busy wheel has been spinning on this for over a half hour now without putting any text on a page. Anyone else? -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or

[WSG] image captions again

2004-11-23 Thread designer
- Original Message - From: Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:10 AM xHTML: div class=imgleftimg /caption text/div CSS: div.imgleft { width: 200px; /* or whatever is appropriate */ float:left; text-align:center; } div.imgleft img { display:block; }

[WSG] placing a footer flush to th bottom of page with css

2004-11-23 Thread Sam - SS29
www.inisbua.co.uk/v2/index.php I have coloured the backgrounds with green and blue to make distinction easier I am using a reset class as an attempt to clear objects from each other, everything I try seems to have no effect ie6 display correctly ff does no apply height to cont-wrapper at tall

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/

2004-11-23 Thread Gary Menzel
Works fine for me in Firefox. Works fine in IE too. On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:53:50 -0500, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathryn Ross wrote at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:59:29 +1100: document http://www.scottschiller.com/ Firefox's busy wheel has been spinning on this for over a half

[WSG] Re: image captions again

2004-11-23 Thread designer
Ignore my last message - I realised I'm putting a block level div in an inline p Duh! :-) But I don't know how to get around it . . . . http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/imagesintext.html Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/

2004-11-23 Thread Bennie Shepherd
Worked fine for me.. FF 1 On 11/23/2004 8:53:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathryn Ross wrote at Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:59:29 +1100: document http://www.scottschiller.com/ Firefox's busy wheel has been spinning on this for over a half hour now without putting any text on a page. Anyone else?

Re: [WSG] Re: image captions again

2004-11-23 Thread Gary Menzel
Use span instead of div. That seems to give a more pleasant outcome. Regards, Gary On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:10:35 -, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignore my last message - I realised I'm putting a block level div in an inline p Duh! :-) But I don't know how to get around it . . .

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/

2004-11-23 Thread Gary Menzel
it jumps like that because no CSS is actually loaded (well - nothing that has any signifcant impact on style) until the JS routine runs after the rest of the page is loaded. It could be fixed easily by having a default style that made eveything hidden to begin with. Then the script could enable

RE: [WSG] Re: image captions again

2004-11-23 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Ignore my last message - I realised I'm putting a block level div in an inline p Duh! :-) But I don't know how to get around it . . . . Close the paragraph before you open the div and start a new paragraph after the div. Putting the image with alt and caption inline (with span as

RE: [WSG] yuzgen.com review please

2004-11-23 Thread Boke Yuzgen
Richard, It sounds interesting. I never knew it, my bad. I thought UTF-8 format is plain text. I will give it a try when I go home. Thank you very much. --- Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boke, There is no reason at all that the validator would choke on Turkish characters, if

[WSG] Fieldsets can be used outside the box - Correct use of fieldset

2004-11-23 Thread Ted Drake
I think a fieldset could be used outside a form if you are using it to group similar links. We can fixate on the name or look at the purpose. It says, the fields inside it are related. If the standards say it can be outside a form than we can use it to group similar objects. I have used it to

RE: [WSG] Fieldsets can be used outside the box - Correct use of fieldset

2004-11-23 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:22 AM, Ted Drake wrote: I think a fieldset could be used outside a form if you are using it to group similar links. We can fixate on the name or look at the purpose. It says, the fields inside it are related. If the standards say it can be outside a form than

RE: [WSG] Fieldsets can be used outside the box - Correct use of fieldset

2004-11-23 Thread Ted Drake
I can appreciate the dl approach. I'm often worried that I will end up abusing the dl as the table was abused in the past. It is true that the dt could label the lists and the dd's could include the list elements. The list items would be related. I think I will even re-approach our page next

[WSG] li element with a sticky+remote rollover

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Curtis
I want a list of products which on mouse over triggers a preview image to the left of the list as well as an arrow pointing to the product currently being previewed. The arrow and preview are sticky; if you mouse off of one without hitting another, nothing will change. This would be easy with

[WSG] positioning problems on netscape

2004-11-23 Thread mathoba
i was building a web page and started to use some divs tag and style configuration. I was testing it on IE and everything was fine, but after i finished i opened it on netscape. That´s where the styles weren´t working and all positioning stuff were messed up. The style i fixed just removing

Re: [WSG] positioning problems on netscape

2004-11-23 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
hello - the problem you are experiencing is that netscape (and firefox, which the design also dosn't work in) use a slightly different box model than IE, which translates visually into the occasional extra whitspace at points (also, they tend to have different default padding and margin settings).

Re: [WSG] positioning problems on netscape

2004-11-23 Thread Leslie Riggs
Hello Matheus, Before even starting to address the problem, you need to do a couple of things. I notice your styles are completely embedded in your HTML. Additionally, you are not declaring a doctype in your HTML file, which could be part of the problem. I would recommend that you research a

[WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Web Usability
A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result. However when the site is viewed with MSIE 6 and NS 7 you get

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Manuel González Noriega
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:59:58 +1100, Web Usability [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm That's an easy one. The page's been served as

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Felix Miata
Web Usability wrote: A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result. However when the site is viewed

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Jeff - Accessibility 1st
Sorry I can't replicate the problem - Firefox 1.0 on XP and Mac Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/ On 24/11/04 9:59 AM, Web Usability [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Charlie Barr
That's funny, it works just fine in my version of FF 1.0... I'm using Win2K, all patched up and ready to go. What about everyone else? Charlie Web Usability has created a disturbance in the Force. I felt its presence on 11/23/2004 5:59 PM. Its substance was as follows: A friend of mine came

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Ryan Short
Web Usability wrote: A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result. However when the site is viewed with MSIE

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Terrence Wood
I doubt it is a problem with FF. Most likely the server is not set up correctly and is sending the file as text/plain not as text/html. It works in IE because IE renders the document based on the file extension not the header information and/or instruction from the server. Terrence Wood. On

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread mike bailey
HTML renders for me, using Firefox 1.0 . Web Usability wrote: A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result.

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread haggis
A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result. However when the site is viewed with MSIE 6 and NS 7 you get

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread haggis
- Original Message - http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result. However when the site is viewed with MSIE 6 and NS 7 you get the actual page. Needless to say there is a wee validation problem. Anybody got any ideas why it

Re: [WSG] Superior Tutorials

2004-11-23 Thread Shane Helm
This is where I began: http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/basics/index.html Shane Helm On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: x-tad-biggerDoes anyone know of any superior tutorial sites for CSS./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger J.LinasDesign Graphic Designer

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Web Usability wrote: A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm Roger, As others have said, the problem is the 'text/plain' I've noted that

RE: [WSG] why oh why 2 for foxers

2004-11-23 Thread Web Usability
And now one for the foxers, Why the difference between FF 0.9 and FF 1.0 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mike bailey Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] why oh why HTML renders for me, using

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Leslie Riggs
Using FF1.0 on a WinME machine, it doesn't render - I see the code instead. Same result with FF1.0 on XP SP2. Leslie Riggs A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I

Re: [WSG] Superior Tutorials

2004-11-23 Thread Joseph Lindsay
I'm surprised that nobody has recommended starting at the WSG resources page: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:38:28 -0700, Shane Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is where I began: http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/basics/index.html Shane Helm On Nov

Re: [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread Gary Menzel
Probably because IE is more forgiving if the server does not have the correct MIME types set up ?? That's just a guess - but it is probably close to an answer. Regards, Gary On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:59:05 -0600, Leslie Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using FF1.0 on a WinME machine, it doesn't

Re: [WSG] why oh why 2 for foxers

2004-11-23 Thread Felix Miata
Web Usability wrote: Why the difference between FF 0.9 and FF 1.0 Bug fixes mostly: http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.0.html -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 Team

[WSG] Customers who won't pay

2004-11-23 Thread Natasha Hall
Hi This is the first time I've emailed you and I'm sorry if this a why-did-i-click-on-this-as-it-as-no-bearing-on-me type stuff but i've just had a meeting with a friend who wanted us to build a site for her - cms inc. type thing - it's taken a long time; first time we've done cms stuff and tried

Re: [WSG] Customers who won't pay

2004-11-23 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Tash THREAD CLOSED Firstly I want to close this thread because this is not appropriate to WSG (sorry). Can anyone help me with the line i should take? Anyone have this type of experience before? Am embarrassed by my naivety. Sorry if this is not appropriate for WSG. I think this has

Re: [WSG] Customers who won't pay

2004-11-23 Thread Natasha Hall
Hiya Thanks for your response and am really really sorry for using this as my advice-line but up until about half a minute ago was feeling a tad disallusioned. I really appreciate your good advice; I pretty much know I've been burnt. I s'pose I can try to use it as countless code-filled hours

Re: [WSG] IE5/Mac Again

2004-11-23 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 24 Nov 2004, at 10:29 am, Jonathan T. Sage wrote: Alright, I can't for the life of me figure out why this is happening. In FF, NS, IE/Win, the #Aca div has been forced on for this page. However, for IE/Mac, it isn't there. (or is there when the mouseover and the javascript happens). Any ideas

Re: [WSG][THREAD CLOSED] Customers who won't pay

2004-11-23 Thread Mark Stanton
For the second time THIS THREAD IS CLOSED - please respond off-list if you wish to continue the discussion. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

CLOSED Re: [WSG CORE] [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread James Ellis
Hi all We've probably hit the nail on the head with this one, no more responses to the list please as it's starting to move towards noise and me-too responses. How to's on handling mime types on servers should be directed to discussion lists for that software

Re: [WSG] IE5/Mac Again

2004-11-23 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 24 Nov 2004, at 10:57 am, Jonathan T. Sage wrote: On a completely (ok, not completely) unrelated note, it seems that an additional behavior of IE5/Mac is once you trigger this behavior on a file, it dosn't like to give up it's cache of it until IE is restrated, or at least all browser windows