RE: [WSG] IE img border padding error

2004-12-17 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi Bert Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not quite a CSS expert, but I'm not sure that images, being replaced elements can officially have padding, since padding goes inside the element I am following, to some degree, Russ' tutorial:

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Hmmm... I have tried to hide the border of an input field in Opera, but it flatly refused: input{border:0;} This is Opera 7.23 oh, that bug. Fixed in 7.50 or 7.60... For Opera 7.2 use: input {border: 0 solid;} -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The

RE: [WSG] IE img border padding error

2004-12-17 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I am following, to some degree, Russ' tutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0208.htm So it is possible to style an image to have padding and a border. I don't see image padding mentioned, at least not on that page. Just not sure why my version isn't working in

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread john
OMG...I'm not worthy. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter on 12/17/2004 5:44 AM Leslie Riggs said the following: Now THIS is what makes designing with CSS fun!! I just love this. Leslie Riggs

RE: [WSG] IE img border padding error

2004-12-17 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi again I am following, to some degree, Russ' tutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0208.htm So it is possible to style an image to have padding and a border. I don't see image padding mentioned, at least not on that page. The CSS code on Russ' tutorial highlights

RE: [WSG] Site review plz - Thank you.

2004-12-17 Thread Jacobus van Niekerk
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RE: [WSG] IE img border padding error

2004-12-17 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day again. The CSS code on Russ' tutorial highlights the padding as per below: .floatright { ...snip... padding: 10px; /* This line uses the padding */ border: 1px solid #666; } As I've been saying, that's the container, not the image: div class=floatrightimg ...

[WSG] Nav bar rounding error problem

2004-12-17 Thread Andy Budd
Hi Folks, I'm creating a simple vertical nav bar using a styled list. Should be pretty easy as it's something I've done a hundred times. However this time I've run into problems with browser rounding errors. I've come up with another way of doing it, but it's not as elegant as the initial

Re: [WSG] Nav bar rounding error problem

2004-12-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 17 Dec 2004, at 8:45 pm, Andy Budd wrote: Hi Folks, I'm creating a simple vertical nav bar using a styled list. Should be pretty easy as it's something I've done a hundred times. However this time I've run into problems with browser rounding errors. http://www.message.uk.com/test/nav/

RE: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-17 Thread RMW Web Publishing
Talking about NN4, it seems that the updated OptusNet Helpdesk (for those O/S - Optus is .au's 2nd largest Telco) has started (not fully - still some layout tables) to move to Web Standards and not bothered with NN4 prettiness (the header fails). But the site seems to be doing something a

RE: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Christie Mason
In my Firefox .9.3, both sites only show text and some colored backgrounds. I had to view them in IE to see the wow factors. Christie Mason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Laakso Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:51 AM To: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:27:16 -0600, Christie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my Firefox .9.3, both sites only show text and some colored backgrounds. I had to view them in IE to see the wow factors. Christie Mason I am absoultely sure you did not see real wow factors with IE - for the

Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-17 Thread David R
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Why do you let 8-year-old browser to stop you from making good pages? I agree that webpages should be accessible to all - they should work without CSS and JavaScript. I don't :) I just use the @import; rule to prevent NN4 from loading the stylesheets, and a bit of

RE: [WSG] Site review plz - Thank you.

2004-12-17 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Very nice! Nice colour scheme also. And Azapi sounds like a great product also. One feature I particularly like is the ability to easily resize the screen font size. As it nears dawn (about 12:30am now) and your eyesight starts fading that is a really nice touch. I tried it with FireFox 1.0

Re: [WSG] IE img border padding error

2004-12-17 Thread Charlie Barr
Just have time for a quick glance, but I think it looks nice, it validates, and it doesn't have unintelligible markup so my screen reader doesn't struggle with it. Just to make sure, you're not going to keep the Heading Two, Heading Three, etc. right? Because in my screen reader it says

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-17 Thread Paul Connolley
On 17 Dec 2004, at 03:29, Hugh Todd wrote: Anyone come up with, or implemented, a 3-column layout of this sort in which the left and right columns also stretch as a percentage of the page width? I refer you to Zoe Gillenwater (http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=1cid=AFC58). I

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Charlie Barr
The diver doesn't show up in my version of IE6. I'm thinking that's by design. Rimantas Liubertas has created a disturbance in the Force. I felt its presence on 12/17/2004 8:44 AM. Its substance was as follows: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:27:16 -0600, Christie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my

RE: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Christie Mason
Yes, I did use the correct URL, you may want to use something like Tiny URL for future links. I may have missed some opacity in IE but I didn't really feel like I missed anything, the page was still very wow. Unfortunately, I'm not fond of wow. Christie Mason -Original Message- From:

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-17 Thread bgilbertnc
what if you want one of the columns to have a border around it, say the right column. How can this be done? Bruce Gilbert webmaster DPS-Original Message- From: Mani Sheriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Dec 16, 2004 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Tom Livingston
I'm getting weird things in Safari 1.2.3 OS X.3.5. Safari either shows no flashlight turning on *or* the bg to the diver is a tall column, almost the reverse of the ocean gradient, and the flashlight works. FF 1.0 Mac works great. Anyone else?? Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com

Re: [WSG] [OT] Link wrapping [was: Another amazing css zen garden entry]

2004-12-17 Thread Felix Miata
Christie Mason wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:27:16 -0600, Christie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my Firefox .9.3, both sites only show text and some colored backgrounds. I had to view them in IE to see the wow factors. I am

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-17 Thread Mani Sheriar
what if you want one of the columns to have a border around it, say the right column. How can this be done? If you want one of the columns to have a border, then you just apply the border property to the column and your 200x1 pixel gif can have that border on it as well. Should work fine. One

[WSG] Semantic Mark-Up for Product Catalog

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Creating a product catalog/blog for client. It will serve as a site for posting used construction equipment. In the following name/value listing what would be the most semantic mark-up. Product Name: Product Number: Product Description: Product Cost: CK __

RE: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Francesco
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:41:12 -0600, Christie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yes, I did use the correct URL, you may want to use something like Tiny URL for future links. URL123 (http://url123.com) is really handy for posting long URLs in email. It even allows you to save links you've shared,

Re: [WSG] Semantic Mark-Up for Product Catalog

2004-12-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:46:20 -0500, Michael Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: In the following name/value listing what would be the most semantic mark-up. Product Name: Product Number: Product Description: Product Cost: I'd probably use a definition list: dl dtMy

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Vaska . WSG
It's not beautiful if you zoom your text. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Semantic Mark-Up for Product Catalog

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Both are viable solutions, would the dl be more scalable for floating an image with caption beside it. With the table you mentioned Lynx support, does Lynx choke on dl? C On Friday, December 17, 2004, at 09:09 AM, Kornel Lesinski wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:46:20 -0500, Michael Wilson

RE: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Helmut Granda
Everything has a weakness -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaska.WSG Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry It's not beautiful if you zoom your text.

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Todd Baker wrote: hang on a sec.. Ill just pick my jaw up of the ground Thats amazing. those bubbles own :) seriously, awesome job. But, its not balanced at all. Until i got to the bottom i was like ok, what's the big deal?. Perhaps thats a feat in and of itself...

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Mathias Bynens
That so rocks. Too bad it won't get listed on there, because it causes IE problems. On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:01:30 -0500, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd Baker wrote: hang on a sec.. Ill just pick my jaw up of the ground Thats amazing. those bubbles own :)

Re: [WSG] The Holy Grail ... CSS Liquid Three-Column Layout

2004-12-17 Thread bgilbertnc
I was able to achieve the border on my right column with adding a border to by bgimage, thanks Mani. One problem I am having though. I have a header image that is exactly 800px, so I want my whole page to be no more than 800px wide. I have set my #wrapper to 800px. In IE my right column

Re: [WSG] Semantic Mark-Up for Product Catalog

2004-12-17 Thread Gary Menzel
Yes both are viable. I would use the dl when I was expecting to have a few per page type layout that would be more like a brochure layout. I would use the table when what I wanted was - you guessed it - a table layout. My own personal guideline for table VS anything else is simply asking myself

RE: [WSG] Semantic Mark-Up for Product Catalog

2004-12-17 Thread Graham
And please, please, if using a table remember to include row and column scope. On a table as small as this it is not really essential, but once the table grows (or if served from a database where it could be any size) good column and row headings with scope attributes are essential. table

Re: [WSG] Semantic Mark-Up for Product Catalog

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Any browser idiosyncrasy with dl? I'm hoping none exist with tables. CK PS Thanks for the many viable solutions On Friday, December 17, 2004, at 01:49 PM, Graham wrote: And please, please, if using a table remember to include row and column scope. On a table as small as this it is not really

Re: [WSG] Semantic Mark-Up for Product Catalog

2004-12-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
And please, please, if using a table remember to include row and column scope. What is the default scope? -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] IE img border padding error

2004-12-17 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi Charlie RE: http://www.xert.com.au/workshop/pbyron628/ Just have time for a quick glance, but I think it looks nice, it validates, and it doesn't have unintelligible markup so my screen reader doesn't struggle with it. Just to make sure, you're not going to keep the Heading Two,

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Andrew Krespanis
I know I'm way out on a limb with this one, but the ocean thing really doesn't do anything for me... The diver/flashlight effect is cool (even though it looks a bit nasty as it goes over the gradient) and the rendered ocean floor has really nice lighting, but besides that... Comments like I'm not

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread JohnyB
I know I'm way out on a limb with this one, but the ocean thing really doesn't do anything for me... The diver/flashlight effect is cool (even though it looks a bit nasty as it goes over the gradient) and the rendered ocean floor has really nice lighting, but besides that... I have to agree with

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread J4Web
Some of us are pretty impressed and even mystified at the guy's technical creativity at utilising standards-based techniques to achieve the effects of the diver and the light and the bubbles and the crab. It is that sense of seeing art at the cutting-edge of science that makes us go wow.

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Francesco
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:58:11 +1100, J4Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: When I first saw it, I thought ooh this is a nice color scheme and use of animated gifs and that was about it. It is quite creative. Francesco Sanfilippo, Developer / Designer ---

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 17 Dec 2004, at 10:01 am, Kornel Lesinski wrote: divinput//div div {background: darkcolor url(darkimage);} input {opacity: 0.5; -moz-opacity: 1; background: lightcolor url(lightimage);} As far as I know currently it is quite safe, but it will start to cause trouble when Opera implements

RE: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-17 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Philippe Wittenbergh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 18 December 2004 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons What is wrong with solution 3: input type=image src=Searchbutton.gif alt=Search title=search /

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-17 Thread Andrew Krespanis
It is that sense of seeing art at the cutting-edge of science that makes us go wow. Good point John, I can't argue with that :) The backgrounds are great, the css is cutting edge. That doesn't make it a great design though. Could the people who think it is so non-wow, please explain to us in