script
var msg=Don't Look Now;
/script
a href=# onclick=alert(msg)Don't Look Now/abr /
Very smart Bruce. The other method's more compact, but that's some
good lateral thinking.
Have You Validated Your Code?
John Horner
Hi all,
I have a client that insists on having a dropdown menu. I have tried
talking them out of it, but no. So I have to implement one of the web
gadgets that I detest most of all.
Fortunately only a basic single level vertical dropdown is needed. I've
looked at some techniques but haven't
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Hi Rob
For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip
links.
Very nice. I also like what Molly has done http://www.molly.com/
Use the tab key - 2nd tab
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Need a web
Hi,
I am not shure is my menu realisation fit to your requierments, but
you could take a look:
http://siter.com.au/dmitry/dyn-3-menu/index.html
On 4/14/05, Roger Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I have a client that insists on having a dropdown menu. I have tried
talking them out
Hi,
I used on recently from Alist-Apart (www.alistapart.com)
There is a new article specially on the advantages and disadvantages
of drop downs. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid/ - all code
inclusive.
Jeremy Dowe
Web Designer / Librarian
6/43 Devoy St,
OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I
use the tab key in both
sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where
the navigation
should appear that each link appears.
For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key
Hi all
Im doing a bit of pro bono work at the moment and not having ever used
fixed font sizes, was wondering if there are any percentage or em
equivalents or formulas to convert from:
FONT-SIZE: 11px;
FONT-SIZE: 22px;
FONT-SIZE: 10px;
FONT-SIZE: 14px;
FONT-SIZE: 16px;
etc
to more accessible
Neerav wrote:
Im doing a bit of pro bono work at the moment and not having ever used
fixed font sizes, was wondering if there are any percentage or em
equivalents or formulas to convert from:
FONT-SIZE: 11px;
etc
to more accessible font size units
The Kubrick template at
Neerav wrote:
was wondering if there are any percentage or em
equivalents or formulas to convert from:
FONT-SIZE: 11px, 22px, 10px, 14px and 16px.
To go from pixels to em's, simply divide by 16.
HTH
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On 14 Apr 2005 at 15:35, Bruce Morrison wrote:
var msg=Don't Look Now;
/script
a href=# onclick=alert(msg)Don't Look Now/abr /
This works. But what to do if the message also needs inside?
Make it generic:
var msg=Don + String.fromCharCode(39) + use +
String.fromCharCode(34) + too +
On 4/14/05 2:51 AM Juergen Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
var msg=Don't Look Now;
/script
a href=# onclick=alert(msg)Don't Look Now/abr /
This works. But what to do if the message also needs inside?
Can we keep the javascript cr*p off this list? Thanks!
Rick Faaberg
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Lea de Groot wrote, On 14.04.2005 04:50:
I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface whereby the
'skip' link became visible on the first tab, but was hidden if that
didnt happen.
I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never
been able to get Opera
This table by reed design might be helpful:
http://www.reeddesign.co.uk/test/points-pixels.html
kemie
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Alex and kemie
I tip my hat to you, your advice worked perfectly :-)
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There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables:
label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;}
and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari,
but totally fails in Gecko...
Does anyone know how to get it working in Gecko?
I prefer doing forms that way, because I'm styling code
that I don't
Hi Guys and gals,
I have been trying to present the information relating to a novel in a more
interesting style than 'just text' or indeed three columns, and have
experimented with a sort of newspaper style. The newspaper is a fictitious
one which is mentioned often in the novel, and my effort
At 04:44 AM 4/14/2005, designer wrote:
I have been trying to present the information relating to a novel in a more
interesting style than 'just text' or indeed three columns, and have
experimented with a sort of newspaper style. The newspaper is a fictitious
one which is mentioned often in the
On 14 Apr 2005, at 7:22 pm, Susanne Jaeger wrote:
I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never
been able to get Opera cooperating.
a:focus works in other browser but Opera seems not to use these styles
when keyboard activated via a or q. Does anyone know more about
this
On 14 Apr 2005, at 8:29 pm, Kornel Lesinski wrote:
There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables:
label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;}
and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari,
but totally fails in Gecko...
Does anyone know how to get it working in Gecko?
You can try
Alistapart is a leader in wd on-line magazine. But what do you think
about www.digital-web.com? It's growing everyday, maybe the best
navigation-system on the web, a nice approach to web design, simple and
complete.
So: what do you think about?
:)
P.S. Logically, I still love ala.
Hello Neerav,
You can even use em unit for your element dimensions too. So all your
layout can zoom in/out too.
The easy way I know is to define what 1em is by telling first in pixels :
html {
font-size: 10px !important; /* understood and respected by browsers
except for IE that will take
Kornel,
Am Donnerstag, 14. April 2005 um 13:29:47 haben Sie geschrieben:
KL There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables:
KL label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;}
KL I prefer doing forms that way, because I'm styling code
KL that I don't have full control of and I don't like to
My apologies for not explaining the thread closure earlier.
I closed the thread due to the aggressive nature of the last post, not due
to the topic of javascript. My concern was that the post could have lead to
a possible flame war and this is definitely something we do not want to see
on this
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:35:31 +0100, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There is a very easy way of doing forms without tables:
label {display: inline-block; width: 10em;}
and it works in IE/win, IE/mac, Opera and Safari,
but totally fails in Gecko...
Does anyone know how to get it
On Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:50pm, Lea de Groot wrote:
I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface
whereby the 'skip' link became visible on the first tab,
but was hidden if that didnt happen. I think Mike Pepper
does it at http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/
That's the method I
Hello WSG,
I have some problems with a design I have been working with (working on it
for over a month now), and I have looked at it so long, I am just lost as to
where to go next to solve my problems with it.
The mockup of the design is here:
Thanks Paul,
- Original Message -
From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: webstandards group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] newspaper format
[snip]
Bob,
Your two-column 'newspaper' format works for me cosmetically but not as
Hi Mike,
Only partially at the moment because I have no time :(
But, if you don't mind the background image problem, my actual Website is a
good exemple : http://www.echo3d.com (and if you go under portfolio, click a
project, and look at the content image. It use the same technique so you'll
be
On 14 apr 2005, at 09.07, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote:
I am not shure is my menu realisation fit to your requierments, but
you could take a look:
http://siter.com.au/dmitry/dyn-3-menu/index.html
On 14 apr 2005, at 09.58, Jeremy Dowe wrote:
There is a new article specially on the advantages and
was wondering if there are any percentage or em
equivalents or formulas to convert from:
FONT-SIZE: 11px, 22px, 10px, 14px and 16px.
To go from pixels to em's, simply divide by 16.
Is this a cross-browser, cross-platform formula? Is there a chart of
the standard settings for browsers, and
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lori Leach
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:10 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Need some CSS help
Hello WSG,
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/pa/guiR3.jpg
:
On 13 Apr 2005 at 15:26, tee wrote:
I do not code with (#x...) entities for unicode Chinese. I did make sure
every character is unicode-able. Everything display properly in other
browsers except IE 5 Mac. I have no way to find out as all characters are
in ? in the source code.
Hi tee,
my
I'm converting a book to a website and am mulling over various ways to
implement the text, index, and end-notes in web-standards, accessible XHTML
and CSS, potentially with the aid of scripting. I welcome your feedback
and links to existing examples on the net.
Index format
Maybe this is what you're looking for http://www.udm4.com/ (but I guess
you're already aware their existence)
Kim
Roger Johansson wrote:
On 14 apr 2005, at 09.07, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote:
I am not shure is my menu realisation fit to your requierments, but
you could take a look:
Roger Johansson wrote:
* Semantic markup (i.e. nested unordered lists)
* Graceful degradation when support for CSS and/or JavaScript is
missing
* Keyboard navigable, preferrably with optionally expandable menus.
* Top level menu items should be real links
* Menus drop down on hover
On 14 Apr 2005 at 11:46, Paul Novitski wrote:
I'm converting a book to a website and am mulling over various ways to
implement the text, index, and end-notes in web-standards, accessible XHTML
and CSS, potentially with the aid of scripting.
Hi Paul,
before doing all these later things I
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:21 +0200, Piero Fissore wrote:
Alistapart is a leader in wd on-line magazine. But what do you think about
www.digital-web.com http://www.digital-web.com? It's growing everyday,
maybe the best navigation-system on the web, a nice approach to web design,
simple and
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:46:10 -0700, Paul Novitski wrote:
I'm converting a book to a website and am mulling over various ways
to implement the text, index, and end-notes in web-standards,
accessible XHTML and CSS, potentially with the aid of scripting. I
welcome your feedback and links to
When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis,
what do you do or tell them?
Jeff
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Jeff Oien wrote:
When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis,
what do you do or tell them?
a) it's not the 1991 anymore
b) it can cause seizures in users with photosensitive epilepsy
c) there are far better ways to add emphasis (most involving good
design, creating visual hierarchies,
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:48:28 +0100, Jeff Oien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis,
what do you do or tell them?
That he's not a professional designer.
He has hired one that makes right decisions for him.
Blinking text is a step in that direction:
Paul Novitski wrote:
div class=colleft
You should avoid presentational class names. May be overkill, but
possibly opt for something like class=firstsection
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Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I
use the tab key in both
sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where
the navigation
should appear that each link appears.
I'm guessing it may be this:
You
Been asked to do the front end visual design of a web app a local
company is doing. Just looking for some great designs to get ideas from.
Any links appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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David wrote:
Been asked to do the front end visual design of a web app a local
company is doing. Just looking for some great designs to get ideas from.
Any links appreciated.
Would help to know what type of web app you mean.
http://www.basecamphq.com/ is nice; http://www.blogger.com/ can be
If you are looking for inspirational eye-candy that are also good example of
coding:
http://www.webstandardsawards.com/
http://www.stylegala.com
¤ devendra ¤
David wrote:
Been asked to do the front end visual design of a web app a local
company is doing. Just looking for some great
One small thing that bothers me with the tab to make skip nav visible
approach.
What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the
[skip nav], thinks bugger this and leaves before tabbing? Especially if
the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement.
I'd
Ben Wrighton wrote:
What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the
[skip nav], thinks bugger this and leaves before tabbing? Especially if
the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement.
That would probably depend on why they came to the site in the
Are users really *that* impatient? Does the physically disabled site user
not even bother to see if the content on the page is worth-while? As a
developer who believes in validation, would you not bother looking at a page
if you you didn't see a little xhtml link at the bottom?
Should we bother
Richard, these are all good questions. The best thing to do as actually
observe real people (with disabilities) interacting with sites.
I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who
become frustrated and leave sites very quickly. They are more likely to
struggle on if the
They mentioned basecamphq as something nice - Web apps like that ...
I know about stylegala and css vault , etc, etc...
More stuff like basecamphq is what Im after...
Thanks
Would help to know what type of web app you mean.
http://www.basecamphq.com/ is nice; http://www.blogger.com/ can be
russ - maxdesign wrote:
I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who
become frustrated and leave sites very quickly.
Even before one or two tabs though?
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I accept the point, Russ.
However, on a practical level, the concern that Ben expressed regarding
accessibility compared to the importance of the content on the page is a
decision the users need to make all the time and one that doesn't usually
cost a lot:
Interesting content... I guess I'll
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:03:50 +1200, Ben Wrighton wrote:
What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the
[skip nav], thinks bugger this and leaves before tabbing? Especially if
the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement.
And the obvious solution
On 4/14/05 2:48 PM Jeff Oien [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
When a client wants some flashing text for emphasis,
what do you do or tell them?
I've seen some fairly tasteful things done with Flash to provide visual
interest. Maybe something as simple as horizontal scroll or simple animation
Looks fine on my iMac (OS X 10.2.8) and Firefox 1.0/Safari 1.0.3
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Hi all,
I am interested in people's thoughts about using quirks mode (ie adding ?xml
version=1.0
encoding=utf-8? before the doctype) vs standards mode.
What do most people use?
Which option requires *less* css hacks, and is *more* standards compliant
across the widest range of
modern
Hi,
Getting a few complaints lately about useless traffic and untrimmed posts.
If your answer to a post is Looks fine on mine or Thanks for the help then
please post it directly to the sender rather than the list. 1600+ other people
really don't need to see it.
I can't tell you how on every
This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have
heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are.
I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until
the main content.
Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest Saying
Latin -
Bob,
Looks good on Mac (OSX 10.3.8 15 inch G4 PowerBook Firefox / Safari)
and PC (XP Firefox / IE). 3 col xhtml is tricky, I know!
In case you are interested in an actual 3 column newspaper website in
xhtml check out the San Francisco Examiner at
http://www.sfexaminer.com/ .
Good Luck,
Brian
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
I am interested in people's thoughts about using quirks mode (ie
adding ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? before the doctype) vs
standards mode.
Think we had a similar discussion a few months back...
It is recommended to use the xml-prolog with xhtml1.0, and it _is
only_
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