Hello standardistas,
I just published a page with the new Google pages service and I
would like to share it with you all:
http://sirokai.googlepages.com/home
If you do a view source you will see some pretty bad markup. An XHTML
1.0 Strict doctype with invalid nesting and font tags. Seems like a
Dear co-members,
I would like to ask your opinion here, if a web site logo should or not
link to the homepage.
By the way, see for example what Jesper Tverskov wrote about this:
http://www.smackthemouse.com/20040719
Thanks in advance for your kind responces.
Kind regards,
John S. Britsios
Christian Montoya wrote:
http://sirokai.googlepages.com/home
If you do a view source you will see some pretty bad markup. An XHTML
1.0 Strict doctype with invalid nesting and font tags.
No surprises there...
Welcome to the future
...It will look a lot like the past, I'm afraid.
I think it should. I think people are used to clicking on a logo to
return to the home page and if you are going to make the logo a link -
the standard location for it is home.
I guess it could link through to Information about the Company or
individual but I don't think this is the norm.
I
Hello!
I'm creating a page that has a part with a list of names, I want to
represent the list in three columns as this:
++++
| Name 1 | Name 5 | Name 9 |
| Name 2 | Name 6 |
Name 10 |
| Name 3 | Name 7 |
Name 11 |
| Name 4 | Name 8 |
Name 12 |
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Neither Google, nor most of those who might use that or similar
services, care all that much about XHTML - or any other standard.
Now, which Task Force over at http://www.webstandards.org/ should take
on the task of fixing this Google service? Should keep any Task Force
Kevin Futter wrote:
Anyway, for the benefit of others interested in this thread/topic, the
upshot from the above link seems to be that the pipe character (|) is the
best compromise currently available as a screen reader-friendly element
separator.
I profoundly disagree with that. The vertical
Hi Roberto,
You'll be pleased to know that there
is a really cool example of this exact scenario at ALA...
http://www.alistapart.com/d/multicolumnlists/example6.html
The full article can be found
here...
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists
Cheers
Nathan
Hello!I'm
Great! thanks!
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Hi Roberto,
You'll be pleased to
know that there is a really cool example of this exact scenario at
ALA...
http://www.alistapart.com/d/multicolumnlists/example6.html
The full article can
be found here...
hello,
ALA is the best, I'm absolutly with you ...
for some more inspiration maybe,
one of my favorites here: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/column.htmlordered unordered three-column lists ... àla stu
cheers from vienna :) bit
On 2/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ian Anderson wrote:
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Neither Google, nor most of those who might use that or similar
services, care all that much about XHTML - or any other standard.
I think this is a little harsh.
Ok ;-)
I tend to be quite pessimistic after having seen the results of many
such
Hello all,
If I have an image which has a relationship to other content within a
containing element how should this be marked up.
For instance:
1.
div class=person
h2Person A/h2
img src=person_a.jpg /
ul
liBig feet/li
liSmall hands/li
/ul
/div
2.
div class=person
h2Person A/h2
pimg
On 23 Feb 2006, at 11:19, Ian Anderson wrote:
Kevin Futter wrote:
Anyway, for the benefit of others interested in this thread/topic,
the
upshot from the above link seems to be that the pipe character (|)
is the
best compromise currently available as a screen reader-friendly
element
If the name order is not important, use a UL with LIs styled with
float:left; width:29% or similar. This way, It degrades nicely and
works on small screens (the elements are coerced into a single column.
On 23 Feb 2006, at 11:02, Roberto Santana wrote:
Hello!
I'm creating a page that
On 2/22/06 11:05 PM, Angus at InfoForce Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am sorry if this is off topic. I do not know who to ask. I have my screen
resolution to default to 800 by 600 and thinking of changeing to 1024 by
768. I still would like to view my web pages in 800 by 600. I really
What are people doing to markup lists of links, like bread
crumbs. There seems to be some consensus that UL and LI
elements should be used for each link with CSS styling.
But what about giving the list of links a title for use by
screen reader users or people who are using technologies that
do
Tom,
Here's what I think you need in your code:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=XX xml:lang=XX head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type
On 2/23/06, Ian Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Neither Google, nor most of those who might use that or similar
services, care all that much about XHTML - or any other standard.
Now, which Task Force over at http://www.webstandards.org/ should take
on the task
See the note I just sent to Tom Livingston entitled '[WSG] Web page
translations'
RI
Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
i not source! i think that refers to a page with 'fixed' sidebars (left
right) and 'flexible' center.
Anyway, i updated the sample as a whole flexible page that you can look
at:
http://www.eatons.net/css/index.html
In fact i have not tested it Windows Explorer, so if you spot a
'prickly',
Ian Anderson wrote:
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/?2004/11/06/6-the-sound-of-the-accessibl
e-title-tag-separator
Anyway, for the benefit of others interested in this thread/topic,
the upshot from the above link seems to be that the pipe character
(|) is the best compromise currently
Lachlan wrote:
That code [XSLT] your referring too seems to be incomplete.
As I mentioned in previous email, it is to illustrate the technique and not
meant to be the final script.
Lachlan wrote:
Fair enough, but do you agree that if there is no intention
of any further XML processing, then
Hi,
I'm trying to get my text resizer to work in FF/IE/Opera but for some
reason I don't see the AP div (#textbox) on the page?
Go to this page http://www.mouseriders.dk/til_michael/index_white.php
and select Hvid/blå kontrast from the selectbox and click the submit
(I'm not done with the
Pardon a silly question, but is it standard
procedure to introduce one's self? I stumbled upon this site several days ago
and have been inundated with wonderfully interesting and helpful information
ever since.
I did read that I need to only use plain text, so I
must first figure out how
Sharon wrote:
[...] I am Sharron a resident of the state of Texas, USA. I am a fairly
newcomer to css, validation etcetera. [...]
Welcome Sharon!
Sincerely,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com/
http://accessites.org/
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On 2/23/06, Caleb Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it should. I think people are used to clicking on a logo to
return to the home page and if you are going to make the logo a link -
the standard location for it is home.
I think we can make this a design pattern. One thing that helps is
Another Texan! Welcome Sharron. I'm here in Austin. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:06:29 PMSubject: [WSG] Introduction and first submission Pardon
a silly question, but is it standard procedure to introduce
Thank you for your kind welcome. I am excited about
learning more. I wish there were more minutes in a day so I could absorb all
that I can. I am quite afraid that I am more limited by my brain cells, then
time constraints though.
Paul, I am not all that far from you, Waco area. I
see from
Welcome Sharron.. Im in Austin too! (just in case you were wondering J )
...helmut
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Menard
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006
2:13 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Introduction
and first
Stephen Stagg wrote:
For the benefit of Screen-readers and textmode browsers, I add a LI with
the text 'breadcrumb' at the top of the list which is then hidden using
CSS. It's not a perfect solution but it works.
ul
li class=firstBreadcrumb: /
liaMenu Item 1//
liaMenu Item 2//
Texas, really is a great placeisn't it!
smile
- Original Message -
From:
Helmut
Granda
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:34
PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Introduction and first
submission
Welcome Sharron.. Im
in
Oh I
can see an Austin WSG forming already!
-Original Message-From: Helmut Granda
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 7:35
AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG]
Introduction and first submission
Welcome Sharron.. Im
in Austin too!
Linking back to the Home page via a logo placed top-left is one of those
design conventions/patterns that users of various experience appear to be
learning. I haven't seen novice users navigating this way, but certainly
users with moderate computer/internet literacy are.
However, I don't agree
trust the Texans to be loud!
;)
Tip - a great resource site: http://www.alvit.de/handbook/ [web developer's
handbook]
Paul
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To:
For me it seems very natural to have it link back to home, but I would
also like to see an explicit link in the navigation to take me home as
well.
On 23/02/06, John S. Britsios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear co-members,
I would like to ask your opinion here, if a web site logo should or not
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Oh I can see an Austin WSG forming already!
And more powers to them ;-)
Welcome, Sharron
mark
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Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Christian, can you point us to an example where home text has been added to
the logo on site sub-pages? I'm really interested to see the type of sites
that are implementing this.
Lisa,
This idea appears on page 63 and then discussed on page 67 of Steve
Krug's, Don't
Woah! They're such low resolutions, do you only have a 15 monitor?
Gee you guys ... not everyone has the latest 'n greatest in equipment.
My work (government) PC has a 17 mon, 800x600 (because I LIKE this
res, and I wish I had a dollar for every site I have to horizontal
scroll on). My
John:
We have had a few small projects where we did not link back to home
via the logo. In each of the usability tests, the users overwhelmingly
tried clicking on the logo to return home and were very frustrated
when the could not click.
So, based from practical usability experience, I am going
It's one of those design conventions that doesn't impact on the visual
design of a page at all, but definitely does effect the user experience. I
do think users are 'learning' to expect this type of functionality and I
can't think of a reason why you wouldn't implement it.
lisa
-Original
I'm here in Austin.
[...]
Im in Austin too!
So you'll be the ones who should advise a good BBQ there, during SXSW ;)
Oh I can see an Austin WSG forming already!
A joint venture with Refresh (http://refreshaustin.org/) maybe? :)
--
Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com |
pardon me yet again, but what is this...SXSW ?
- Original Message -
From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission
I'm here in Austin.
[...]
Im in Austin too!
So
South by South West - specifically the Interactive festival, being held in
Austin in just a few weeks.
http://www.sxsw.com
-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 11:40 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG]
pardon me yet again, but what is this...SXSW ?
An event where you can meet many folks from this list:
http://2006.sxsw.com/interactive/
--
Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net
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well, I'll be, I should have been able to figure that out! Off to check out
the link you so kindly provided.
Sharron
- Original Message -
From: Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Introduction and
Actually to reply to to Jan first. There is (or was) a WSG group here in
Austin. At least as of
SXSW 2005. They had a big party over at Frog Design. Great group of folks. I'm
on a mailing or
invite for the monthly meeting. Have been traveling and you know according to
Murphy's law I will
always
Speaking of web page translations, I'm going to be getting copy decks of
a web page[1] translated into six different languages. I'm on the right
start by having the lines in my html code as specified in the email
below. :-)
Now, to do the side nav (all I have so far), I had fun(!) because
Dear Paul,
Laughingly, I lead a rather sheltered life. Not to offer an excuse for being
ignorant of such thing, I am not a native Texan, but quite proud to be a
transplant and about a resident for more than 10 years!
Thanks for the link, I will check it out.
Sorry you will miss out on
As promised. For those in and around Austin the Austin WSG group used to be on
Meetup.com. Then
the jerks wanted to start charging. So James Craig, the moderator, moved the
list to Yahoo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AustinWSM/ Seems they still have monthly meetup.
Maybe some folks
from this
HI Zulema,
Zulema wrote:
Speaking of web page translations, I'm going to be getting copy decks of
a web page[1] translated into six different languages. I'm on the right
start by having the lines in my html code as specified in the email
below. :-)
Now, to do the side nav (all I have so
Hi, interestingly, one of my testers who uses a screen reader recently
suggested taking the link off the logo in the head mast and the reasons
made sense
* the img alt text read 'logo' but the link went to home
* there was already a clear text link to home on the site, so this meant
a second
I've worked with a number of JS browser based HTML editors, I'm
integrating TinyMCE with an existing web app at the moment.
In my experience the authors of these JS HTML editors actually have
very little control of the code produced by these editors as it
relies heavily on HTML related
Sandra Vassallo wrote:
Hi, interestingly, one of my testers who uses a screen reader recently
suggested taking the link off the logo in the head mast and the reasons
made sense
* the img alt text read 'logo' but the link went to home
* there was already a clear text link to home on the site,
* the img alt text read 'logo' but the link went to home
Your alt attribute should be modified to correctly represent the
actual image. IMHO, 'logo' is not descriptive enough to be used as
alternative text for a linked image. I view it much the same as using
'picture' on a photo. You are not
SunUp wrote Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:49:53 +1100:
My work (government) PC has a 17 mon, 800x600 (because I LIKE this
res, and I wish I had a dollar for every site I have to horizontal
scroll on). My department has no budget for extras like fancy new
monitors.
My home PC only has a 15 mon,
I'm interested to hear if anyone in the US tried Microsoft Office live web
site builder, BETA is unavailable to us outsiders
http://officelive.microsoft.com
Thanks
Jason
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On 23/2/06 10:19 PM, Ian Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Futter wrote:
Anyway, for the benefit of others interested in this thread/topic, the
upshot from the above link seems to be that the pipe character (|) is the
best compromise currently available as a screen reader-friendly
What is it about low quality that keeps you attracted?
It's not that I'm attracted to it, I simply don't really care about it.
I see those huge fancy flat screen monitors on high res, with all
their kiddie-safe rounded corners and pastelly colours. They look like
a Fisher-Price toy.
At this res
G'day,
I had written a huge email with a ton of questions, that I realised many
really boiled down to one:
How did that one guy, 'beandizzy', pass all three tests?
http://www.goer.org/Journal/2003/Apr/index.html#results
How do I replicate those efforts?
Oh and:
1.What is the difference
Actually the alt text was descriptive on the test site, I just used
'logo' for the example. However, the description had the same problems
I mentioned. The link also added to the verbosity when read aloud by JAWS.
Justin Owens wrote:
* the img alt text read 'logo' but the link went to home
Hi Mark, I agree accessibility and usability go hand in hand. However,
changing the alt text (it was actually descriptive on the test site)
still means the link descriptions are different.
I simply mentioned it as an example of a situation where the linked
image wasn't working well from a
I see those huge fancy flat screen monitors on high res, with all
their kiddie-safe rounded corners and pastelly colours. They look like
a Fisher-Price toy.
So, where do you shop?
At this res I can read everything without squinting or leaning forward
or constantly upping the size in
Hi,
How did that one guy, 'beandizzy', pass all three tests?
http://www.goer.org/Journal/2003/Apr/index.html#results
How do I replicate those efforts?
If you read the tests, you'll see that passing them is not that hard
after all. The first two steps, xhtml validation of home page and
Kat wrote:
I had written a huge email with a ton of questions, that I realised many
really boiled down to one:
How did that one guy, 'beandizzy', pass all three tests?
http://www.goer.org/Journal/2003/Apr/index.html#results
How do I replicate those efforts?
1. The Simple Validation Test
SunUp wrote:
Woah! They're such low resolutions, do you only have a 15 monitor?
Gee you guys ... not everyone has the latest 'n greatest in equipment.
I think everyone is aware of that, it was a simple question that was not
meant to cause offence or otherwise insult or ridicule the person
Hi Sharon :)
What took you so long ... ? :)
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I would like to ask your opinion here, if a web site logo should or not
link to the homepage.
Anecdotally, I've seen a lot of users who do click the logo -
especially if it's placed at the top left of the page. It's not a
standard, but it's a common design element which many users pick up
very
Hi,
Bit late, but one is certainly on the way: http://www.enlightensupport.com
I have no idea about timescales though.
Antony
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I'm trying to get my text resizer to work in FF/IE/Opera but for some
reason I don't see the AP div (#textbox) on the page in IE6.
If you go to this page
http://www.mouseriders.dk/til_michael/index_white.php (I'm not done with
the stylesheet for this page yet) and in the selectbox please
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