[WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

I'm interested in the "front end" part of the Dutch group's name. We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills you should have to have in order to call yourself a "web developer". I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following: * HTML * CSS * Javas

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

It's an interesting question. I don't like titles, but when I got my business cards printed up for my current job, I had them call me a "web developer" because I have the skills you listed. (And since AJAX requires knowledge of Javascript and XML, or some other transport format, then I'd say it f

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

hey John :) I think highlighting AJAX as a technology would be like highlighting POSH. But that's an interesting point to raise, because there are technical skill sets and methodological/ philosophical approaches to applying technical skills. I think this is perhaps where skills like AJAX, stand

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

Extensive knowledge on HTML, CSS and Javascript would be what i call a 'front end-developer'. But even then that isn't enough, front-end developers should have alot of knowledge in the Accessiblity and Usability, and if they are can design aswell, thats all the better. When i say extensive, i mean

Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

James Jeffery wrote: No all meta tags are depreciated, and i cant see them being either, google still uses the meta="description" , as also bruce has pointed out. Not to pick on you, James, because Bruce already used it, but the word is "deprecated" not "depreciated". And before someone pic

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

On 7/3/07, John Horner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following: * HTML * CSS * Javascript * XML * Perl or PHP * SQL but what's the minimum set of skills we think someone should have to call themselves a web developer? You could make a cas

Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

On 4 Jul 2007, at 10:42, Mark Harris wrote: Not to pick on you, James, because Bruce already used it, but the word is "deprecated" not "depreciated". And before someone picks on me for being a spelling-nazi, the words have significantly different meanings, and it's important to use the ri

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

John Horner schreef: I'm interested in the "front end" part of the Dutch group's name. We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills you should have to have in order to call yourself a "web developer". I just finished a project which required knowledge of the followin

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

<...> To sum things up, for me a front-end developer uses at least one of the following techniques: - (X)HTML - CSS - JavaScript (client side) - Flash (?) I think that even for front-end developer some level of the knowledge about web servers and HTTP is essential. And cross-browser develo

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

Rimantas Liubertas schreef: <...> To sum things up, for me a front-end developer uses at least one of the following techniques: - (X)HTML - CSS - JavaScript (client side) - Flash (?) I think that even for front-end developer some level of the knowledge about web servers and HTTP is essen

Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

Sorry, that was a type error, sometimes i wizz so fast on the keyboard i miss keys and hit extra keys, must be my fat fingers. Depreciated means to lessen the value, and the value of meta tags has gone down hill from the days when they got abused to boost page rankings, but its not going to be cu

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

This is an interesting discussion. I find I cannot/don't want to call myself a web designer, and have been using the term developer because of the fact I am more into and better at php, mysql, xml and the cms aspect than design. Designer- appearance, structure including web standards layout. Dev

Re: [WSG] Skip to Content?

On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Sander Aarts wrote: > I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being the > different levels of navigation, main content, sub content (side bar) and > sometimes even the breadcrumb if it's not to close to the skip link > menu. I place the

Re: [WSG] Skip to Content?

Angel Martin Alganza schreef: On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Sander Aarts wrote: I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being the different levels of navigation, main content, sub content (side bar) and sometimes even the breadcrumb if it's not to close to the

Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

Although meta tags are depreciated, I was reading yesterday, you can still include meta information for specific spiders, like only telling yahoo spiders to go away On 7/4/07, James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, that was a type error, sometimes i wizz so fast on the keyboard i miss

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

I think I missed something in the original question. The "front end" part. Somebody else categorised some of the technologies as "back end" and that got me wondering. When I said I was a web developer, I meant back end development. So what is front end development? DHTML? Anything not related to v

Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

Although meta tags are depreciated, I was reading yesterday, you can still include meta information for specific spiders, like only telling yahoo spiders to go away I think Google and Yahoo also see rel="nofollow" on links (to prevent the link from being counted for a page's ranking - such as

Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

Hi Mark On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 21:42 +1200, Mark Harris wrote: > James Jeffery wrote: > > No all meta tags are depreciated, and i cant see them being either, google > > still uses the meta="description" , as also bruce has pointed out. > > > > Not to pick on you, James, because Bruce already used

RE: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

> i wouldn't advertise the fact i can do 'ALL' the jobs on my own in the same time it > would take a team of developers. To much hard work, so little money. That's an interesting point in itself. Should you try to be a "one-stop-shop"? It's certainly a lot easier for the client, but how good ca

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

On 05/07/07, Lucien Stals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like Bruce's suggestion for a break down, but he too acknowledges the "grey area" around development. And I'd say that once you touch the db, you are definitely back end, not front end. In the end I guess I question the validity of defining

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

Seona Bellamy wrote: My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the people who write code, be that (X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript, ColdFusion

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

On 5/7/07 9:37 AM, "Lucien Stals" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think I missed something in the original question. The "front end" > part. Somebody else categorised some of the technologies as "back end" > and that got me wondering. > > When I said I was a web developer, I meant back end develop

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

On 05/07/07, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seona Bellamy wrote: > My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the > company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with > the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the > people who wri

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

On 05/07/07, John Horner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i wouldn't advertise the fact i can do 'ALL' the jobs on my own in the same time it > would take a team of developers. To much hard work, so little money. That's an interesting point in itself. Should you try to be a "one-stop-shop"? It's ce

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

That's interesting. I wonder how many of us are in a similar position? In my role, I work in a multimedia group of 5. (1 illustrator, 1 graphic designer, 1 multi media developer who does some front end web stuff, our manager and myself). I maintain many static web pages on our public site, and d

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

On 05/07/07, Lucien Stals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What do the rest of you do? How many of us *don't* have to be a jack-of-all-trades? I guess that partly depends how you define "all trades". Now that I no longer have to do graphical work, I simply consider myself a web developer. That said

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

Seona Bellamy wrote: On 05/07/07, *dwain* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Seona Bellamy wrote: > My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the > company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with > the ideas an

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

Lucien Stals schreef: What do the rest of you do? How many of us *don't* have to be a jack-of-all-trades? Me. I work at a fairly big company (100+ employees, about half of which build websites, other departments focus on SEO, (email) marketing and trainings related to internet). I only deal

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

Javascript is really starting to move into the realm of software/application developer. Currently a bleeding edge javascript programmer has to have extensive knowledge of the entire 'web platform'. This includes: server/datastore programming, sound understanding of client/server architecture, stan

Re: [WSG] Who's A "Front End" Developer?

requirement to know 'everything'. The datastore/backend guys will just make sure the data is in a nice format (JSON or something) and that its accessible from a url - their job is done my friends. User people who know about something JSON (or any other such method of trasnsporting data between

Re: [WSG] Skip to Content?

On 04-Jul-07, at 9:29 PM, Sander Aarts wrote: Angel Martin Alganza schreef: On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Sander Aarts wrote: I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being the different levels of navigation, main content, sub content (side bar) and sometimes even

Re: [WSG] Developing Accessible Applications With Flash, Asp and visual Basic

You would be better off to use html and javascript with some flash for your a/v components. Marvin Hunkin wrote: Hi. now just wondering, can i develop flash web applications, using jaws, and say using a programming interface say like microsoft visual studio, asp, or the flash development kit,