[WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
i have a style sheet for a site that i would like to serve a netscape 4 style sheet, but i don't know how to do it. would someone offer advise as to how to do this. some sample code would be a nice touch. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread russ - maxdesign
Hey Dwain, 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will have to be quite simple. For example, NN4 requires borders around any containers where background colour and padding are used - in order for the background colour to spread out behind the padded areas. 2. you will

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
thanks russ, i'll give this a try. dwain On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dwain, 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will have to be quite simple. -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dwain, 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will have to be quite simple. when i view this site on the internet with nn4 the design breaks. i expected this. nn4 sees the background png and the

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread russ - maxdesign
Hi Dwain, Hard to tell what is going on... Can you put a simplified version online for us to see? Easier for people to help then :) Thanks Russ when i view this site on the internet with nn4 the design breaks. i expected this. nn4 sees the background png and the background images as well

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread Matijs
Hello Dwain, Are you at liberty to elaborate on the reasons for wanting to support NN4? Thanks! Matijs On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dwain, 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dwain, Are you at liberty to elaborate on the reasons for wanting to support NN4? Thanks! Matijs been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards. -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dwain, Hard to tell what is going on... Can you put a simplified version online for us to see? Easier for people to help then :) http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/affordable-custom-web-site-design.html

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
dwain wrote: On 3/23/08, *Matijs* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dwain, Are you at liberty to elaborate on the reasons for wanting to support NN4? Thanks! Matijs been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards. The latest version of

Re: [WSG] Fieldsets outside of forms. Was: Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

2008-03-23 Thread Thomas Thomassen
In addition to using the dictionary, it's worth looking up how W3C uses the terms in relationship with the specs. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt While MUST and MUST NOT would be more handy, reality is grey sometimes and does depend on the interpretation of the author. The biggest problem

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dwain wrote: been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards. The latest version of NN4 came out in 1998. Zeldman's book came out in first edition in 2003, and at that time there may have still been some NN4 users out there.

Re: [WSG] Fieldsets outside of forms. Was: Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

2008-03-23 Thread Keryx Web
tee skrev: Perhaps it will help the web standards if W3C to be more authoritative and dictatorial? MUST NOT, MUST, ABSOLUTELY NOT, ILLEGAL TO USE, NOT ALLOWED to replace these ambiguous MAY NOT, SHOULD, SHOULD NOT. If one reads the specs these words are not ambiguous. W3C uses these words

[WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-23 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I was working on some examples for the use of del and ins. http://www.thomthom.net/blog/2008/03/document-history-viewer-making-use-of-del-and-ins/ As I was working on this I wanted to mark up a list where items had been added and removed. That's when I realised that you can't wrap up li dt or

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-23 Thread Keryx Web
Thomas Thomassen skrev: I posted a comment about it in the W3C public HTML discussion group, hoping it'd be picked up and amend HTML5's specification to allow this. However, there's yet been any response. Is there any other place I could air this issue in hope of it getting heards by the

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread Designer
dwain wrote: On 3/23/08, *Patrick H. Lauke* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dwain wrote: been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards. The latest version of NN4 came out in 1998. Zeldman's book came out in first edition in 2003, and at that

[WSG] Web Standards in India

2008-03-23 Thread Amrinder Sandhu
Hello Friends I am a web standard designer from India where there is very less awareness about terms like Web Standards, Usability, Accessibility and User experience. I want your help and advice as to make Web Standards known to people here in India. Also, I would like to know any Indians

Re: [WSG] Web Standards in India

2008-03-23 Thread Keryx Web
Amrinder Sandhu skrev: Hello Friends I am a web standard designer from India where there is very less awareness about terms like Web Standards, Usability, Accessibility and User experience Perhaps you could contact Navjot Pawera, Web Standards Project International Liaison in India?

Re: [WSG] Web Standards in India

2008-03-23 Thread varun krishnan
Hi Amrinder , Im from India also Do you want to start a mailing list for Web standards in India ? regards, Varun On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amrinder Sandhu skrev: Hello Friends I am a web standard designer from India where there is very less

RE: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread Thierry Koblentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Designer Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css dwain wrote: On 3/23/08, *Patrick H. Lauke* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css I agree. imho, if an author has time/budget/knowledge to support NN4, then why not? Dwain, If you target only NN4 and no other old browsers, then you could use

[WSG] Flash list

2008-03-23 Thread Laert Jansen
Hello there! Does anyone here know any good dicussion list about flash/actionscript? Thanks a lot, Laert -- Laert Jansen www.laertjansen.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Flash list

2008-03-23 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
I wanted to join up to the question, but regarding Java Script lists, can't google any cos instead of actual lists, google lists scripts for mail lists, lol. Hope it's not OF. Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Sunlust Designs http://sunlust.net

RE: [WSG] Flash list

2008-03-23 Thread Anna Vester
Hello there! Does anyone here know any good dicussion list about flash/actionscript? Thanks a lot, Laert Laert, Here are two Flash lists that I'm aware of: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

Re: [WSG] Flash list

2008-03-23 Thread Laert Jansen
Hey Anna, thanks a lot :-) On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Anna Vester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there! Does anyone here know any good dicussion list about flash/actionscript? Thanks a lot, Laert Laert, Here are two Flash lists that I'm aware