: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/ Geoff, One problem that I've found in both Firefox Safari is that when I increase the font size the search box and its button disappear from the page. Hope Stewart On 4/8/05 7:18 PM, "Geoff Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi all,
: RE: Politically Correct Terminology (was RE: [WSG] New front
page for http://abc.net.au/)
Hi John,
Thanks for the resources - really interesting (and I don't think you're
being contrary).
Nikki
Maxima Consult -- Web Access, Web Sales, Web Profit
Providers of internet marketing services
Christopher M Kelly wrote:
As a Person with a Disability, I prefer Person/User/Whatever with a
Disability. People First Language.
I think if anything has come out of this, it's that on this list no one
is going to be right when talking generally, because what's right for
one person/culture
Hi all,
Thanks for all the comments on the new ABC home page. I did the front-end
coding, so I'm responsible for *some* of the issues raised.
The resizing thing:
I would have also preferred a scalable layout or a stylesheet switch, but the
design differences are sufficiently great that I had
Nicola Rae wrote:
Hi,
Just to chip in, I am writing a couple of articles for GAWDS (guild of
Accessible Web Designers) and have it on authority from them that the
correct terms to use are:
In the UK - instead of 'users with disabilities' - it should be
'disabled users'.
In the UK -
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Nicola Rae
Geoff,
One problem that I've found in both Firefox Safari is that when I increase
the font size the search box and its button disappear from the page.
Hope Stewart
On 4/8/05 7:18 PM, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for all the comments on the new ABC home page. I did
I'll fix this soon.
thanks,
Geoff.
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Geoff,
One problem that I've
From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For some reason - the layout is quite different between IE and Firefox
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for http://abc.net.au/
For some reason - the layout is quite different between IE and Firefox.
T
John,
I've been waiting for one of the Australian members of the mailing
list to comment on the new look/code for http://abc.net.au/ so I
might as well raise the issue myself.
I personally had nothing to do with the design, code or any other
aspect of it (apart from being involved in
Of Andreas Boehmer
[Addictive Media]
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From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: wsg
On 8/4/05, John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am very glad that there aren't any drop down menus (I am happy to
say these are an abomination on principle and should be avoided like
the plague)
Hi John
I want to convince people not to have drop down on some of our sites at work...
I am
After a quick view I've got to say I think it's pretty good... bit of
sniffing on the front page for resolution... skip links... alternative
formats... good meta.
Visually, it's a solid, clear three (or four) column display.
I'm not a fan of portal type sites as they tend to be link heavy and
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From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL
small is valid in HTML4.01
On 4 Aug 2005, at 11:47 AM, Drake, Ted C. wrote:
I found the site fairly nice. I thought there was a nice use of white
space.
There looks like a stray in the headlines. I was surprised by the
use of
small tags. Were those deprecated or are they viable?
it's not browser sniffing it's resolution sniffing, and it it browser
independent.
Browser sniffing is bad becuase it breaks stuff. Enhancing things based
on browser capabilities (in this case how much content fits in the
viewport) is OK, most scripting relies on it. The important thing is
IE6, Win XP, SP2
Strange - it doesn't redirect for me. Are you using PC or MAC? I have tried IE
6 and IE 5.5 on the PC and in both cases I go to http://www.abc.net.au, not
http://abc.net.au/default_800.htm
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The discussion list for
I thought all those nasty browser-sniffing days were over
This is all new to me, as I didn't work on the project.
If you look at the .js files, it's redirecting, not necessarily on
browser version, but on window size, sometimes *combined* with
browser version.
Frederic,
I want to convince people not to have drop down on some of our
sites at work...
I am looking for some good reasons not to have them...
We have some on our current site and it looks like (from the web
stats) that people are actually using them a lot
Thanks for the opportunity for
12:22 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Cc: Terrence Wood
Subject: Re: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/
it's not browser sniffing it's resolution sniffing, and it it browser
independent.
Browser sniffing is bad becuase it breaks stuff. Enhancing things based on
browser capabilities
thanks
how would you rate http://www.ourbrisbane.com/ which is using a mix of
drop down menu and apparent second level navigation.
It could be seen as a solution to make everyone happy!?
f
On 8/4/05, John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frederic,
I want to convince people not to have
Frederic,
how would you rate http://www.ourbrisbane.com/ which is using a mix of
drop down menu and apparent second level navigation.
It could be seen as a solution to make everyone happy!?
Its probably straying a little from Web standards directly, onto
usability issues, but still within
just a quite note, ourbrisbane.com is not my site
i am just a user, living there now!
Has anyone done any user testing on drop downs? Tania maybe?
yes, would be interesting
On 8/4/05, John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frederic,
how would you rate http://www.ourbrisbane.com/ which is
I have done usability testing on both drop-down and flyout menus.
I have never, and would never, recommend sideways flyout navigation. It is just
too
difficult for people, even with normal mobility, to manipulate. And even worse,
people
blame themselves for not being able to use them, thus
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Frederic,
how would you rate http://www.ourbrisbane.com/ which
. I'm confused. Is it drop downs or flyouts that are the problem (or
both)?
As a web development student, what resources are available for me to read to
help me better understand this issue?
cheers
Craig FattyBoombah Rippon
Brisbane, Australia
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From: Andreas
Thanks for the insight Donna. Nothing like actual testing as opposed
to my usual hand waving!
Although I still avoid them (I think they are often used as a
crutch for poor information
architecture), there are some advantages to using them. They do
allow people to gain
a better
Did you test with people without disabilities? I'm wondering as I could
interpret this as
meaning that the navigation groupings may not have been clear and people wanted
the additional information. But this would happen for all groups...
Donna
On 4 Aug 2005 at 12:55, Andreas Boehmer
Craig,
. I'm confused. Is it drop downs or flyouts that are the
problem (or both)?
the way I read Donna's post was (editorializing, not Donnas words)
1. flyouts dire, avoid at all cost
2. drop downs don;' have quite the same usability concerns, or at
least not tot eh same extent, but
On 4 Aug 2005, at 2:55 PM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
Actually we have done some usability testing with a range of disabled
users
recently. The site we tested did not have any dropdowns, however in
particular users with hearing disabilities and cognitive disabilities
asked
and cognitive
disabilities asked for dropdowns to be added.
From: Donna Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2005 1:16 PM
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Did you test with people without disabilities? I'm wondering
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On 4 Aug 2005, at 2:55 PM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote
On 4 Aug 2005 at 13:55, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Me wrote:
Actually no, that particular site we only tested with disabled people,
although I have to add the range of impairments was extremely wide, so
I don't think we would have found many other results had we tested
people without
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On 4 Aug 2005 at 13:55, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Me wrote:
Your learnings entirely
.
Hope that has been of some interest ;)
lisa
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(Deafness and Con tent Length)
This is a really interesting thread and I have to say
Sorry that should have said this is for a FEW reasons.
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