, how about changing the color of
> the of the target to indicate that it is an old target. I.E> Green if updated
> in the past two seconds. Yellow if more than 2.
>
> Brian
>
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:32:01 -0700
> From: ryan...@yahoo.com
> To: tobias.b
more than 2.
Brian
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:32:01 -0700
From: ryan...@yahoo.com
To: tobias.bien...@gmx.de; soartro...@gmail.com
CC: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
Mystery solved. Marc from Butterfly just responded to my question on RAS:
> 8 - Does but
amy
>
> From: Tobias Bieniek
>To: SoarTronic team
>Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I think these are some interesting ideas that have come up here. I
>wo
Hi guys,
I think these are some interesting ideas that have come up here. I
would love it if you could sketch them in some way so that is easier
to visualize what exactly you are talking about. If I have something
like that it would also be much easier to implement it at the end and
it is also eas
I like Ian's idea.
The Flarm radar can serve as a tactical tool. (For example two gliders
circling in different thermals 2km ahead. Which one should I be heading
for, which has the better lift?)
This is what I use it for most of the times.
It can however also be used to improve situational awar
On 11/09/2012 15:19, SoarTronic team wrote:
> There were several gliders nearby, so if the communication was lost with
> the closest, the nearest indication was automatically changed to the
> "new" nearest one, I suppose. IMO only thing that works, is the FLARM
> traffic shown on map, like XCSoar
>Well, if a flarm-equiped glider 200m away cannot be detected, then I'd
assume someone's installation must be really really bad.
Unfortunately, with a single antenna as all FLARMs except the new "Core"
unit have, there is no really good installation in any glider with a carbon
fuselage. The be
isman ; xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
>
>>The principle of what's been referred to here as "filtering" is based
>>on the fact that
>>if a glider is, say 2km from you (as per a f
Well, if a flarm-equiped glider 200m away cannot be detected, then I'd
assume someone's installation must be really really bad.
To be clear, I am not advocating implementing this kind of filtering (yet).
I don't think we even know this is something the Butterfly display actually
does, do we?
>The principle of what's been referred to here as "filtering" is based
>on the fact that
>if a glider is, say 2km from you (as per a flarm transmission) and if
>a flarm message
>is transmitted once per second, then if the receiving flarm fails to
>receive a transmission
>a second later with an u
The principle of what's been referred to here as "filtering" is based on
the fact that if a glider is, say 2km from you (as per a flarm
transmission) and if a flarm message is transmitted once per second, then
if the receiving flarm fails to receive a transmission a second later with
an updated pos
Just to clarify, I did not notice slower response on the butterfly. If there
is, it is very short and not significant. So the current implementation in
XCSoar does not really provide a more instantaneous advantage. As other pointed
out, XCSoar Flarm radar is more for situational awareness while
On 11/09/2012 11:55, SoarTronic team wrote:
> 2011 pilot's life was lost in gliding competition here in Finland. Both
> gliders had FLARM installed, and they were in glide near each other
> several minutes before collision. See the summary (English) of this
> document;
>
http://www.turvallis
On 11 September 2012 10:55, SoarTronic team wrote:
> If it was 3 miles distance
> when it disappeared, then who cares. But if it was 300 feets front and under
> you when it disappeared, would you like to get a reminder that there might
> be someone near to you, and closing?
>
Firstly, my apologie
Hey,
I think both approaches (filtered output vs. instantaneous) have their
advantages and disadvatages.
What makes a filtered output appealing to me is:
-Extended usable range:
A circling glider at the outer limit of the reception range will
appear and disappear as target depending on the m
Von: Ramy Yanetz [mailto:ryan...@yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 01:59
>Now perhaps the butterfly display has indeed a built in filter which
>continuously
>interpolate the other target position based on changes in my position and
>heading,
>I cant tell.
The significant delay
gt;>right there. Butterfly might apply some filtering, and still show the target
>>for some time, although its position may be outdated already.
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>Von:Ramy Yanetz [mailto:ryan...@yahoo.com]
>>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 06. September 2012 20:52
>>
.
Michael
Von: Ramy Yanetz [mailto:ryan...@yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 06. September 2012 20:52
An: SoarTronic team
Cc: XCSoar Users List
Betreff: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
While we trying to figure out the issue with the flarm radar interruptions,
I think it will be good to know if
gt;
>Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
>
>
>Hi Ramy, I am using dell streak 5, powerflarm brick and cai 302 connected via
>IOIO with 2 serial ports. Seems to work well for me since I upgraded to
>Gingerbread on my streak and r
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> *From:* Ramy Yanetz
> *To:* SoarTronic team
> *Cc:* XCSoar Users List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
>
> I finally captured an NMEA file whille the flarm radar was going on and
> off the who
Streak/Soartronic/powerflarm combo.
Thanks,
Ramy
>
> From: Ramy Yanetz
>To: SoarTronic team
>Cc: XCSoar Users List
>Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
>
>
>I finally captured an
, 2012 11:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
>
>
>The Flarm radar seem to work fine on the ground with nearby static targets,
>but still goes on and off intermittently in the air. I secured the soartronic
>bluetooth and verified that the Flarm messages coming every sec
say it's significant maybe 1/2 sec.
>>>>max I guess. Nonetheless, I keep Flarm radar turned off but show traffic
>>>>in the map display, since I have a Butterfly and a Flarm V3 display
>>>>connected to the Swiss built Flarm. Both display light up simult
you
> run it with the standard 19.200baud, try speeding up the connection and see
> if you still see the delay.
>
> Cheers
> Sascha
>
> Von: SoarTronic team
> An:
> CC: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Gesendet: 14:49 Dienstag, 7.August 2012
> Betreff: Re:
gt;run it with the standard 19.200baud, try speeding up the connection and see
>>if you still see the delay.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>Sascha
>>>
>>>
>>>Von: SoarTronic team
>>>An:
>>>CC: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
csoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Gesendet: 14:49 Dienstag, 7.August 2012
Betreff: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Flarm radar
When I have been testing the communication, it looks like the LED based display
in not very fast. It seems to take some time to notice, that GPS connection is
fixed. This based on comparin
When I have been testing the communication, it looks like the LED based
display in not very fast. It seems to take some time to notice, that GPS
connection is fixed. This based on comparing the NMEA sentences received in
XCSoar (Devices/Monitoring) and the LED external display.
2012/8/7 Tobias Bie
I've been using the Flarm Radar for over 3 years now and I haven't
noticed any delays like that. It might be related to the PowerFLARM
since we mostly use the original swiss Flarms here in Germany/Europe.
Turbo
2012/8/7 Ramy Yanetz :
> Finally got a chance to try the flarm radar with my powerfla
On 2011/06/03 22:04, Henrik Bieler wrote:
> 1) Would a feature request to get the "expected" behaviour, as stated
> above, make sense or is it technically to difficult?
The biggest problem is that the RS-232 port doesn't give any feedback
when you have hit the right baud rate, there is no handsh
Hello,
I ran into the same issue as Adrien a while ago. In our club-gliders we
can switch the PDA NMEA-Source between Flarm and Logger.
I hoped xcsoar would work the way Adrien (and me) expected it to:
When connecting to Device A fails, try connecting to Device B, even when
on the same serial po
On 2011/06/03 17:48, Adrien Ott wrote:
> I intend XCSoar to automatically change source upon my selection
> (either Flarm - GPS + "others" - ; or GPS antenna) on the switch.
It does not work this way. You cannot configure two devices on the
same physical port, and expect XCSoar to magically swit
Hi,
After checking the glider, I eventually decided what I will try to setup.
The Flarm is powered by the glider battery (as well as a LX, the radio...),
and I have an independant battery for the PDA with XCSoar. So I want to keep
my "legacy" GPS antenna as a backup in case glider battery runs lo
Yes there is. Flarm only sends traffic data when the baudrate is equal
or above 19200, so at 4800 you will get only the GPS information but the
FLARM radar will not work...
Turbo
Am 30.04.2011 23:14, schrieb Adrien Ott:
Whow, thanks a lot for the quick answers,
yes, it really helps!
Since
Whow, thanks a lot for the quick answers,
yes, it really helps!
Since I should not modify the config of the Flarm (goal is to be as
transparent as possible for the gliders of the club), are there any reasons
Flarm radar should get 19200bauds setting rather than 4800 for instance?
I think I will m
Hi Adrien,
my answers are in the text...
Turbo
Am 30.04.2011 16:42, schrieb Adrien Ott:
Hi,
The Flarm radar functionality pushes me to possibly change the way I
provide GPS data to the device I use XCSoar with.
I am using XCSoar 6.1.alpha with an old iPaq 1950 (WM5, no internal
GPS, no bl
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