Mayka,
I didn't have direct experiences in an orgyhouse, nor did you, I assume. So we
can only make mental assumtions.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest
To:
Mayka,
In Taiwan, a woman, whose husband had an affair with another woman, cut off his
genitals, and threw it into the toilet bowl, flushing it with a copious amount
of water. Then, medical workers had to spend a lot of time retrieving the organ
in the sewage. Fortunately, the doctors
Mike,
Possibly, if it could be apprehended.
~ED
The truth is rarely pure and never simple. ~Oscar Wilde
The truth, once spoken is no longer the truth. ~Eastern saying
,
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@... wrote:
ED,
Isn't it better to live in Truth than dwell in
Kristy,
Does it need striving to be in 'just this'? Otherwise, will your mind not go
astray?
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Mayka/Edgar,
Compassion should be given to victims of rape, and those molested by pedophilic
priests. There is deep psychological wound involved. Rape fantassies, whether
on the part of males or females, are not part of the statement here.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Maria Lopez
Mayka: You're right never been in an orgy house. But you said you were:
Anthony: On the other hand, I also agree that when I enjoy myself in the orgy
house, it is all 'just this'.
Mayka: Responses to you were because of that comment you made.
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Anthony Wu
Kristy,
Thank you for this. However, I can only understand it when I am enlightened. I
will work hard on shikantaza with Tantric visualization.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Integral
Anthony;
You got me here. The horrible vision of this story has made me understand that
I wouldn't have the goats of doing something like that. Nonetheless, I keep
having the idea of castrating a rapist. But better to leave in a surgeon
hands. That is the solution I can think of right now
ED,
How can you say zen underlies Christianity, if the Old Testament is part of it.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 24 February, 2011,
Bill:
oh yeah, and cut off their penis while you're at it'.
Mayka: What does your comment above means?. Did you mean as an act or revenge,
judgemental...or what?. If the comment comes because of the idea of castrating
a rapist...I stick to it. Though not as passionately as yesterday, yes
Kristy,
Don't you ever come any closer to a dangerous person as Bill is, without a
protective demon by your side.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date:
Mayka,
I am making progress in bloody English. When I use the present tense, I mean
what will happen in the future. So the experience in the orgyhouse has not
materialized. It is only a plan, and I still have to work hard to find such a
place.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Maria Lopez
Mayka,
As I said, victims deserve compassion. As regards the offenders, law has to
take care of it. If that fails, I know no better alternative than the working
of karma.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
Anthony;
What is compassion for you?
Perhaps there is compassion in action that you are unable to see it.
Mayka
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Hi Kristy,
I said voluntarily satisfy, not be a sex slave In other words if a man is
loved and his desires satisfied by a woman who loves him, he doesn't have the
need to become a rapist.
I think the hidden message here is that men aren't born rapists, they rape out
of unsatisfied
Thank you Mayka. Well put!!
Buddha be praised
Mel
gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, 23
It is impossible to force change on anyone, ED. However, please do understand
that I wouldn't have been the first, nor will I be the last to take note
of openly dualistic postings from those outside of the path, and those who
aspire to the Zen way of life itself are bound to notice such posts
Mayka,
Compassion is a luxury for me. If I run into bad luck, I accept the punishment
of my own karma. I don't believe anybody else can change it.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re:
It's quite ok if you see it that way. One way of describing the BigMind is by
comparing it to Mowgli's jungle environment. An environment containing many
things, and many happenings...and yet self-contained. The mind is like a sea
with many waves and is never settled or calm at all times. So,
Oh ED, don't go there!(*grin/laughter*) Using the fem*n**t word will not get
you forgiven...trust me...coz I've been burned in the past for such mistake
in peace
Mel
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm
Ok ED, I gotcha(*grin/smiles*). Honestly ED, I prefer to get answers from your
BIG SELF, not dualistic dusty and old academic books, or other research sources
peace be with you
Mel
gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
(See, Mel, I didn't
Mel:
Thank you for the kindness of your comments. Just a shame that I went a little
bit too much emotional over the rape subject and went entangled on myself
emotions and talking non sense. It only comes to show how easy is to loose
oneself in samsara and that the difficulties of
Mayka Dear,
Please don't feel that you are alone. Many of us on the forum are with
you.
I am sure those on the forum who meditates connect with you. I am
also somewhat certain those who do not, probably do not. Steve already
posted something like, ... there are those wanted to show that
If I may add some perspectives to Mel's observation below
We all know the basic Buddhist practice is simply precepts, meditation,
wisdom.
It simply means if we can not surpass our habits -- habitual thoughts,
habitual life style (the first practice), if we do not meditate (the
second
If I may add...
Only when we witness the emptiness in all words, could we then embrace
all words. Then and only then we are whole and be one with the One.
Thank you for your time for reading this.
JMJM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
覺å¦ç²¾æ chan.jmjm@... wrote:
If I may add some perspectives to Mel's observation below
We all know the basic Buddhist practice is simply precepts,
meditation, wisdom.
It simply means if we can not surpass our habits --
JMJM,
Please do not denigrate your gift of words.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
覺å¦ç²¾æ chan.jmjm@... wrote:
If I may add...
Only when we witness the emptiness in all words, could we then
embrace
all words. Then and only then we are whole and be one
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - wrote:
If I may add some perspectives to Mel's observation below
We all know the basic Buddhist practice is simply precepts,
meditation, wisdom.
It simply means if we can not surpass our habits -- habitual
thoughts, habitual life
Being emotionally connected enough to another to be inspired and motivated
and taught by them != giving up responsibility for your own life.
I like your theory that they are correlated, and I suspect people do
validate their own sense of a teachers awesomeness by the degree to which
they give up
Chris, these matters are beyond words. Every relationship between
student and teacher is different. Every relationship is a double-edged
sword. If one does not appreciate, respect and yes even love the other,
very little will be gained from the relationship.
'Responsibility' is a
JMJM dearest,
You do not need to support anybody here.
I believe they can all stand on their own two feet.
They want to show that they are right, but not you self-proclaimed
meditators?
Is that not judgmental? Is that not a bit dualistic? ;-)
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, JMJM
Mel,
Non-dualistically speaking, we are all one BIG BALL of SH+++. ;-)
PBUY,
~ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel gunnar19632000@... wrote:
Ok ED, I gotcha(*grin/smiles*). Honestly ED, I prefer to get answers
from your BIG SELF, not dualistic dusty and old academic books, or other
Mel, you are right.
Human Nature being what it is, people become displeased and can even get
angry if they experience one as expressing points of view that do not
'support' them.
This is the real world in action, referred to in Zen as the illusory
world - or so I have been told.
PBUY,
~ED
Mike,
Tough question!
The answer is an unknown function of one's values, priorities, foci,
fixations, wisdom, compassion and obsession with 'truth'.
But, the question is moot to an agnostic for whom the truth is
indeterminate.
~ED
The Truth can neither be asserted nor denied. ~Eastern
JM,
I am truly delighted that you feel this way. I will arrange for you to share
your practice and this insight with a sex-offenders group in your country. I
know they will welcome the idea that they--too, are part of the One, and do
not need tp fear those who would like to castrate them.
Edgar,
Your conclusions here are simply not accurate. I agreed that sex is one of the
factors t that motivate rape. But being sexually satisfied does not prevent
rapes from occuring. Many, many rapists are married, and have sexual
opportunities with other partners as well. Men have the
Audrey:
Have you noticed that anyone answered the questions:
1- What would you do if your mother, daughter, sister, niece, girlfriend were
rape?
2 - Is there anyone on this forum who has raped someone?/P
And yet the thread about sex offenders carries on!. But all that is pure
mental
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