On 9/3/2012 8:35 PM, Bill! wrote:
I just wanted to make sure everyone else also knew the difference
between 'Self' and 'self'.
Which one washes it's bowl? *L*
KG
PS - Some 'Buddha's Witnesses' confuse Buddhianity with Christianism.
take it as it comes..no frills...you do not have a choice ..merle
Merle,
that's when zen is most needed mike...to get you through the day
Should I take it straight or on the rocks? ; )
Mike
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com
To:
artists are visionaries.. they open doors ..if you were out on opium i'd say
you'd have big trouble holding a brush..merle
Just an impression of his style Merle (and an understanding of trade routes and
goods available).
KG
On 9/3/2012 5:40 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
KG.
how do you know KG? Merle
On 9/3/2012 5:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
that's when zen is most needed mike...to get you through the day...merle
Zen Angels preaching
Zen Demons cursing
No one hears any of it
KG
...*smiles/laughter*.
with Lord Buddha's humor
Mel
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
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Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: dancing with the daffodils
Yay!
Bill!,
Bill! claims logic is NOT Zen...
Bill! says he uses logic in his daily life...
Therefore Bill must believe he CANNOT have Zen in his daily life...
This is a serious error...
Zen is 24/7 whether one is using logic or sitting mindlessly.
It is a fundamental error to believe only
Will the one and only true Buddha Nature please stand up!
--ED
Web definitions
* Buddha-nature or Buddha Principle (Buddha-dhâtu), is taught,
within Mahayana Buddhism, to be an intrinsic, immortal potential for
reaching enlightenment that exists within the mind of every sentient
being.
Why do you paint?
KG
On 9/4/2012 3:34 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
how do you know KG? Merle
On 9/3/2012 5:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
that's when zen is most needed mike...to get you through the day...merle
Zen Angels preaching
Zen Demons cursing
No one hears any of it
KG
Know what Merle? Know what?
What meaning are you giving those words?
It is a koan of sorts, a line written for a song never finished...
KG
On 9/4/2012 3:34 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
how do you know KG? Merle
On 9/3/2012 5:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
that's when zen is most needed mike...to
OK. Then there is no Bill! standing apart from Buddha nature. Not the
Bill! who posts here, and not the Bill! who lives as a logical construct
in your head. If you think these Bill!s are the same, you will logically
think Bill! to be illogical. You will see what you think is Bill!'s
error. If
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill! claims logic is NOT Zen...
Edgar
Maybe Bill means: Zen stresses the importance of the enlightenment
experience and the futility of rational thought, ...(See last
definition below.)
--ED
ED,
These two I quote below are most in line with my understanding: And no, Bill!
and Anthony, that's not FOXING (realizing your intrinsic Fox nature), it's Fo
Xing!
:-)
(Fo-xing) or the potential for becoming a Buddha is possessed equally by all
sentient beings (and all things without
Kristopher,
Well yes and no... Maybe... Everyone certainly models reality differently each
in their own internal simulations of it. But in a deeper sense there is no
reality except as it is experienced by some observer or other This is a
complex subject that requires a deep understanding
Edgar,
No, not at all futile.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
ED,
Rational thought is most certainly NOT futile in solving actual
problems in the world of forms
EDgar
Current Book Discussion: any
On 9/4/2012 11:14 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Kristopher,
Well yes and no... Maybe...
If only we were all wise enough to leave it there! *L*
Everyone certainly models reality differently each in their own
internal simulations of it. But in a deeper sense there is no reality
except as it is
Horses for courses.
Forms assuming forms among forms.
What of it?
The futility, lies in separating the world of forms this way.
KG
On 9/4/2012 11:18 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
ED,
Rational thought is most certainly NOT futile in solving actual
problems in the world of forms
EDgar
Kris,
Everyone that has a bowl should consider washing it...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
On 9/3/2012 8:35 PM, Bill! wrote:
I just wanted to make sure everyone else also knew the difference
between 'Self' and 'self'.
Which one washes
Merle,
You are correct that reality comes with no frills, but you do have a choice.
You can choose to invent frills (illusions) and become attached to them. Or
you can choose not to do that. Choosing not to do and dropping all attachments
is called 'washing your bowl'...Bill!
--- In
Believing you make such a choice, is blaming the rice for dirtying your
bowl.
KG
On 9/4/2012 9:05 PM, Bill! wrote:
Merle,
You are correct that reality comes with no frills, but you do have a
choice. You can choose to invent frills (illusions) and become
attached to them. Or you can
check here what i draw and paint
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
some folk have closed minds edgar...you need a sledge hammer to break
through..a stick would not do...merle
Kristopher,
Well yes and no... Maybe... Everyone certainly models reality differently each
in their own internal simulations of it. But in a deeper sense there is no
reality
Edgar,
PLEASE READ THIS POST CAREFULLY!!!
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Logic can certainly be part of Zen Buddhism or just plain old zen. Logic
however is fundamentally illusory and is not a manifestation of Buddha Nature.
Buddha Nature is the direct experience of reality and nothing more.
LOGIC IS
ED,
That's EXACTLY what I mean...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote:
Bill! claims logic is NOT Zen...
Edgar
Maybe Bill means: Zen stresses the importance of
KG,
'You' do have a choice and it is the rice that is dirtying your bowl. Your
illusory self is the one responsible for making the choice and putting more
rice in or cleaning the bowl. Your illusory self can choose one way or the
other.
If you are not creating an illusory self (are
Very nice! I like them because many of them appear to have structure but
actually do not...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
check here what i draw and paint
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
Current
Merle,
It's Edgar that has the 'closed mind'. It's been closed in my structure. It
might be a very big and seemingly comprehensive structure, but it's a closed
boundary nonetheless.
Edgar,
You stated something very wrong in your reply to KG:
...Everyone certainly models reality differently
Merle, I enjoyed them too. --ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Very nice! I like them because many of them appear to have structure
but actually do not...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote:
check here what i draw
i understand what edgar is saying..are you suggesting he is in error?... merle
Merle,
It's Edgar that has the 'closed mind'. It's been closed in my structure. It
might be a very big and seemingly comprehensive structure, but it's a closed
boundary nonetheless.
Edgar,
You stated
thanks..merle
Very nice! I like them because many of them appear to have structure but
actually do not...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
check here what i draw and paint
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
please clarify bill..does it matter the size of bowl?... is the bowl shared
with others?...merle
KG,
'You' do have a choice and it is the rice that is dirtying your bowl. Your
illusory self is the one responsible for making the choice and putting more
rice in or cleaning the bowl.
Merle,
I say he is in error, but that really depends on your perspective. He's
talking about reality from a dualistic point-of-view. That's okay for
scientists and philosophers, and is the way we all usually perceive things -
dualistically. That means there's a subject/object split. The
Merle,
That's an interesting question.
I'm going way out on a limb here but I actually believe the size of your bowl
does matter. The larger the bowl you have (like Edgar) the more rice gruel it
takes to fill it up. And if many cases people with very large bowls never get
full. They
Merle,
I forgot to respond to your second question.
You may share your bowl with others. Edgar is trying to share a lot of the
contents of his bowl with you. The problem is when he does that the contents
of both of your bowls just get more full, and sooner of later if you want to
realize
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