Re: [Zen] Re: Dancing Meditation

2008-09-11 Thread Fitness63
From: cid830 >NO. Not unless that orgasm causes you to lose your entire sense of self in the realization that we are at One with the Universal Consciousness.> I have felt that way during orgasm, but usually it is the feeling of being one with the other person. Sometimes it can feel like a union

[Zen] Re: Dancing Meditation

2008-09-11 Thread cid830
NO. Not unless that orgasm causes you to lose your entire sense of self in the realization that we are at One with the Universal Consciousness. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jeni Jeni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pole dancing is very popular and I think you can really feel your Chi when

[Zen] Re: Dancing Meditation

2008-09-11 Thread Bill Smart
Edgar, Yes, I use lower case 'z' to indicate that 'zen' is nothing special and not specifically associated with anything else (like Buddhism). I use 'Zen' with an upper case 'Z' to stand for Zen Buddhism which is a proper noun and does stand for something very specific and therefore bounded -

Re: [Zen] Re: Dancing Meditation

2008-09-11 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, Yes, I agree completely with your distinction. Interesting though that you use the capitalization in exactly the opposite way as I tend to. I'll have to re-evaluate the way I use my capitalization. Generally I distinguish by using the terms true Zen vs zen sects. Maybe I use the cap

[Zen] Re: Dancing Meditation

2008-09-11 Thread Bill Smart
Edgar, I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about sex and zen, and in fact think that applies to lots of other areas. This is why I differentiate between Zen Buddhism (a religion) and zen (what you have referred to as 'True Zen'). ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <

Re: [Zen] Re: Dancing Meditation

2008-09-11 Thread Edgar Owen
Jeni Jeni, One can be enlightened at any moment, in fact there is always enlightenment, its just a matter of realizing it, of admitting it. As I indicated in my previous response to you sexual energy is certainly chi and sex can certainly intensify one's chi. While orgasms are certainly b

[Zen] Re: Dancing Meditation

2008-09-10 Thread Jeni Jeni
Pole dancing is very popular and I think you can really feel your Chi when you are grinding against a pole. The exercise is intense. Does orgasm count as a moment of enlightenment? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are rea