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K... Enjoyed the clarity of this post of yours. I think that Mike might have been right and there is the possibility that if we both met and knew face to face we might become friends. Anyway, we're in the same group and find very silly not to interact with each other. You're wrong and I do like you. We both are impulsive ladies. I like from the posting you sent to Anthony your very good intentions of helping him. There was warm and compassion in your personal way of posting . I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds specially with taboo subjects as the one you spoke about. Interaction between Anthony and yourself was an interesting dharma. Can we make up and be friends? Mayka --- On Mon, 8/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 8 November, 2010, 23:45 Anthony, I'm not sure I understand your point. You are the one who brings up the topic of sex in conjunction (I assume) with spirituality. Specifically tantra and Buiddhism. I don't view or use sex as a means to sacred spiritual awareness It is part of my relationship with a man I love. While I find your comments abrupt, they are also confusing. I don't know what you mean by ndes, and you lost me with the comment on LSD and senior runners. You mentioned drug-induced states, so I commented on that as an adjunct. I thought your point was that you wanted to find some type of spiritual awareness /awakening via sex and orgy-houses, as part of a buddhist /zen practice. I don't even know what an orgy-house is. Is that a brothel? I understand orgy as train-sex. Thats not my style, and how one could ever see orgy sex as sacred is beyond me. But go for it. Moreover, when I questioned you initially about why you mention it so often, you stated that it gave some humor to the forum. I shared a personal experience as a means to open a dialogue about a topic you seem to care deeply about. Perhaps it is a cultural mis-perception. I felt that you discuss it alot because you actually have unfulfilled needs, and I was trying to offer my support by suggesting that sex can be a part of life at any age. I question dharma, and many spiritual disciplines, mostly because I am not seeking a guru as a means to an end. My zen and other spiritual practices are part of a balanced lifestyle. They are not my entire focus. They serve as a foundation to guide me in my work, relationships, values and character. They are the base of my integrity and help me offer what I can in my everyday , busy life. They help me resolve conflicts. They mediate my stress. They guide my compassion and offer some wisdom. But I do not cling to a particular dharma path or religious doctrine. I allow those to flow within, and change over time, as everything does. As said before, what works for others is completely fine with me. Be well.. Kristy --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:46 PM Kristy, I appreciate your candor and enjoy your stories. I understand you had an eventless nde, but colorful sex experiences. You should be satisfied. Why should you question dharma, scriptures and the meaning of exitence? I know sex climax, LSD and ndes are all different, hard to compare. Forgetting how a senior runner should perform for the time being, my original question is how Tantra reconcile sexuality and Buddhism (LSD and nde are not yet in the game). I am not against sex, as long as it is carried out in an appropriate place, including an 'orgyhouse'. But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. Anthony --- On Mon, 8/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 8 November, 2010, 6:25 AM Hi Anthony, You bring up a good point. I will say that while the particular experience I shared was fairly athletic in the physical sensations, I don't necessarily think that age or disability precludes this same inner intensity and, for lack of a better word, 'peak ' experience. Similarly, senior runners often complete marathons and experience the same endorphin highs as the younger participants. In those events, they are likely a result of physiology more so than spirit, but you understand my point. We all know that a major key to eroticism is between our ears, not our legs. I shared that particular experience because it was so very intense, yet it was not something born from practice, preparation or love. To the contrary. I
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Mayka, I take you at your word when you say: I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds ... So, at the risk of of being label thorny, I say: Yes, you and Chris could be friends, though probably not when in the same kitchen, coffee klatch, or Yahoo group, as both of you are confident, strong-willed alpha-females. With playfully truthful loving-kindness, --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: K... Enjoyed the clarity of this post of yours. I think that Mike might have been right and there is the possibility that if we both met and knew face to face we might become friends. Anyway, we're in the same group and find very silly not to interact with each other. You're wrong and I do like you. We both are impulsive ladies. I like from the posting you sent to Anthony your very good intentions of helping him. There was warm and compassion in your personal way of posting . I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds specially with taboo subjects as the one you spoke about. Interaction between Anthony and yourself was an interesting dharma. Can we make up and be friends? Mayka
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Mayka, Bill is attempting to be rosy. Or, he is truthfully expressing his 'experience' of me which is real not illusory (for him) as per the zen covnention for labeling phenomena. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Bill: You sound mysterious. I wonder what you're trying to tell me. Do remember that my intelligence is in much lower degree than the one from Anthony. Mayka Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you're going to catch a baby tigerâ¦Bill! Do you think so? Mayka \ Lovely? Maybe - but with LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of THORNS! Nothing to forgive ED. You're also lovely in your own way. Mayka Mayka, Do forgive me - it is just my ego obsessed with what is best for itself. --ED ED; If you would like to to know about whatever you want to know about Anthony better ask him directly and not me. But if you ask me about the role he plays in the forum I would say that he's a lovely character. I never seen his ego deffending itself and no matter how badly at times he's been provoked.à I admire his modesty and kind character towards everyone. Mayka The I/me/mine in me responds: Does Anthony know or care about what others in the forum know are best for themelves? --ED Only Anthony himself knows what is the best for him and not you. Mayka
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Bill, Stage seven is the glow in which you are radiating yourself as truth. You will feel totally in contact with yourself, and your presence will radiate from you like a glow. This will continue until you have fully presented yourself to others. The Zen people refer to this as the Zen stink. See: http://www.godening.com/FAQ.htm http://www.godening.com/FAQ.htm Surely not stage seven already? ;-) ;-) ;-) Aromatically and thornily yours, --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you're going to catch a baby tiger ¦Bill!
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Yes. Men behave toward each other differently when women are around than when no women are around. Women behave toward each other differently when men are around than when no men are around. Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: It is not true in my experience that strong women cannot be friends. It happens all the time in non-male dominated arenas. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Mayka, I take you at your word when you say: I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds ... So, at the risk of of being label thorny, I say: Yes, you and Kristy could be friends, though probably not when in the same kitchen, coffee klatch, or Yahoo group, as both of you are confident, strong-willed alpha-females. With playfully truthful loving-kindness, --ED K... Enjoyed the clarity of this post of yours. I think that Mike might have been right and there is the possibility that if we both met and knew face to face we might become friends. Anyway, we're in the same group and find very silly not to interact with each other. You're wrong and I do like you. We both are impulsive ladies. I like from the posting you sent to Anthony your very good intentions of helping him. There was warm and compassion in your personal way of posting . I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds specially with taboo subjects as the one you spoke about. Interaction between Anthony and yourself was an interesting dharma. Can we make up and be friends? Mayka
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Chris, ED and all: To me is not a question about men or women but human beings. There are times I don't get on with certain type of men and there are times I find difficult to get on with certain type of women. There are very competitive men and there are very competitive women but there are also all those to whom value the most the quality contact they have with other human beings regardless they are men or women. In real life I also have some male friend to whom first encounter was a disaster and then after some disagrements and fights become very close friends. There is no difference here for as long as the person in front of us is of the same wave of thinking. Mayka --- On Wed, 10/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 16:11 You mean Kristy? I am not an alpha female. More like a beta male. It is not true in my experience that strong women cannot be friends. It happens all the time in non-male dominated arenas. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 10, 2010, at 6:01, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Mayka, I take you at your word when you say: I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds ... So, at the risk of of being label thorny, I say: Yes, you and Chris could be friends, though probably not when in the same kitchen, coffee klatch, or Yahoo group, as both of you are confident, strong-willed alpha-females. With playfully truthful loving-kindness, --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: K... Enjoyed the clarity of this post of yours. I think that Mike might have been right and there is the possibility that if we both met and knew face to face we might become friends. Anyway, we're in the same group and find very silly not to interact with each other. You're wrong and I do like you. We both are impulsive ladies. I like from the posting you sent to Anthony your very good intentions of helping him. There was warm and compassion in your personal way of posting . I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds specially with taboo subjects as the one you spoke about. Interaction between Anthony and yourself was an interesting dharma. Can we make up and be friends? Mayka
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ED: In real life and face to face with people in the arena of zen there are no women or men but just practicioners who sit down together and practice together. There is not as much chatting but all activities are made in minfulness. Mayka --- On Wed, 10/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 17:45 Mayka, You describe situations, preferences, choices and challenges that every human encounters in interactions with other humans in the normal course of life. The crucial question is: With what sort of mind does a zenist greet them all? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Chris, ED and all: To me is not a question about men or women but human beings. There are times I don't get on with certain type of men and there are times I find difficult to get on with certain type of women. There are very competitive men and there are very competitive women but there are also all those to whom value the most the quality contact they have with other human beings regardless they are men or women. In real life I also have some male friend to whom first encounter was a disaster and then after some disagrements and fights become very close friends. There is no difference here for as long as the person in front of us is of the same wave of thinking. Mayka
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Mayka, Or perhaps as Bill might say: Whatever is happening, the practicing zenist's mind's effort is always directed toward remaining calm, alert and aware in the here and now, in the state of 'just THIS', and as much as possible without judgment, grasping, pushing away, conception-formation or comment. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: In real life and face to face with people in the arena of zen there are no women or men but just practicioners who sit down together and practice together. There is not as much chatting but all activities are made in minfulness. Mayka Mayka, You describe situations, preferences, choices and challenges that every human encounters in interactions with other humans in the normal course of life. The crucial question is: With what sort of mind does a zenist greet them all? --ED Chris, ED and all: To me is not a question about men or women but human beings. There are times I don't get on with certain type of men and there are times I find difficult to get on with certain type of women. There are very competitive men and there are very competitive women but there are also all those to whom value the most the quality contact they have with other human beings regardless they are men or women. In real life I also have some male friend to whom first encounter was a disaster and then after some disagrements and fights become very close friends. There is no difference here for as long as the person in front of us is of the same wave of thinking. Mayka
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ED: I've been participating a little bit too much latlely in the forum. I can't see any of my posting be useful to anyone. When this happens the best for a practicioner is to quietly let go all the chat and lurk for a while. See you later aligator, nor for a while cocrodile. Thank you for all the company you have been giving through the weeks. Mayka --- On Wed, 10/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 18:20 Mayka, Or perhaps as Bill might say: Whatever is happening, the practicing zenist's mind's effort is always directed toward remaining calm, alert and aware in the here and now, in the state of 'just THIS', and as much as possible without judgment, grasping, pushing away, conception-formation or comment. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: In real life and face to face with people in the arena of zen there are no women or men but just practicioners who sit down together and practice together. There is not as much chatting but all activities are made in minfulness. Mayka Mayka, You describe situations, preferences, choices and challenges that every human encounters in interactions with other humans in the normal course of life. The crucial question is: With what sort of mind does a zenist greet them all? --ED Chris, ED and all: To me is not a question about men or women but human beings. There are times I don't get on with certain type of men and there are times I find difficult to get on with certain type of women. There are very competitive men and there are very competitive women but there are also all those to whom value the most the quality contact they have with other human beings regardless they are men or women. In real life I also have some male friend to whom first encounter was a disaster and then after some disagrements and fights become very close friends. There is no difference here for as long as the person in front of us is of the same wave of thinking. Mayka
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Bill, Are widow ghosts on the list? Being 'derivatives' of human beings, they have no thorns. Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 9:19 AM Anthony, I don’t know. That’s a good question. All I know is the list is correct each day after I update it. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:14 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill, There is a contradiction here. If something is on your permanence list on a certain day. The next day, it disappears. Is that item still permanent, only hidden by you somewhere else, or it has become transient? Anthony This may be the fifteenth item on the 14 unsolvable questions on Buddha's list. --- On Tue, 9/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 4:43 PM Anthony, I do indeed have a good idea on what is permanent. In fact I have a list. It changes every day. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:57 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Kristy, Chuckles. It is hard to figure out a better reply. However, unfortunately all fun is transient. Maybe Bill has an idea on what is permanent. Anthony --- On Mon, 8/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 8 November, 2010, 12:16 PM *s* Perhaps.. but it sure isn't as much fun. I'll ponder a better reply ;) Kristy --- On Sun, 11/7/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:11 PM Anthony and Kristy, I don't disagree with your observations below, but couldn't you say the same thing about any activity into which you put your whole being - not just sex? For example - bowling? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:13 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Kristy, I understand. I am 71. When I was young, I had similar experiences, though not so often, as it depended on occassions and surroudings. Like you say, that explains why Tantrism puts so much significance on sexism, as it definitely is 'spiritual', in addition to physical. However, there are other ways. How about heroin and other drugs? They induce similar experiences. I have not tried them, but read some 'fantastic' descriptions. On the other hand, near death experiences seem to be another type. There is bliss, but does not appear to be 'mind blowing'. Anthony --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 7 November, 2010, 6:44 PM Anthony, As I have neither the time nor expertise to substitute there.. let me offer a more serious thought. If you truly are asking a question about if or how sexuality intersects with spirituality, I can say that I had an experience wherein there was such a fusion of physical body and soul / heart / mind energies (however you interpret those), that it was as if space and time fell away or did not exist. There were no egos, secrets, inhibitions or thoughts. Consciousness and physicality merged. Its primal energy and primordial spirit. Animal intensity but somehow driven by a soul awareness for which there are no words. An intensity beyond measure and impossible to duplicate exactly. An intimacy so profound it felt like touching God-source (however defined). A complete acceptance of energy flow. I couldn't speak for a day. My body tingled for nearly a week. I had no desire for food and drank only small amounts of water at a time for days. Its just un-defineable. Its experential. But , for me, it left me believing in spirit (beit mind /heart or soul). k --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 4:50 PM K and E, My local zen center just had
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Bill, Whatever Dalai Lama says is sacred, because he is a Bodhisatva reincarnate. I try to emulate him, but found myself more than ten thousand miles behind. Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 9:23 AM Anthony, Why do you think some things are sacred and some things are not? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:16 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill, Of course, a monastry is different, as it is a place for sacred sex, in contrast to an orgyhouse, where there is nothing sacred. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 4:46 PM Anthony, Why do you think a monastery is different from any other place? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:15 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas ED, The point is they don't let you see and learn from. If they do, what price is the ticket? I would stand in a long line to purchase it. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 6:42 AM But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. What's the difference? (I think it's OK, provided engaged in on the monastery roof, for all to see and learn from. ;-) ) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Kristy, I appreciate your candor and enjoy your stories. I understand you had an eventless nde, but colorful sex experiences. You should be satisfied. Why should you question dharma, scriptures and the meaning of exitence? I know sex climax, LSD and ndes are all different, hard to compare. Forgetting how a senior runner should perform for the time being, my original question is how Tantra reconcile sexuality and Buddhism (LSD and nde are not yet in the game). I am not against sex, as long as it is carried out in an appropriate place, including an 'orgyhouse'. But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. Anthony __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5602 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5602 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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Mayka, I clicked the website already and found pages starting from P1 to somewhere. It happens this part I think is good and gives you a glimpse of what Buddhism is like. They are worth reading. The Tantric part is well after that. You won't be able to see it, neither will you the last part on zen. However, these two latter sections are not so good. The book was written by a Westener in fluent English, and published by a western entity. Tibet is ruled by Communists. You would be looking for thorns in a Thai widow ghost, if you look for a book like that from Tibet. Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 2:28 PM Anthony: I paste the book: World of the Buddha so that you can tell us which pages is written the tantric practice. Is this book written by the tibetans themselves of by a westerner?. It's been noticeable to me that Publishers of the book are from Canada and America and not from Tibet. Mayka --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 23:08 Mayka, It is the title of a book. You can just type in the name on Google, you will find it, but not a complete one, only some pages. I borrowed it from a local library. I am not sure if you can find it somehow in your country. In my opinion, the quality of the book is so so. The part on Tantra I referred to contains vague words, but you can deduce that the Tantric monks have sex with a 16 year old girl, and try to make it 'sacred'. It is up to you whether you are disgusted or not. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 4:32 PM Anthony: Is World of the Buddha a book?. Can you paste the link here. Thanks. Mayka --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 1:03 ED, If you have time, browse through 'World of the Buddha'. It covers a wide spectrum from original Buddhism to zen, passing through Tantrism on the way. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 8:48 AM Anthony, Do you know for certain that monks in a monastery have had monks have had sex wuth 16 year old girls? If so, where did you get this information from? Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Edgar, No, it is with a 16 year old girl. anthony
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Mayka, I don't think I can create a bad reputation for Tibetan Tantric using their technique. On the contrary, I would only enhance their popularity. Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 2:47 PM Anthony: That is naughty to do. Kbelieve you had a sexual problem and I in her own understanding of life an personal experience over the subject she tried to help you. She played naive. Unless you're a Chinese spy to destroy the Tibetans by creating a bad reputation for them using the tantric teaching. Mayka --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 23:20 Kristy/Mayka, Make no mistake. I have no 'longing' on sex. I bring it up from time to time just to make this forym not as boring as 'just this'. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 5:11 PM Only Anthony himself knows what is the best for him and not you. Whether zen is useful to him or not to resolve issues mentioned, and only in the case that those issues were real to be resolved in him. Nobody knows the real reason behind him keep asking about the same issues. None of us knows him for real. --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 2:19 Anthony, I am not offended at all. But perhaps you should cry anyway. It is clear that you have deep and conflicted feelings about this issue, and have for a very long time. You seem stuck here. The same question has plagued you like a bad mantra for too long. I think a good cry and opening up your heart to your deepest longings can serve as a fresh start. I am not that familar with the work of Byron Katie, but I remember that she has four key questions that she advises others to consider when confronted with a dilemma. Ask yourself: 1-- Is it true? 2--Do you know for certain if it is true? 3-- How do you react when you believe it is true? 4-- Would you be (at all) without this belief /thought? Then reverse them. So, for example, if one had an abusive mother.. Go through the steps.. Then to reverse them, say : Yes , she is abusive, and the reverse is how do I abuse her? And so on... Admittedly, this is a different tract than zen-- but franklyy, I can't see that the past few years of zen has helped you break free of this issue, so perhaps a change in venue is advised. If not this-- something. Take care.. Kristy --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:00 PM Kristy, If you take offence at anything I say, I will weep under my pillow. Yes, sex can be connected with spirituality, like you experienced, sometimes you feel the disappearance of ego. But it is different whether it can coexist with Buddhism. Everytime I read Tantric Buddhism on the subject, I had a mixed feeling of amusement and shock. That is why I mention it on this forym to bring some liveliness to it. As regards ndes, it means near death experiences. Didn't you say you had it, but with not so much events as described in some reports? Anyway, thanks a lot for your stories. They will stay in my memories for a long time. Something to refer to frequently. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 7:45 AM Anthony, I'm not sure I understand your point. You are the one who brings up the topic of sex in conjunction (I assume) with spirituality. Specifically tantra and Buiddhism. I don't view or use sex as a means to sacred spiritual awareness It is part of my relationship with a man I love. While I find your comments abrupt, they are also confusing. I don't know what you mean by ndes, and you lost me with the comment on LSD and senior runners. You mentioned drug-induced states, so I commented on that as an adjunct. I thought your point was that you wanted to find some type of spiritual awareness /awakening via sex and orgy-houses, as part of a
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Mayka: You are a passionate woman who brings life to the Zen Forum; please don't stray too far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=ivv=QrdeD8LLoCMannotation_id=anno\ tation_242860 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=ivv=QrdeD8LLoCMannotation_id=ann\ otation_242860 --ED Form is Emptiness, the passions are the awakening. --Zen Master who used to frequent orgy-houses --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: I've been participating a little bit too much latlely in the forum. I can't see any of my posting be useful to anyone. When this happens the best for a practicioner is to quietly let go all the chat and lurk for a while. See you later aligator, nor for a while cocrodile. Thank you for all the company you have been giving through the weeks. Mayka
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Mayka/Kristy, Not a single doubt you can be good friends. I benefit a lot from Kristy's posts. That is a good example of sincerity, in contrast to hypocrisy now so prevalent. Probably you have not noticed that one of my motivations of my posts on Tantrism is my suspicion that they are hypocrites. If you want to play sex, there is no need to make it 'sacred'. Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 8:16 PM K... Enjoyed the clarity of this post of yours. I think that Mike might have been right and there is the possibility that if we both met and knew face to face we might become friends. Anyway, we're in the same group and find very silly not to interact with each other. You're wrong and I do like you. We both are impulsive ladies. I like from the posting you sent to Anthony your very good intentions of helping him. There was warm and compassion in your personal way of posting . I admire people who don't fear the consequences of speaking up their minds specially with taboo subjects as the one you spoke about. Interaction between Anthony and yourself was an interesting dharma. Can we make up and be friends? Mayka --- On Mon, 8/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 8 November, 2010, 23:45 Anthony, I'm not sure I understand your point. You are the one who brings up the topic of sex in conjunction (I assume) with spirituality. Specifically tantra and Buiddhism. I don't view or use sex as a means to sacred spiritual awareness It is part of my relationship with a man I love. While I find your comments abrupt, they are also confusing. I don't know what you mean by ndes, and you lost me with the comment on LSD and senior runners. You mentioned drug-induced states, so I commented on that as an adjunct. I thought your point was that you wanted to find some type of spiritual awareness /awakening via sex and orgy-houses, as part of a buddhist /zen practice. I don't even know what an orgy-house is. Is that a brothel? I understand orgy as train-sex. Thats not my style, and how one could ever see orgy sex as sacred is beyond me. But go for it. Moreover, when I questioned you initially about why you mention it so often, you stated that it gave some humor to the forum. I shared a personal experience as a means to open a dialogue about a topic you seem to care deeply about. Perhaps it is a cultural mis-perception. I felt that you discuss it alot because you actually have unfulfilled needs, and I was trying to offer my support by suggesting that sex can be a part of life at any age. I question dharma, and many spiritual disciplines, mostly because I am not seeking a guru as a means to an end. My zen and other spiritual practices are part of a balanced lifestyle. They are not my entire focus. They serve as a foundation to guide me in my work, relationships, values and character. They are the base of my integrity and help me offer what I can in my everyday , busy life. They help me resolve conflicts. They mediate my stress. They guide my compassion and offer some wisdom. But I do not cling to a particular dharma path or religious doctrine. I allow those to flow within, and change over time, as everything does. As said before, what works for others is completely fine with me. Be well.. Kristy --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:46 PM Kristy, I appreciate your candor and enjoy your stories. I understand you had an eventless nde, but colorful sex experiences. You should be satisfied. Why should you question dharma, scriptures and the meaning of exitence? I know sex climax, LSD and ndes are all different, hard to compare. Forgetting how a senior runner should perform for the time being, my original question is how Tantra reconcile sexuality and Buddhism (LSD and nde are not yet in the game). I am not against sex, as long as it is carried out in an appropriate place, including an 'orgyhouse'. But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. Anthony --- On Mon, 8/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 8 November, 2010, 6:25 AM Hi Anthony, You bring up a good point. I will say that while the particular experience I shared was
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ED, 'Stink' is composed of chemicals all from aromatic groups. What is wrong? Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 10:29 PM Bill, Stage seven is the glow in which you are radiating yourself as truth. You will feel totally in contact with yourself, and your presence will radiate from you like a glow. This will continue until you have fully presented yourself to others. The Zen people refer to this as the Zen stink. See: http://www.godening.com/FAQ.htm Surely not stage seven already? ;-) ;-) ;-) Aromatically and thornily yours, --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you're going to catch a baby tiger ¦Bill!
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Ed, Since this is an e-forum I guess it would be more correctly called e-stink...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:30 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill, Stage seven is the glow in which you are radiating yourself as truth. You will feel totally in contact with yourself, and your presence will radiate from you like a glow. This will continue until you have fully presented yourself to others. The Zen people refer to this as the Zen stink. See: http://www.godening.com/FAQ.htm Surely not stage seven already? ;-) ;-) ;-) Aromatically and thornily yours, --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you're going to catch a baby tiger ¦Bill! __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5609 (2010) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Mayka, You don't need a high level of intelligence to understand my last post. All that's required is that you've read the posts for the past several days. I don't think your intelligence level is appreciably different than Anthony's, but that doesn't matter on this forum. Intelligence (as in IQ) is not a requirement for zen. In fact sometimes I think a high IQ is a detriment. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:28 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill: You sound mysterious. I wonder what you're trying to tell me. Do remember that my intelligence is in much lower degree than the one from Anthony. Mayka --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 7:16 Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you’re going to catch a baby tiger…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:04 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Do you think so?. --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 1:19 Lovely? Maybe - but with LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of THORNS! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:05 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Nothing to forgive ED. You're also lovely in your own way. Mayka --- On Tue, 9/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 16:01 Mayka, Do forgive me - it is just my ego obsessed with what is best for itself. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED; If you would like to to know about whatever you want to know about Anthony better ask him directly and not me. But if you ask me about the role he plays in the forum I would say that he's a lovely character. I never seen his ego deffending itself and no matter how badly at times he's been provoked. I admire his modesty and kind character towards everyone. Mayka The I/me/mine in me responds: Does Anthony know or care about what others in the forum know are best for themelves? --ED Only Anthony himself knows what is the best for him and not you. Mayka __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5609 (2010) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5609 (2010) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com
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Ed, In your post below you made two statements: 1. Men behave toward each other differently when women are around than when no women are around. 2. Women behave toward each other differently when men are around than when no men are around. You could only have experienced one of these. Which is it? ...Bill! __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5609 (2010) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Anthony, I am definitely underwhelmed at the sayings of the Dalai Lama. He's supposed to be a big-time Buddhist leader and continues to encourage his countrymen to cling to their attachment to their culture and language. Most of his quotes sound like bumper-stickers seen on 1960-vintage cars. Don't worry about being 10,000 miles behind him. That's not necessarily so. It all depends on which direction you're traveling. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:43 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill, Whatever Dalai Lama says is sacred, because he is a Bodhisatva reincarnate. I try to emulate him, but found myself more than ten thousand miles behind. Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 9:23 AM Anthony, Why do you think some things are sacred and some things are not? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:16 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill, Of course, a monastry is different, as it is a place for sacred sex, in contrast to an orgyhouse, where there is nothing sacred. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 4:46 PM Anthony, Why do you think a monastery is different from any other place? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:15 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas ED, The point is they don't let you see and learn from. If they do, what price is the ticket? I would stand in a long line to purchase it. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 6:42 AM But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. What's the difference? (I think it's OK, provided engaged in on the monastery roof, for all to see and learn from. ;-) ) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Kristy, I appreciate your candor and enjoy your stories. I understand you had an eventless nde, but colorful sex experiences. You should be satisfied. Why should you question dharma, scriptures and the meaning of exitence? I know sex climax, LSD and ndes are all different, hard to compare. Forgetting how a senior runner should perform for the time being, my original question is how Tantra reconcile sexuality and Buddhism (LSD and nde are not yet in the game). I am not against sex, as long as it is carried out in an appropriate place, including an 'orgyhouse'. But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. Anthony __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5602 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5602 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5609 (2010) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email:
RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Bill: It meant to be a sarcastic joke. But anyway to participate in this forum and most of them last thing important is the practice. So your point here wouldn't be applicable anyway. You don't shine because of your practice but because of your inteligence and being very smart, People are not interested in zen as zen but to have a good time. And you provide that. Mayka --- On Thu, 11/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 11 November, 2010, 1:54 Mayka, You don't need a high level of intelligence to understand my last post. All that's required is that you've read the posts for the past several days. I don't think your intelligence level is appreciably different than Anthony's, but that doesn't matter on this forum. Intelligence (as in IQ) is not a requirement for zen. In fact sometimes I think a high IQ is a detriment. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:28 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill: You sound mysterious. I wonder what you're trying to tell me. Do remember that my intelligence is in much lower degree than the one from Anthony. Mayka --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 7:16 Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you’re going to catch a baby tiger…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:04 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Do you think so?. --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 1:19 Lovely? Maybe - but with LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of THORNS! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:05 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Nothing to forgive ED. You're also lovely in your own way. Mayka --- On Tue, 9/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 16:01 Mayka, Do forgive me - it is just my ego obsessed with what is best for itself. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED; If you would like to to know about whatever you want to know about Anthony better ask him directly and not me. But if you ask me about the role he plays in the forum I would say that he's a lovely character. I never seen his ego deffending itself and no matter how badly at times he's been provoked. I admire his modesty and kind character towards everyone. Mayka The I/me/mine in me responds: Does Anthony know or care about what others in the forum know are best for themelves? --ED Only Anthony himself knows what is the best for him and not you. Mayka __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5609 (2010) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of
