Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Thanks to Ed & Steve..   Steve, your final comment is both beautiful, and  one of  true wisdom.  Reminds me of Dostoyevsty's grand quote:  "Beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the  Devil  are fighting in the battlefield of the human heart".   Be well. :)  k   --- On Tue, 1/18/11

Re: [Zen] Feeling a little down.

Analytical might not be the right word. Observant might be closer. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Dave, >   > If zazen makes you analytical, you have made a wrong step. You should be less > or non analytical. >   > Anthony > > --- On Tue, 18/1/11, Dave P wrote: > >

Re: [Zen] Feeling a little down.

Dave,   If zazen makes you analytical, you have made a wrong step. You should be less or non analytical.   Anthony --- On Tue, 18/1/11, Dave P wrote: From: Dave P Subject: Re: [Zen] Feeling a little down. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011, 11:27 PM   Zazen ha

Re: [Zen] Pure Land Buddhism, heaven and hell, Monkey etc(to Steve/list)

ED,   Zen, including zen, soto zen, Rinzai zen, Buddhist zen and chaotic zen are of value to an illusory world of people of low intelligence, because they are easily duped.   Anthony   --- On Tue, 18/1/11, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Pure Land Buddhism, heaven and hell, Monkey etc

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Mayka,   That is how Peking Duck is made. During the process, the duck looks 'happy' (to human being, but must feel horrible to itself), because it grows fat. After the killing, the animal is roasted with all kinds of delicious paste, then served on your table. I understand why Bill sticks to Th

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Kristy,   I have to turn around again. If you kill your lover, you are glad to be rid of a nagging partner (this applies to either male or female one). When you step on a cockroach, you regret making your shoe sole dirty. Isn't it a big difference? Don't even think I mean to spoil your game. Rem

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > > The intellectual mind-set of our society, to a significant extent, does > appear to be somewhat deadened and out of touch with reality. > > On the other hand there is no evidence that realizing Buddha Nature > makes a person more moral

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: > > Excellent comments, Steve.. >   > The evidence does indeed point out that "neueons that fire together--wire > together".   As time now is short, I'll offer a web link for any here > interested in listening to some relevant thoughts

[Zen] Re: Toni Packer?

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > Steve, > > Right on! > > Both one and two AND neither one nor two AND one AND two. > > --ED > > Hi ED. Yes. And of course this transcends logical thinking. But it can be > intuitively apprehended. IMO. Steve

Re: [Zen] Beginner's Mind

  Saw this, and rememberd that Zen Mind~ Beginner's Mind was  a thread.    Constancy  Shunryu  Suzuki           “People who know the state of emptiness will always be able to dissolve their problems with constancy.”   The message for us today is “Cu

Re: [Zen] Feeling a little down.

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave P" wrote: > > Zazen has not lifted my mood, but it has made me more detached and analytical > about my moods, and i can see where there is anger and clinging behind it. I > see that my feeling upset about hearing about people on LSD comes from my > sham

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Excellent comments, Steve..   The evidence does indeed point out that "neueons that fire together--wire together".   As time now is short, I'll offer a web link for any here interested in listening to some relevant thoughts on this.  I think I've mentioned Dan Siegel, MD here before. His  2010 M

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > > The intellectual mind-set of our society, to a significant extent, does > appear to be somewhat deadened and out of touch with reality. > > On the other hand there is no evidence that realizing Buddha Nature > makes a person more moral

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > > > Deep-seated cultural memes, imbued into our minds in childhood, are > almost impossible to detect and erase, the realization of Buddha Nature > notwithstanding. > > --ED > > Hi ED. Yes. And not only cultural conditioning, but geneti

Re: [Zen] Feeling a little down.

What else can one expect? Self-interest and self-gratification are deeply ingrained in human beings and all living things, as these drives are the principal forces in the Darwinian evolutionary process, which has been occurring over millions of years. That any drug or any mind-training could *

Re: [Zen] Feeling a little down.

Zazen has not lifted my mood, but it has made me more detached and analytical about my moods, and i can see where there is anger and clinging behind it. I see that my feeling upset about hearing about people on LSD comes from my shame and anger at not being able to take it myself (I KNOW I am no

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Unconscious Emotion 1. Piotr Winkielman 1 and 2. Kent C. Berridge

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Deep-seated cultural memes, imbued into our minds in childhood, are almost impossible to detect and erase, the realization of Buddha Nature notwithstanding. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW" wrote: > Hi Bill! It may be of interest to you to know that the latest solid researc

[Zen] Re: Toni Packer?

Steve, Right on! Both one and two AND neither one nor two AND one AND two. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW" wrote: > > Hi Ed and Bill! In my opinion non-duality is not the opposite of duality. Realizing that everything is not-two leads to greater effectiveness in all areas o

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Anthony, That's from a human perspective. not from the germ's perpective. We would need a Supreme Interspecies Court to adjudicate the issue. ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED, > > Yes, of course. However, what I compare are further apart. It is between a

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

The intellectual mind-set of our society, to a significant extent, does appear to be somewhat deadened and out of touch with reality. On the other hand there is no evidence that realizing Buddha Nature makes a person more moral or kinder or emotionally and psychologically more balanced or astu

Re: [Zen] Pure Land Buddhism, heaven and hell, Monkey etc(to Steve/list)

Of what value is zen or Zen Buddhism to the illusory world of humans, animals and plants? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote: > > Three for Three! I Like This too! What Chris has stated below is exactly the reason I separate zen from Zen Buddhism...Bill! > --- In Zen_Foru

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW" wrote: > > Hi Ed. In my opinion, which may very well be mistaken, one should not fall into a nihilistic relativism when considering such things. IMO, one of the inherent dangers of Zen practice is "falling into emptiness" and ... > ... thinking that a

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Yeah! Just THIS! rocks! Enjoy your belated honeymoon, and I offer you a belated congratulations! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: > > Oh my God.. >   > Guys.. I am putting the "Do Not Disturb" sign out for a few days.   We are > TRYING  to finally  have a

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

Steve, I knew that was how I did things when I was younger and wanted a red Corvette. I rationalized that it would keep its value and would be safer to drive because people could more easily see the red color. That also applies to driving drunk. When you're drunk you should drive as fast as