Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle   Merle, I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain as a judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and maybe even think Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain?

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Merle, Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as I do. Someone ELSE! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill...not why

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 bill...acceptance is the key...what sort odf a zen buddhist are you?..merle   Merle, Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as I do. Someone ELSE! ...Bill! --- In

[Zen] Re: Zen - Introduction to zen practice / full version - Taigen Shodo Harada Roshi - YouTube

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
for the new member..welcome aham... cheers merle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL2XUTeoUsM

[Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Aham, IMO zen is a set of teachings that first enable you to experience Buddha Nature (to see things as they really are in Vipassana-speak) and then to incorporate that experience into your daily life. These teachings usually do employ a meditation technique - zazen - which in Japanese means

[Zen] Fw: Dharma Discourse: Can Do, Will Do, Done by John Daido Loori, Roshi

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
for aham...cheers merle http://mro.org/zmm/teachings/daido/teisho61.php

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Merle, As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist. I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just because I practice zen doesn't mean I don't feel pain, or have other delusions. What it means is that (most of the time) I am not attached to those

[Zen] Fw: Zen Mountain Monastery: Dharma Discourses by Daido Roshi

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
aham.. check this out...cheers merle http://mro.org/zmm/teachings/discourses.php

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
   question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and who is the judge and jury to say that this has happened to one? i think it might be a goal to work towards however individuals who achieve this fully would be few and far  between  already you complain of pain as a

[Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Merle, Seeing things as they really are is another way of saying Buddha Nature, at least that's how I interpret it. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:    question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and who is the

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2013-08-22 Thread varamtha
Dear sirs, Today unfortunately I have beaten my younger child for not speaking. I become very emotional. He is 7 years old, until last month at least he used to parrot what we say and for his name, he will say his name. For last one month he has stopped talking and all his needs are by just

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread 覺妙精明 (JMJM)
Dear Aham, Zen is about letting our inner divine, labeled as Buddha Nature, to shine through. Let it be our guide in our daily life. And the only way that it may shine through depends on the purification of our physical, mental and spiritual hindrances. Because our inner divine, same as

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2013-08-22 Thread larry maher
Your shame or anger for your son not speaking is because you are focusing on the expectations of others and what they might think. Kids can be enormously frustrating and sometimes we strike out. You apologized, that's about all you can do for now. Go easy with him. Perhaps he's going through his

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2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 suresh..take him in your arms and give him a hug..hold him close and tell him you love him...merle Dear sirs, Today unfortunately I have beaten my younger child for not speaking. I become very emotional. He is 7 years old, until last month at least he used to parrot what we say and for his

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 hallo bill...so tell me why oh why is the classification referred to as zen buddhism?... can you have zen without buddhist principles?... merle   Merle, As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist. I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
   bill...so you are still telling me pain is a delusion?... tell me next time when you are in deep pain..try a very bad toothache..see it as a delusion and don't visit the dentist...how long will you last before you realise it is real and needs attention?...merle   Merle, As you should

Fw: [Zen] (unknown)

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 silence is golden, suresh...let him be...hug him and show love not anger... merle   Your shame or anger for your son not speaking is because you are focusing on the expectations of others and what they might think. Kids can be enormously frustrating and sometimes we strike out. You

[Zen] zen as a tool

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 JM  CLARIFICATION...please.. bill say he practises zen however he is not a buddhist... i was under the impression zen was part and parcel of buddhism... that zen is the way we can approach buddha nature... and  let it shine through.. zen is a tool, not an end game in itself?... thank you

Re: [Zen] zen as a tool

2013-08-22 Thread 覺妙精明 (JMJM)
Hi Merle, Chan historically is a mixture of Buddhist language and Taoist practice. If you read the Xinxinming by the third patriarch, it sounds very much like Tao Te Jing by Lao Tzu. Bill is right that the essence of Chan existed when there is universe, before language or human being. We