Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread John Richards
Hi Rob, Welcome . I would recomend Taking the Path of Zen by Robert Aitkin and The Three Pillars of Zen by Philip Kapleau Roshi. Three pillars is a more in depth book and goes into greater detail , explaining both Shikantaza ( Just sitting) and Koan introspection.     Some other good books are

RE: [Zen] Buddha Shakyamuni 169feet

2006-08-02 Thread Bill Smart
On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:46 AM buddhadordenma wrote: >Currently a 169ft tall Shakyamuni Statue is being built in the >Kingdom of Bhutan I'd suggest Bhutan consider a smaller statue and more political and economic freedom for its people. ..Bill! **

RE: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread Bill Smart
On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:20 AM Rob wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions about where to start? Hi Rob. (Don't we already have a Rob? Guess not...) My suggestion is throw away all your books, especially books about zen and Buddhism, and seek out a competent teacher (with the emphasis on

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread dkotschessa
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:20 AM Rob wrote: > >Does anyone have any suggestions about where to start? > > Hi Rob. (Don't we already have a Rob? Guess not...) > > My suggestion is throw away all your books, especial

RE: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread Bill Smart
On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 dkotschessa wrote: >Have you thrown away all your books, Bill? No. I sit on them when I do zazen. What would you do if you wanted to learn to swim? Would you go down to the library and checkout a bunch of books on swimming? Or would you locate a swimming pool

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread dkotschessa
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 dkotschessa wrote: > > >Have you thrown away all your books, Bill? > > No. That's what I figured. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading

RE: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread donald hwong
I love this forum.  It is really fun.  Every post is direct. There is no pretense.  Yet every post is correct.  And every post shows the notions of the mind, sentiment of the poster. So here I go. Jumping into the pool.If I was Rob, I would ask, what is "competent"?  How would I know I would be

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread Michael Hansen
With all due respect, I'm always a little leery every time someone says "throw out your books" because (quite frankly) they usually read that in a book somewhere themselves, found it catchy, and want to share that wisdom with the world.   Throwing out your books may be the best thing to do for

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread dkotschessa
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With all due respect, I'm always a little leery every time someone says > "throw out your books" because (quite frankly) they usually read that in a > book somewhere themselves, found it catchy, and want to share t

Re: Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread kahtychen
That's what I'd do if I wanted to be "a perfect swimmer", or "the best swimmer". To be "a good swimmer" I'd just learn it some, practice it some, enjoy it some, and maybe even apply it some. Regards, Kahty On 8/2/06, dkotschessa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And if you wanted to be a good swim

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread dkotschessa
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, kahtychen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's what I'd do if I wanted to be "a perfect swimmer", or "the best > swimmer". > To be "a good swimmer" I'd just learn it some, practice it some, enjoy > it some, and maybe even apply it some. > > Regards, > Kahty It

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread Michael Hansen
Right.   OR, we might just read a book on swimming and decide we never wanted to go swimming in the first place, and save ourselves a bunch of time and money for learn-to-swim arm floats with Wally the Walrus logo ($3.99 plus shipping on ebay) and/or "lessons" we would have otherwise taken and m

Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread dkotschessa
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right. > > OR, we might just read a book on swimming and decide we never wanted to go > swimming in the first place, and save ourselves a bunch of time and money > for learn-to-swim arm floats with Wally the Walru

Re: Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread kahtychen
When is "swimming" separate from "enlightened"? Regards, Kahty -- ~say beautiful things to yourself~ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo

[Zen] I am a Chirstian

2006-08-02 Thread donald hwong
Receive the following from my Sister Christina, a devoted Catholic...I am a ChristianBy Maya AngelouWhen I say... "I am a Christian"I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin'."I'm whispering "I was lost,Now I'm found and forgiven."When I say... "I am a Christian"I don't speak of

Re: Re: [Zen] Introduction

2006-08-02 Thread Sheep Dog
Why not just swim without changing or holding on to the experience?   ()  larry Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. __._,_.___ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!