Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-25 Thread Merle Lester
 chris..there are teachers and teachers..trust your own mind and heart..merle   Chris, Teachers know these things, eh? I think they're qualified only to teach. --Joe > Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > I have the Buddhist Bible, and enjoyed many of its texts till my teacher > said it wasn't th

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I have the Buddhist Bible, and enjoyed many of its texts till my teacher said it wasn't that good. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jan 25, 2013 6:22 PM, "Joe" wrote: > Chris, > > I'll get 'hold of it. Thanks. I like his translations of several other > things, here, including writings (?) of B

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Red Pine 's translation is particularly clear English. I recommend it for non-Chinese readers that wish to appreciate some funny answers to problems that still vex the sangahs. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jan 25, 2013 4:57 PM, "Joe" wrote: > Yeong Soo, > > Good. You can't go wrong! > > Yes

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-25 Thread yonyonson
hahaha, always pronounced it "WHO-NAENG." is it "nung" like "dung?" thanks for pointing it out. i've honestly never heard of that sutra, though never formally practiced at a zendo either... i'm going to start reading this translation: http://www.dharmaweb.org/index.php/The_Sutra_of_Hui_Neng ho

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra

2013-01-25 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..when i reach there...merle   Merle, Yes, I've heard this sort of evasion before. ;-) OK, then; another question: "How will you know when you get to the bottom of the hole?" --Joe > Merle Lester wrote: > > joe i am not evading the question just digging deeper...merle >   > Merle, >

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe.. don't tell me you own a gun?...say no more!. .disgusting to say the least.. who and what are you going to shoot?...  you might have read it but did it sink in to the heart?  anyone can read but understanding and living according to the principles is a totally different kettle of fish a

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra

2013-01-24 Thread Merle Lester
 joe i am not evading the question just digging deeper...merle   Merle, Ja, ja. Who benefits? You're free to evade the question; no worries. --Joe > Merle Lester wrote: > > joe..you still don't get it...did you even bother to look at the text of >diamond the sutra?...  > did you bother t

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-24 Thread Merle Lester
 yes thank your lucky stars.. your still breathing the heart is more than just 4 chambers... did you read the heart sutra? merle   Dear Merle, All four healthy chambers, thank my lucky Stars. --Joe > Merle Lester wrote: > >  the whole heart or a tiny slice joe?...merle, > > >I wasn'

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra

2013-01-24 Thread Merle Lester
   joe..you still don't get it...did you even bother to look at the text of diamond the sutra?...   did you bother to read the cup story sureth sent? who profits when the one becomes many?...  profit?  what economics?  strange term to use?  merle   Merle, I don't fathom what all the diamond

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra

2013-01-24 Thread Merle Lester
   the whole heart or a tiny slice joe?...merle   Merle, I wasn't busy. I was sharing my heart. --Joe PS ("...the Great Way is easy, for those who don't pick and choose"). > Merle Lester wrote: > > lovely joe so why were you so busy analysing and sifting the diamond like you > could cut

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra

2013-01-24 Thread Merle Lester
 lovely joe so why were you so busy analysing and sifting the diamond like you could cut it... when you well know only diamond cuts diamond?..merle   Merle, ...heard of it. ;-) --Joe > Merle Lester wrote: > > come on folks..i thought you all had it in the bag..why does the fluffy > doll

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond sutra

2012-10-01 Thread Merle Lester
   facebook joe is for wankers... merle   I dislike Face-kook, and all that falfaroll. My cheeks will never appear there. You don't need to know this, tho'. --Joe > Anthony Wu wrote: >  > Where is the Like button. I don't see it. Press it for me a dozen times.

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond sutra

2012-10-01 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill!,   Where is the Like button. I don't see it. Press it for me a dozen times.   Anthony From: Bill! To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 1 October 2012, 8:17 Subject: [Zen] Re: Diamond sutra   I pressed the LIKE button on this one...Bill! --- In m

RE: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra?

2007-02-02 Thread Bill Smart
Mayka, The poem I wrote back to you was not a correction; it was a response. I was like a song where you sing one verse and I sing another. In its extreme form in the Japanese tradition this is called Dharma Combat. It is when one zen practitioner expresses their understanding and another re

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra?

2007-02-02 Thread Phillip Rogers
So, we are released from Samsara when we become mindful? Or are we released from Samsara when we truly experience reality for what it really is, which, in turn, is brought about by mindfulness? It seems to me that mindfulness, meditation, and all of these actions lead one to enlightenment, but I

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra?

2007-02-02 Thread donald hwong
Based on what I have learned about Diamond Sutra, The poem by Mayka is true only in "formlessness", not in "form", not in words, only in "realform". It is more than a concept. It can be witnessed when the practitioner reaches a certain level. And it is not samsara. _/\_ JMJM Phillip Rogers

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra?

2007-02-02 Thread Phillip Rogers
Very nice poem. It does reflect a message of Zen appropriately. Your poem has been a blessing to me. Thank you for it. However, I am not sure that Bill was necessarily making a comment about your poem. Remember, as the Diamond Sutra indicates, that there are no things. There is no Inter