Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Trevor Bernard]

No real preference between google groups or mailman TBH.
-Trev

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Dinu Gherman
 wrote:
> I just got a reply from MailmanLists support saying they plan to introduce
> Mailman 3 this year, without giving a date, though.
>
> --
> Sent on the move.
> Von unterwegs gesendet.
>
> Am 19.04.2016 um 13:54 schrieb Brian Knox :
>
> Excellent. +1 for staying with mailman then.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Kevin Sapper 
> wrote:
>>
>> Staying with Mailman is indeed the better choice. Even though I like
>> Google groups they don't have an option the migrate away from it which is a
>> deal breaker IMO.
>> Regarding helping out Ewen I gladly volunteer.
>>
>> 2016-04-19 5:30 GMT+02:00 Indradhanush Gupta
>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pieter Hintjens 
>>> wrote:

 OK, we need a small set of admins, who can work with my friend Ewen
 McNeill, who has kept archives over the years, to migrate to mailmanlists
 and then manage the lists (zeromq-announce is #2). Justin, it's your baby.
 Thank you.
>>>
>>> This is great. I'd like to volunteer if you need an extra hand.
>>>
>>>

 On 19 Apr 2016 05:10, "Pieter Hintjens"  wrote:

 Justin, that is a great proposal, thank you for finding it. I'd prefer
 keeping mailman, for familiarity.

 On 19 Apr 2016 04:36, "Justin Karneges"  wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
> mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
> page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
> want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
> import archives too.
>
> Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
> Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
> respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
> one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
> helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
> to the FSF which is pretty cool.
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
> > Jim Idle  writes:
> >
> > I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
> > priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a
> > publically
> > traded company.
> >
> > The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
> > than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience
> > with
> > either.
> >
> > > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
> > > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to
> > > now.
> >
> > In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
> > Account
> > requirement on their groups to combat spam.
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Dinu Gherman]

I just got a reply from MailmanLists support saying they plan to introduce 
Mailman 3 this year, without giving a date, though.

--
Sent on the move.
Von unterwegs gesendet.

> Am 19.04.2016 um 13:54 schrieb Brian Knox :
> 
> Excellent. +1 for staying with mailman then.
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Kevin Sapper  
>> wrote:
>> Staying with Mailman is indeed the better choice. Even though I like Google 
>> groups they don't have an option the migrate away from it which is a deal 
>> breaker IMO.
>> Regarding helping out Ewen I gladly volunteer.
>> 
>> 2016-04-19 5:30 GMT+02:00 Indradhanush Gupta :
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pieter Hintjens  wrote:
 OK, we need a small set of admins, who can work with my friend Ewen 
 McNeill, who has kept archives over the years, to migrate to mailmanlists 
 and then manage the lists (zeromq-announce is #2). Justin, it's your baby. 
 Thank you.
 
>>> 
>>> This is great. I'd like to volunteer if you need an extra hand. 
>>> 
>>>  
 On 19 Apr 2016 05:10, "Pieter Hintjens"  wrote:
 Justin, that is a great proposal, thank you for finding it. I'd prefer 
 keeping mailman, for familiarity.
 
 On 19 Apr 2016 04:36, "Justin Karneges"  wrote:
> Hey folks,
> 
> I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
> mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
> page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
> want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
> import archives too.
> 
> Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
> Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
> respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
> one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
> helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
> to the FSF which is pretty cool.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
> > Jim Idle  writes:
> >
> > I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
> > priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a publically
> > traded company.
> >
> > The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
> > than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience with
> > either.
> >
> > > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
> > > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.
> >
> > In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
> > Account
> > requirement on their groups to combat spam.
> > ___
> > zeromq-dev mailing list
> > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org
> > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Brian Knox]

Excellent. +1 for staying with mailman then.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Kevin Sapper 
wrote:

> Staying with Mailman is indeed the better choice. Even though I like
> Google groups they don't have an option the migrate away from it which is a
> deal breaker IMO.
> Regarding helping out Ewen I gladly volunteer.
>
> 2016-04-19 5:30 GMT+02:00 Indradhanush Gupta  >:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pieter Hintjens 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, we need a small set of admins, who can work with my friend Ewen
>>> McNeill, who has kept archives over the years, to migrate to mailmanlists
>>> and then manage the lists (zeromq-announce is #2). Justin, it's your baby.
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>> This is great. I'd like to volunteer if you need an extra hand.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 19 Apr 2016 05:10, "Pieter Hintjens"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Justin, that is a great proposal, thank you for finding it. I'd prefer
>>> keeping mailman, for familiarity.
>>> On 19 Apr 2016 04:36, "Justin Karneges"  wrote:
>>>
 Hey folks,

 I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
 mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
 page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
 want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
 import archives too.

 Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
 Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
 respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
 one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
 helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
 to the FSF which is pretty cool.

 On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
 > Jim Idle  writes:
 >
 > I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
 > priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a
 publically
 > traded company.
 >
 > The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
 > than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience
 with
 > either.
 >
 > > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
 > > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.
 >
 > In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
 > Account
 > requirement on their groups to combat spam.
 > ___
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 > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org
 > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Kevin Sapper]

Staying with Mailman is indeed the better choice. Even though I like Google
groups they don't have an option the migrate away from it which is a deal
breaker IMO.
Regarding helping out Ewen I gladly volunteer.

2016-04-19 5:30 GMT+02:00 Indradhanush Gupta :

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pieter Hintjens 
> wrote:
>
>> OK, we need a small set of admins, who can work with my friend Ewen
>> McNeill, who has kept archives over the years, to migrate to mailmanlists
>> and then manage the lists (zeromq-announce is #2). Justin, it's your baby.
>> Thank you.
>>
> This is great. I'd like to volunteer if you need an extra hand.
>
>
>
>> On 19 Apr 2016 05:10, "Pieter Hintjens"  wrote:
>>
>> Justin, that is a great proposal, thank you for finding it. I'd prefer
>> keeping mailman, for familiarity.
>> On 19 Apr 2016 04:36, "Justin Karneges"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
>>> mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
>>> page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
>>> want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
>>> import archives too.
>>>
>>> Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
>>> Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
>>> respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
>>> one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
>>> helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
>>> to the FSF which is pretty cool.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
>>> > Jim Idle  writes:
>>> >
>>> > I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
>>> > priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a
>>> publically
>>> > traded company.
>>> >
>>> > The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
>>> > than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience
>>> with
>>> > either.
>>> >
>>> > > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
>>> > > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.
>>> >
>>> > In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
>>> > Account
>>> > requirement on their groups to combat spam.
>>> > ___
>>> > zeromq-dev mailing list
>>> > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org
>>> > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
>>> ___
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>>> http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Indradhanush Gupta]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pieter Hintjens  wrote:

> OK, we need a small set of admins, who can work with my friend Ewen
> McNeill, who has kept archives over the years, to migrate to mailmanlists
> and then manage the lists (zeromq-announce is #2). Justin, it's your baby.
> Thank you.
>
This is great. I'd like to volunteer if you need an extra hand.



> On 19 Apr 2016 05:10, "Pieter Hintjens"  wrote:
>
> Justin, that is a great proposal, thank you for finding it. I'd prefer
> keeping mailman, for familiarity.
> On 19 Apr 2016 04:36, "Justin Karneges"  wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
>> mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
>> page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
>> want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
>> import archives too.
>>
>> Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
>> Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
>> respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
>> one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
>> helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
>> to the FSF which is pretty cool.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
>> > Jim Idle  writes:
>> >
>> > I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
>> > priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a publically
>> > traded company.
>> >
>> > The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
>> > than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience
>> with
>> > either.
>> >
>> > > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
>> > > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.
>> >
>> > In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
>> > Account
>> > requirement on their groups to combat spam.
>> > ___
>> > zeromq-dev mailing list
>> > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org
>> > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Pieter Hintjens]

OK, we need a small set of admins, who can work with my friend Ewen
McNeill, who has kept archives over the years, to migrate to mailmanlists
and then manage the lists (zeromq-announce is #2). Justin, it's your baby.
Thank you.
On 19 Apr 2016 05:10, "Pieter Hintjens"  wrote:

Justin, that is a great proposal, thank you for finding it. I'd prefer
keeping mailman, for familiarity.
On 19 Apr 2016 04:36, "Justin Karneges"  wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
> mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
> page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
> want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
> import archives too.
>
> Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
> Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
> respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
> one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
> helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
> to the FSF which is pretty cool.
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
> > Jim Idle  writes:
> >
> > I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
> > priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a publically
> > traded company.
> >
> > The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
> > than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience with
> > either.
> >
> > > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
> > > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.
> >
> > In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
> > Account
> > requirement on their groups to combat spam.
> > ___
> > zeromq-dev mailing list
> > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org
> > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Pieter Hintjens]

Justin, that is a great proposal, thank you for finding it. I'd prefer
keeping mailman, for familiarity.
On 19 Apr 2016 04:36, "Justin Karneges"  wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
> mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
> page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
> want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
> import archives too.
>
> Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
> Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
> respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
> one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
> helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
> to the FSF which is pretty cool.
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
> > Jim Idle  writes:
> >
> > I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
> > priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a publically
> > traded company.
> >
> > The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
> > than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience with
> > either.
> >
> > > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
> > > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.
> >
> > In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
> > Account
> > requirement on their groups to combat spam.
> > ___
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Justin Karneges]

Hey folks,

I spoke with MailmanLists and they are willing to host the ZeroMQ
mailing list for free. All they ask for is a link on the mailing list
page. If you'd prefer the list remain Mailman-based and simply don't
want to host it, then I'd say this is the best the way to go. They'll
import archives too.

Re: MailmanLists vs. dotList (aka Mailmanhost), both appear to be
Mailman hosting experts with a long lives (8 years and 11 years,
respectively). Other than cost, it's hard to say on the outside which
one is better, but as a customer of MailmanLists I can vouch for their
helpful support. MailmanLists also claims to be a financial contributor
to the FSF which is pretty cool.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016, at 05:21 PM, c wrote:
> Jim Idle  writes:
> 
> I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
> priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a publically
> traded company.
> 
> The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
> than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience with
> either.
> 
> > You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
> > actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.
> 
> In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google
> Account
> requirement on their groups to combat spam. 
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[c]

Jim Idle  writes:

I'm a nay on Google Groups. As seen with SourceForge, sometimes the
priorities of companies change. This is especially true for a publically
traded company.

The price points of https://www.mailmanhost.com/pricing/ seem better
than http://www.mailmanlists.net/ but I have no personal experience with either.

> You just add your email address to the google list - you don't
> actually need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.

In my experience list maintainers end up needing to enable the Google Account
requirement on their groups to combat spam. 
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Mario Steinhoff]

I'm ok with Google Groups as long I'll still receive all posts as mail
(which should be possible as others have noted).

Archive migration is a must have, seems also be possible.

What would be Plan B if in the future if Google decides to shutdown Google
Groups? This has happened in the past, even to popular services like Google
Reader.

Will the archive on gmane still be affected by the migration? When googling
for ZMQ, its always in the first hits. Things will get annoying if the
content would also be removed there.

Mario
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 at 23:06, Luca Boccassi  wrote:

> On Fri, 2016-04-15 at 14:53 +0800, Jim Idle wrote:
> > > On 14.04.2016 09:41, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> > > >> So an added criteria for any new platform is ability to import our
> > > archives.
> > > >>
> > > >> Free is a plus iff the hosting business is long term reliable.
> > > >>
> > > >> Conventional email interface is a plus.
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> https://developers.google.com/admin-sdk/groups-migration/v1/guides/manage-email-migrations#group_migrate_media_upload
> >
> > Seems to be mixed emotions on adopting Google groups, but it does have a
> > conventional email interface, you do not have to create a google account
> to
> > use the email, and it supports imports.
>
> Given it can be used with emails and the archive can be imported, +1 for
> Google Groups from me too.
>
> Kind regards,
> Luca Boccassi
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Luca Boccassi]

On Fri, 2016-04-15 at 14:53 +0800, Jim Idle wrote:
> > On 14.04.2016 09:41, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> > >> So an added criteria for any new platform is ability to import our
> > archives.
> > >>
> > >> Free is a plus iff the hosting business is long term reliable.
> > >>
> > >> Conventional email interface is a plus.
> > >>
> >
> 
> https://developers.google.com/admin-sdk/groups-migration/v1/guides/manage-email-migrations#group_migrate_media_upload
> 
> Seems to be mixed emotions on adopting Google groups, but it does have a
> conventional email interface, you do not have to create a google account to
> use the email, and it supports imports.

Given it can be used with emails and the archive can be imported, +1 for
Google Groups from me too.

Kind regards,
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Jim Idle]

> On 14.04.2016 09:41, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> >> So an added criteria for any new platform is ability to import our
> archives.
> >>
> >> Free is a plus iff the hosting business is long term reliable.
> >>
> >> Conventional email interface is a plus.
> >>
>

https://developers.google.com/admin-sdk/groups-migration/v1/guides/manage-email-migrations#group_migrate_media_upload

Seems to be mixed emotions on adopting Google groups, but it does have a
conventional email interface, you do not have to create a google account to
use the email, and it supports imports.
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[alex.]

I have to take back my vote for librelist. By chance I read some Mails 
from Flask (a python web-framework) which used to host their 
mailing-lists there and decided to move to mail.python.org. Turns out 
librelist didn't use mailman and some users were unable to subscribe to 
the list, while Zed Shaw seems to have abandoned his librelist project.[1]

So bugs, non-conventional software and halting development throws 
librelist out of the race.

Another thing: Personally I couldn't find a mailman hoster that's free 
for opensource projects. Unless you'd count riseup.[2]

[1]: 
http://librelist.com/browser//flask/2015/7/14/switch-mailing-list-software-away-from-librelist/
[2]: https://lists.riseup.net/

Am 14.04.2016 um 11:54 schrieb alex.:
> Also a 'nay' on Google Groups from me.
>
> And I also concur with Lionel Orry: Librelist is just awesome.
> Personally I've had the best mailing list experience with lists hosted
> their - although that might just say something about the quality of the
> projects hosted there.
>
> Afaik it also uses mailman and from their help page as a list owner you
> seem to have good access to archive data, so porting them over is
> probably easily doable. But you can simply send an E-Mail to
> m...@librelist.com and ask, the guy running the show is really nice.
>
> best,
> alex.
>
> On 14.04.2016 09:41, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
>> So an added criteria for any new platform is ability to import our archives.
>>
>> Free is a plus iff the hosting business is long term reliable.
>>
>> Conventional email interface is a plus.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Indradhanush Gupta
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Jim Idle  wrote:

 Also usually a lurker here, but I am all in favor of Google Groups.
 Generally much better than the mailing list software. Can be a change for
 some people of course. But +1 from me for what it's worth.

 Jim

 On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Dinu Gherman
  wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I'm a silent lurker here, but I would most likely stop following this
> list after a move to google groups.
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree with Dinu here. I'll probably forget about the list on google groups.
>>>
>
> I don't like imposing the use of an account already connecting to lots of
> data where any email address anywhere would be just what is needed. Sure,
> you can user other identities, but that's a pain.
>
> Unrelated to ideology, I've tried using google groups for other groups
> imposing it on their members and I did not like the "user experience" at
> all, and after a while I gave up. I don't understand how people can like 
> it.
> If it would be more like google mail, I
> might like it.
>
> I would give Mailman 3 a try which should now have an interface decades
> better than Mailman 2, which is probably literally true if you skip the
> plural s.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dinu
>
> --
> Sent on the move.
> Von unterwegs gesendet.
>
>> Am 14.04.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Pieter Hintjens :
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
>> zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
>> iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
>> long term sustainability.
>>
>> (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
>> can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
>>
>> Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
>> other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
>> factors.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Jim Idle]

You just add your email address to the google list - you don't actually
need a Google account. Thre is really no difference to now.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Jeff Shanab  wrote:

> I am also a mostly silent lurker and will probably not follow a google
> group. :-(
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Dinu Gherman  > wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm a silent lurker here, but I would most likely stop following this
>> list after a move to google groups. I don't like imposing the use of an
>> account already connecting to lots of data where any email address anywhere
>> would be just what is needed. Sure, you can user other identities, but
>> that's a pain.
>>
>> Unrelated to ideology, I've tried using google groups for other groups
>> imposing it on their members and I did not like the "user experience" at
>> all, and after a while I gave up. I don't understand how people can like
>> it. If it would be more like google mail, I
>> might like it.
>>
>> I would give Mailman 3 a try which should now have an interface decades
>> better than Mailman 2, which is probably literally true if you skip the
>> plural s.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dinu
>>
>> --
>> Sent on the move.
>> Von unterwegs gesendet.
>>
>> > Am 14.04.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Pieter Hintjens :
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
>> > zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
>> > iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
>> > long term sustainability.
>> >
>> > (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
>> > can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
>> >
>> > Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
>> > other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
>> > factors.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Kyle Kelley]

I'm in favor of Google groups, relative to the alternatives.

On Thursday, April 14, 2016, Greg Young  wrote:

> Google groups is a mediocre solution given all the alternatives but
> its also quite commonly used so most people are willing to deal with
> its warts. The history of the group would be important to bring over
> if possible (I do not know of an api for bringing it over).
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:45 AM, Pieter Hintjens  > wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
> > zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
> > iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
> > long term sustainability.
> >
> > (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
> > can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
> >
> > Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
> > other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
> > factors.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Alex Bligh]

On 14 Apr 2016, at 08:41, Pieter Hintjens  wrote:

> So an added criteria for any new platform is ability to import our archives.
> 
> Free is a plus iff the hosting business is long term reliable.
> 
> Conventional email interface is a plus.

Additional criterion (satisfied by Google Groups and many others): spam
resistance.

Lists at sourceforge that I'm on have more spam than genuine messages.
So don't go there please.

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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[alex.]

Also a 'nay' on Google Groups from me.

And I also concur with Lionel Orry: Librelist is just awesome.
Personally I've had the best mailing list experience with lists hosted
their - although that might just say something about the quality of the
projects hosted there.

Afaik it also uses mailman and from their help page as a list owner you
seem to have good access to archive data, so porting them over is
probably easily doable. But you can simply send an E-Mail to
m...@librelist.com and ask, the guy running the show is really nice.

best,
alex.

On 14.04.2016 09:41, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> So an added criteria for any new platform is ability to import our archives.
> 
> Free is a plus iff the hosting business is long term reliable.
> 
> Conventional email interface is a plus.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Indradhanush Gupta
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Jim Idle  wrote:
>>>
>>> Also usually a lurker here, but I am all in favor of Google Groups.
>>> Generally much better than the mailing list software. Can be a change for
>>> some people of course. But +1 from me for what it's worth.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Dinu Gherman
>>>  wrote:

 Hi!

 I'm a silent lurker here, but I would most likely stop following this
 list after a move to google groups.
>>
>>
>> Agree with Dinu here. I'll probably forget about the list on google groups.
>>

 I don't like imposing the use of an account already connecting to lots of
 data where any email address anywhere would be just what is needed. Sure,
 you can user other identities, but that's a pain.

 Unrelated to ideology, I've tried using google groups for other groups
 imposing it on their members and I did not like the "user experience" at
 all, and after a while I gave up. I don't understand how people can like 
 it.
 If it would be more like google mail, I
 might like it.

 I would give Mailman 3 a try which should now have an interface decades
 better than Mailman 2, which is probably literally true if you skip the
 plural s.

 Cheers,

 Dinu

 --
 Sent on the move.
 Von unterwegs gesendet.

> Am 14.04.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Pieter Hintjens :
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
> zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
> iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
> long term sustainability.
>
> (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
> can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
>
> Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
> other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
> factors.
>
> Thanks
> Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Alex Bligh]

On 14 Apr 2016, at 10:46, Jeff Shanab  wrote:

> I am also a mostly silent lurker and will probably not follow a google group. 
> :-(  

I've no particular beef for or against Google Groups, but it is entirely 
possible
to follow them like a normal mailing list. The signup feature is hidden a 
little,
but you can get it to send every message to your by email, and you can reply by
email. I participate in several lists that work this way (the raft mailing
list being an example off the top of my head).

The main problem is that if most people use the Google Groups interface, a lot
of them seem to reply trimming all context, which makes following conversations
hard.

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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Jeff Shanab]

I am also a mostly silent lurker and will probably not follow a google
group. :-(

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Dinu Gherman 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm a silent lurker here, but I would most likely stop following this list
> after a move to google groups. I don't like imposing the use of an account
> already connecting to lots of data where any email address anywhere would
> be just what is needed. Sure, you can user other identities, but that's a
> pain.
>
> Unrelated to ideology, I've tried using google groups for other groups
> imposing it on their members and I did not like the "user experience" at
> all, and after a while I gave up. I don't understand how people can like
> it. If it would be more like google mail, I
> might like it.
>
> I would give Mailman 3 a try which should now have an interface decades
> better than Mailman 2, which is probably literally true if you skip the
> plural s.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dinu
>
> --
> Sent on the move.
> Von unterwegs gesendet.
>
> > Am 14.04.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Pieter Hintjens :
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
> > zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
> > iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
> > long term sustainability.
> >
> > (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
> > can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
> >
> > Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
> > other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
> > factors.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Pieter Hintjens]

So an added criteria for any new platform is ability to import our archives.

Free is a plus iff the hosting business is long term reliable.

Conventional email interface is a plus.


On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Indradhanush Gupta
 wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Jim Idle  wrote:
>>
>> Also usually a lurker here, but I am all in favor of Google Groups.
>> Generally much better than the mailing list software. Can be a change for
>> some people of course. But +1 from me for what it's worth.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Dinu Gherman
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I'm a silent lurker here, but I would most likely stop following this
>>> list after a move to google groups.
>
>
> Agree with Dinu here. I'll probably forget about the list on google groups.
>
>>>
>>> I don't like imposing the use of an account already connecting to lots of
>>> data where any email address anywhere would be just what is needed. Sure,
>>> you can user other identities, but that's a pain.
>>>
>>> Unrelated to ideology, I've tried using google groups for other groups
>>> imposing it on their members and I did not like the "user experience" at
>>> all, and after a while I gave up. I don't understand how people can like it.
>>> If it would be more like google mail, I
>>> might like it.
>>>
>>> I would give Mailman 3 a try which should now have an interface decades
>>> better than Mailman 2, which is probably literally true if you skip the
>>> plural s.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dinu
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent on the move.
>>> Von unterwegs gesendet.
>>>
>>> > Am 14.04.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Pieter Hintjens :
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
>>> > zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
>>> > iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
>>> > long term sustainability.
>>> >
>>> > (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
>>> > can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
>>> >
>>> > Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
>>> > other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
>>> > factors.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Indradhanush Gupta]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Jim Idle  wrote:

> Also usually a lurker here, but I am all in favor of Google Groups.
> Generally much better than the mailing list software. Can be a change for
> some people of course. But +1 from me for what it's worth.
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Dinu Gherman  > wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm a silent lurker here, but I would most likely stop following this
>> list after a move to google groups.
>
>
Agree with Dinu here. I'll probably forget about the list on google groups.


> I don't like imposing the use of an account already connecting to lots of
>> data where any email address anywhere would be just what is needed. Sure,
>> you can user other identities, but that's a pain.
>>
>> Unrelated to ideology, I've tried using google groups for other groups
>> imposing it on their members and I did not like the "user experience" at
>> all, and after a while I gave up. I don't understand how people can like
>> it. If it would be more like google mail, I
>> might like it.
>>
>> I would give Mailman 3 a try which should now have an interface decades
>> better than Mailman 2, which is probably literally true if you skip the
>> plural s.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dinu
>>
>> --
>> Sent on the move.
>> Von unterwegs gesendet.
>>
>> > Am 14.04.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Pieter Hintjens :
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
>> > zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
>> > iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
>> > long term sustainability.
>> >
>> > (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
>> > can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
>> >
>> > Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
>> > other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
>> > factors.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Jim Idle]

Also usually a lurker here, but I am all in favor of Google Groups.
Generally much better than the mailing list software. Can be a change for
some people of course. But +1 from me for what it's worth.

Jim

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Dinu Gherman 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm a silent lurker here, but I would most likely stop following this list
> after a move to google groups. I don't like imposing the use of an account
> already connecting to lots of data where any email address anywhere would
> be just what is needed. Sure, you can user other identities, but that's a
> pain.
>
> Unrelated to ideology, I've tried using google groups for other groups
> imposing it on their members and I did not like the "user experience" at
> all, and after a while I gave up. I don't understand how people can like
> it. If it would be more like google mail, I
> might like it.
>
> I would give Mailman 3 a try which should now have an interface decades
> better than Mailman 2, which is probably literally true if you skip the
> plural s.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dinu
>
> --
> Sent on the move.
> Von unterwegs gesendet.
>
> > Am 14.04.2016 um 00:45 schrieb Pieter Hintjens :
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
> > zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
> > iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
> > long term sustainability.
> >
> > (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
> > can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
> >
> > Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
> > other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
> > factors.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Lionel Orry]

Librelist (http://librelist.com/) is totally free as well and its web and
email interfaces are nice and easy to use. Just my 2 cents...

Regards
Lionel

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Holger Winkelmann <hwin...@tpip.net> wrote:

> Please think about the list archives. usually people like to search them
> I would assume the got lost with google groups move and you need to run
> the archive for a longer time or host it somewhere else.
>
> Holger
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Justin Karneges" <jus...@affinix.com>
> > To: zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org
> > Sent: Thursday, 14 April, 2016 01:11:10
> > Subject: Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?
>
> > If you like Mailman, I suggest http://www.mailmanlists.net/ . It's
> > affordable, and the admins are responsive and helpful. I recently
> > started using it on one of my lists.
> >
> > Google groups is decent. I use it on a couple of my other lists. The
> > Google account stuff is a little obnoxious but it's hard to beat free.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016, at 03:45 PM, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
> >> zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
> >> iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
> >> long term sustainability.
> >>
> >> (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
> >> can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
> >>
> >> Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
> >> other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
> >> factors.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Holger Winkelmann]

Please think about the list archives. usually people like to search them
I would assume the got lost with google groups move and you need to run
the archive for a longer time or host it somewhere else.

Holger

- Original Message -
> From: "Justin Karneges" <jus...@affinix.com>
> To: zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org
> Sent: Thursday, 14 April, 2016 01:11:10
> Subject: Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

> If you like Mailman, I suggest http://www.mailmanlists.net/ . It's
> affordable, and the admins are responsive and helpful. I recently
> started using it on one of my lists.
> 
> Google groups is decent. I use it on a couple of my other lists. The
> Google account stuff is a little obnoxious but it's hard to beat free.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016, at 03:45 PM, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
>> zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
>> iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
>> long term sustainability.
>> 
>> (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
>> can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
>> 
>> Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
>> other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
>> factors.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Justin Karneges]

If you like Mailman, I suggest http://www.mailmanlists.net/ . It's
affordable, and the admins are responsive and helpful. I recently
started using it on one of my lists.

Google groups is decent. I use it on a couple of my other lists. The
Google account stuff is a little obnoxious but it's hard to beat free.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016, at 03:45 PM, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
> zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
> iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
> long term sustainability.
> 
> (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
> can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
> 
> Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
> other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
> factors.
> 
> Thanks
> Pieter
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Brian Knox]

I'm not averse to google groups, in that it is low friction / low
maintenance - and I always hesitate to suggest self hosted / higher
friction / higher maintenance solutions unless I'm willing to implement and
maintain them myself.

Brian

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Pieter Hintjens  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
> zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
> iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
> long term sustainability.
>
> (Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
> can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)
>
> Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
> other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
> factors.
>
> Thanks
> Pieter
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[zeromq-dev] Moving list to Google groups?

[Pieter Hintjens]

Hi all,

I'd like to raise this question for discussion. The problem is that
zeromq-dev is running on an iMatix server, and I'd like to remove
iMatix infrastructure from our community, over time. It's a matter of
long term sustainability.

(Apart from the list, iMatix also hosts downloads.zeromq.org which we
can start to move to Github release attachments IMO.)

Anyhow, re. lists, let's weigh pros and cons of Google groups versus
other options. I'll make the decision based on this thread and other
factors.

Thanks
Pieter
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