Re: [zfs-discuss] OT: Formatting Problem of ZFS Adm Guide (pdf)

2008-07-23 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I doubt so. Star/OpenOffice are word processors... and like Word they are not suitable for typesetting documents. SGML, FrameMaker TeX/LateX are the only ones capable of doing that. This was pretty much true about a year ago. However, after version 2.3, which adds the kerning feature,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-23 Thread Justin Stringfellow
with other Word files. You will thus end up seeking all over the disk to read _most_ Word files. Which really sucks. snip very limited, constrained usage. Disk is just so cheap, that you _really_ have to have an enormous amount of dup before the performance penalties of dedup are

[zfs-discuss] where was zpool status information keeping.

2008-07-23 Thread wan_jm
the os 's / first is on mirror /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s0 and /dev/dsk/c1t1d0s0, and then created home_pool using mirror, here is the mirror information. pool: omp_pool state: ONLINE scrub: none requested config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM omp_pool ONLINE 0

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Tharindu, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:35:33 AM, you wrote: TRB Dear Mark/All, TRB Our trading system is writing to local and/or array volume at 10k TRB messages per second. TRB Each message is about 700bytes in size. TRB Before ZFS, we used UFS. TRB Even with UFS, there was evey 5

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi
10,000 x 700 = 7MB per second .. We have this rate for whole day 10,000 orders per second is minimum requirments of modern day stock exchanges ... Cache still help us for ~1 hours, but after that who will help us ... We are using 2540 for current testing ... I have tried same with

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi
txt_time/D mdb: failed to dereference symbol: unknown symbol name txg_time/D mdb: failed to dereference symbol: unknown symbol name Am I doing something wrong Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Tharindu, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:35:33 AM, you wrote: TRB Dear Mark/All, TRB Our

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Frank . Hofmann
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi wrote: 10,000 x 700 = 7MB per second .. We have this rate for whole day 10,000 orders per second is minimum requirments of modern day stock exchanges ... Cache still help us for ~1 hours, but after that who will help us ...

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication

2008-07-23 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than anything, Bob's reply is my major feeling on this. Dedup may indeed turn out to be quite useful, but honestly, there's no broad data which says that it is a Big Win (tm) _right_now_, compared to finishing other

Re: [zfs-discuss] OT: Formatting Problem of ZFS Adm Guide (pdf)

2008-07-23 Thread David Collier-Brown
One can carve furniture with an axe, especially if it's razor-sharp, but that doesn't make it a spokeshave, plane and saw. I love star office, and use it every day, but my publisher uses Frame, so that's what I use for books. --dave W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I doubt so. Star/OpenOffice are word

Re: [zfs-discuss] Moving ZFS root pool to different system breaks boot

2008-07-23 Thread Jürgen Keil
Recently, I needed to move the boot disks containing a ZFS root pool in an Ultra 1/170E running snv_93 to a different system (same hardware) because the original system was broken/unreliable. To my dismay, unlike with UFS, the new machine wouldn't boot: WARNING: pool 'root' could not be

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi wrote: 10,000 x 700 = 7MB per second .. We have this rate for whole day 10,000 orders per second is minimum requirments of modern day stock exchanges ... Cache still help us for ~1 hours, but after that who will help us ...

Re: [zfs-discuss] Moving ZFS root pool to different system breaks boot

2008-07-23 Thread Rainer Orth
=?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=BCrgen_Keil?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recently, I needed to move the boot disks containing a ZFS root pool in an Ultra 1/170E running snv_93 to a different system (same hardware) because the original system was broken/unreliable. To my dismay, unlike with UFS, the new

Re: [zfs-discuss] Cannot attach mirror to SPARC zfs root pool

2008-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
Rainer Orth wrote: Rainer Orth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: instlalboot on the new disk and see if that fixes it. Unfortunately, it didn't. Reconsidering now, I see that I ran installboot against slice 0 (reduced by 1 sector as required by CR 6680633) instead of slice 2 (whole

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Ellis, Mike
Would adding a dedicated ZIL/SLOG (what is the difference between those 2 exactly? Is there one?) help meet your requirement? The idea would be to use some sort of relatively large SSD drive of some variety to absorb the initial write-hit. After hours when things quieit down (or perhaps during

Re: [zfs-discuss] Cannot attach mirror to SPARC zfs root pool

2008-07-23 Thread Rainer Orth
Richard Elling writes: I've found out what the problem was: I didn't specify the -F zfs option to installboot, so only half of the ZFS bootblock was written. This is a combination of two documentation bugs and a terrible interface: Mainly because there is no -F option? Huh? From

Re: [zfs-discuss] Cannot attach mirror to SPARC zfs root pool

2008-07-23 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Rainer, Sorry for your trouble. I'm updating the installboot example in the ZFS Admin Guide with the -F zfs syntax now. We'll fix the installboot man page as well. Mark, I don't have an x86 system to test right now, can you send me the correct installgrub syntax for booting a ZFS file system?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Cannot attach mirror to SPARC zfs root pool

2008-07-23 Thread Rainer Orth
Cindy, Sorry for your trouble. no problem. I'm updating the installboot example in the ZFS Admin Guide with the -F zfs syntax now. We'll fix the installboot man page as well. Great, thanks. Rainer - Rainer

Re: [zfs-discuss] checksum errors on root pool after upgrade to snv_94

2008-07-23 Thread Jürgen Keil
I wrote: Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 10:28 -0700, Jürgen Keil wrote: I ran a scrub on a root pool after upgrading to snv_94, and got checksum errors: Hmm, after reading this, I started a zpool scrub on my mirrored pool, on a system that is running post

Re: [zfs-discuss] Cannot attach mirror to SPARC zfs root pool

2008-07-23 Thread Mark J Musante
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rainer, Sorry for your trouble. I'm updating the installboot example in the ZFS Admin Guide with the -F zfs syntax now. We'll fix the installboot man page as well. Mark, I don't have an x86 system to test right now, can you send me the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi wrote: 10,000 x 700 = 7MB per second .. We have this rate for whole day 10,000 orders per second is minimum requirments of modern day stock exchanges ... Cache still help us for ~1 hours, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Cannot attach mirror to SPARC zfs root pool

2008-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
Rainer Orth wrote: Richard Elling writes: I've found out what the problem was: I didn't specify the -F zfs option to installboot, so only half of the ZFS bootblock was written. This is a combination of two documentation bugs and a terrible interface: Mainly because there is

[zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Steve
I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year. Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm thinking to go with Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!! Apart from the other components, the main problem is to choose the motherboard. The offer is incredibly high and I'm lost. Minimum

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Tim
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year. Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm thinking to go with Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!! Apart from the other components, the main problem is to choose the

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Charles Menser
I am wondering how many SATA controllers most motherboards have for their built-in SATA ports. Mine, an ASUS M2A-VM, has four ports, but OpenSolaris reports them as belonging to two controllers. I have seen motherboards with 6+ SATA ports, and would love to know if any of them have more

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-23 Thread Brandon High
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mark/All, Our trading system is writing to local and/or array volume at 10k messages per second. Each message is about 700bytes in size. Before ZFS, we used UFS. Even with UFS, there was evey 5

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Matt Harrison
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve wrote: | I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year. | | Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm thinking to go with Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!! | | Apart from the other components, the main problem is to choose the

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minimum requisites should be: - working well with Open Solaris ;-) - micro ATX (I would put in a little case) - low power consumption but more important reliable (!) - with Gigabit ethernet - 4+ (even better 6+) sata 3gb

[zfs-discuss] ZFS questions

2008-07-23 Thread Richard Gilmore
Hello Zfs Community, I am trying to locate if zfs has a compatible tool to Veritas's vxbench? Any ideas? I see a tool called vdbench that looks close, but it is not a Sun tool, does Sun recommend something to customers moving from Veritas to ZFS and like vxbench and its capabilities?

[zfs-discuss] zfs:zfs_arc_max

2008-07-23 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Is it possible to input the value of zfs:zfs_arc_max in 10-based format or other more common form (e.g., zfs:zfs_arc_max = 1GB, etc.), in addition to the current hex format? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Steve
Thank you for all the replays! (and in the meantime I was just having a dinner! :-) To recap: tcook: you are right, in fact I'm thinking to have just 3/4 for now, without anything else (no cd/dvd, no videocard, nothing else than mb and drives) the case will be the second choice, but I'll try to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS questions

2008-07-23 Thread Thommy M.
Richard Gilmore wrote: Hello Zfs Community, I am trying to locate if zfs has a compatible tool to Veritas's vxbench? Any ideas? I see a tool called vdbench that looks close, but it is not a Sun tool, does Sun recommend something to customers moving from Veritas to ZFS and like vxbench

[zfs-discuss] evaluate ZFS ACL

2008-07-23 Thread Paul B. Henson
I was curious if there was any utility or library function available to evaluate a ZFS ACL. The standard POSIX access(2) call is available to evaluate access by the current process, but I would like to evaluate an ACL in one process that would be able to determine whether or not some other user

Re: [zfs-discuss] evaluate ZFS ACL

2008-07-23 Thread Ian Collins
Paul B. Henson writes: I was curious if there was any utility or library function available to evaluate a ZFS ACL. The standard POSIX access(2) call is available to evaluate access by the current process, but I would like to evaluate an ACL in one process that would be able to determine

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Miles Nordin
mh == Matt Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mh http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/home-fileserver-zfs-hardware/ that's very helpful. I'll reshop for nForce 570 boards. i think my untested guess was an nForce 630 or something, so it probably won't work. I would add: 1. do not get three

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs:zfs_arc_max

2008-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Is it possible to input the value of zfs:zfs_arc_max in 10-based format or other more common form (e.g., zfs:zfs_arc_max = 1GB, etc.), in addition to the current hex format? Parameters set in /etc/system follow the rules as described in the system(4) man page.

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bhigh: so the best is 780G? I'm not sure if it's the best, but it's a good choice. A motherboard and cpu can be had for about $150. Personally, I'm waiting for the AMD 790GX / SB750 which is due out this month. The 780G has 1 x16

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS questions

2008-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
Thommy M. wrote: Richard Gilmore wrote: Hello Zfs Community, I am trying to locate if zfs has a compatible tool to Veritas's vxbench? Any ideas? I see a tool called vdbench that looks close, but it is not a Sun tool, does Sun recommend something to customers moving from Veritas to

Re: [zfs-discuss] L2ARC is Solaris 10?

2008-07-23 Thread Brendan Gregg - Sun Microsystems
G'Day Jeff, On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:45:13PM -0400, Jeff Taylor wrote: When will L2ARC be available in Solaris 10? There are no current plans to back port; if we were to, I think it would be ideal (or maybe a requirement) to sync up zpool features: VER DESCRIPTION ---

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Ian Collins
Miles Nordin writes: mh == Matt Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mh http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/home-fileserver-zfs-hardware/ that's very helpful. I'll reshop for nForce 570 boards. i think my untested guess was an nForce 630 or something, so it probably won't work. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] L2ARC is Solaris 10?

2008-07-23 Thread Brendan Gregg - Sun Microsystems
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 03:20:47PM -0700, Brendan Gregg - Sun Microsystems wrote: G'Day Jeff, On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:45:13PM -0400, Jeff Taylor wrote: When will L2ARC be available in Solaris 10? There are no current plans to back port; Sorry - I should have said that I wasn't aware

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. get four disks and do raidz2. In addition to increasing MTTF, this is good because if you need to leave in a hurry, you can grab two of the disks and still leave behind a working file server. I think this

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 23 July, 2008 - Brandon High sent me these 1,3K bytes: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. get four disks and do raidz2. In addition to increasing MTTF, this is good because if you need to leave in a hurry, you can grab two of the disks

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Brandon High wrote: With raidz2, you can grab any two disks. With mirroring, you have to grab the correct two. Personally, with only 4 drives I would use raidz to increase the available storage or mirroring for better performance rather than use raidz2. If mirroring is

Re: [zfs-discuss] evaluate ZFS ACL

2008-07-23 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ian Collins wrote: I don't know if such a tool exists, but I'm in the process or writing one (as part of a larger ACL admin tool) if you are intersted. If there is no standard routine to handle this functionality, I would very much appreciate a copy of your code...

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Miles Nordin
ic == Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ic I'd use mirrors rather than raidz2. You should see better ic performance the problem is that it's common for a very large drive to have unreadable sectors. This can happen because the drive is so big that its bit-error-rate matters. But

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Aaron Theodore
3. burn in the raidset for at least one month before trusting the disks to not all fail simultaneously. Has anyone ever seen this happen for real? I seriously doubt it will happen with new drives. I have seen it happen on my own home ZFS fileserver... purchased two new 500gb

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Miles Nordin wrote: the problem is that it's common for a very large drive to have unreadable sectors. This can happen because the drive is so big that its bit-error-rate matters. But usually it happens because the drive is starting to go bad but you don't realize this

[zfs-discuss] x4500 performance tuning.

2008-07-23 Thread Jorgen Lundman
We are having slow performance with the UFS volumes on the x4500. They are slow even on the local server. Which makes me think it is (for once) not NFS related. Current settings: SunOS x4500-01.unix 5.11 snv_70b i86pc i386 i86pc # cat /etc/release Solaris Express Developer

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500 performance tuning.

2008-07-23 Thread Ian Collins
Jorgen Lundman writes: We are having slow performance with the UFS volumes on the x4500. They are slow even on the local server. Which makes me think it is (for once) not NFS related. Current settings: SunOS x4500-01.unix 5.11 snv_70b i86pc i386 i86pc That's a very old

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500 performance tuning.

2008-07-23 Thread Jorgen Lundman
SunOS x4500-01.unix 5.11 snv_70b i86pc i386 i86pc That's a very old release, have you considered upgrading? Ian. It was the absolute latest version available when we received the x4500, and now it is live and supporting a large number of customers. However, the 2nd unit will arrive next

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-23 Thread Donald Murray, P.Eng.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Miles Nordin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *SNIP* Anyway, you can find more anecdotes in the archives of this list. IIRC someone else corroborated that he found, among non-DoA drives, failures are more likely in the first month than in the second month, but I

Re: [zfs-discuss] can anyone help me?

2008-07-23 Thread Aaron Botsis
Hello, I've hit this same problem. Hernan/Victor, I sent you an email asking for the description of this solution. I've also got important data on my array. I went to b93 hoping there'd be a patch for this. I caused the problem in a manner identical to Hernan; by removing a zvol clone. Exact