Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-27 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:47 PM, River Tarnell ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Ahrens: does this mean that without an account on the NFS server, a user cannot see his current disk use / quota? That's correct. in this

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-27 Thread ольга крыжановская
Will this work with Linux rquota clients, too? Olga On 4/1/09, Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com wrote: Mike Gerdts wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com wrote: River Tarnell wrote: Matthew Ahrens: ZFS user quotas (like other

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Casper . Dik
River Tarnell wrote: Matthew Ahrens: ZFS user quotas (like other zfs properties) will not be accessible over NFS; you must be on the machine running zfs to manipulate them. does this mean that without an account on the NFS server, a user cannot see his current disk use / quota? That's

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
casper@sun.com wrote: River Tarnell wrote: Matthew Ahrens: ZFS user quotas (like other zfs properties) will not be accessible over NFS; you must be on the machine running zfs to manipulate them. does this mean that without an account on the NFS server, a user cannot see his current disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Matthew, Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:16:42 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Excellent news. Wouldn't it be better if logical disk usage would be accounted and not physical - I mean when compression is enabled should quota be accounted based by a logical file

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Richard Elling
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:16:42 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Excellent news. Wouldn't it be better if logical disk usage would be accounted and not physical - I mean when compression is enabled should quota be accounted

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:16:42 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Excellent news. Wouldn't it be better if logical disk usage would be accounted and not physical - I mean when compression is enabled should quota be accounted

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Richard, Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:32:25 PM, you wrote: RE Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:16:42 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Excellent news. Wouldn't it be better if logical disk usage would be accounted and not

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:58:34AM +0200, casper@sun.com wrote: I know that this is one of the additional protocols developed for NFSv2 and NFSv3; does NFSv4 has a similar mechanism to get the quota? Yes, NFSv4.0 and 4.1 both provide the same quota information retrieval interface, three

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:04:47AM +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: If we had the .zfs/props/propname RFE implemented that would allow users to see this regardless of what file sharing protocol they use. As well as lots of other very interesting info about the filesystem. Indeed!

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Mike Gerdts wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com wrote: River Tarnell wrote: Matthew Ahrens: ZFS user quotas (like other zfs properties) will not be accessible over NFS; you must be on the machine running zfs to manipulate them. does this mean that

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Matthew Ahrens wrote: So from a user perspective isn't it a little bit confusing as he managed to write more data than he thinks he is allowed to. Pleasant surprises tend to be tolerated :-) Until it comes time to back that data up. It is conceivable for users to

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Bob, Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:14:46 PM, you wrote: BF On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Matthew Ahrens wrote: So from a user perspective isn't it a little bit confusing as he managed to write more data than he thinks he is allowed to. Pleasant surprises tend to be tolerated :-) BF Until it

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-04-01 Thread Carson Gaspar
[ re-sending to the list address - stupid thunderbird still doesn't have reply-to-list :-( ] Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Bob, Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:14:46 PM, you wrote: ... BF Until it comes time to back that data up. It is conceivable for users BF to create a DOS for the backup

[zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Matthew Ahrens
FYI, I filed this PSARC case yesterday, and expect to integrate into OpenSolaris in April. Your comments are welcome. http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2009/204/ --matt ---BeginMessage--- Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Mike Gerdts
2009/3/31 Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com: 4. New Properties user/group space accounting information and quotas can be manipulated with 4 new properties: zfs get userused@user fs|snap zfs get groupused@group fs|snap zfs get userquota@user fs|snap zfs get groupquota@group fs|snap

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Matthew, Excellent news. Wouldn't it be better if logical disk usage would be accounted and not physical - I mean when compression is enabled should quota be accounted based by a logical file size or physical as in du? I'm not saying which one is better just raising the question. --

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Blake
much cheering ensues! 2009/3/31 Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com: FYI, I filed this PSARC case yesterday, and expect to integrate into OpenSolaris in April.  Your comments are welcome. http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2009/204/ --matt -- Forwarded message --

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 02:37:02PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: The user or group is specified using one of the following forms: posix name (eg. ahrens) posix numeric id (eg. 126829) sid name (eg. ahr...@sun) sid numeric id (eg. S-1-12345-12423-125829) How does this work with zones?

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Excellent news. Wouldn't it be better if logical disk usage would be accounted and not physical - I mean when compression is enabled should quota be accounted based by a logical file size or physical as in du? ] The compressed space *is* the amount of

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 01:16:42PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Excellent news. Wouldn't it be better if logical disk usage would be accounted and not physical - I mean when compression is enabled should quota be accounted based by a logical file

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 02:37:02PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: The user or group is specified using one of the following forms: posix name (eg. ahrens) posix numeric id (eg. 126829) sid name (eg. ahr...@sun) sid numeric id (eg. S-1-12345-12423-125829) How does this work

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 01:25:35PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: quote case materials These new properties are not printed by zfs get all, since that could generate a huge amount of output, which would not be very well organized. The new zfs userspace subcommand should be used instead. Ah, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Nicolas Williams wrote: We could also disallow them from doing zfs get useru...@name pool/zoned/fs, just make it an error to prevent them from seeing something other than what they intended. I don't see why the g-z admin should not get this data. They can of course still get the data by

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 31 March, 2009 - Matthew Ahrens sent me these 10K bytes: FYI, I filed this PSARC case yesterday, and expect to integrate into OpenSolaris in April. Your comments are welcome. http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2009/204/ Quota reporting over NFS or for userland apps like Samba?

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Tomas Ögren wrote: On 31 March, 2009 - Matthew Ahrens sent me these 10K bytes: FYI, I filed this PSARC case yesterday, and expect to integrate into OpenSolaris in April. Your comments are welcome. http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2009/204/ Quota reporting over NFS or for userland

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Ahrens: ZFS user quotas (like other zfs properties) will not be accessible over NFS; you must be on the machine running zfs to manipulate them. does this mean that without an account on the NFS server, a user cannot see his current disk use

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Matthew Ahrens
River Tarnell wrote: Matthew Ahrens: ZFS user quotas (like other zfs properties) will not be accessible over NFS; you must be on the machine running zfs to manipulate them. does this mean that without an account on the NFS server, a user cannot see his current disk use / quota? That's

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com wrote: River Tarnell wrote: Matthew Ahrens: ZFS user quotas (like other zfs properties) will not be accessible over NFS; you must be on the machine running zfs to manipulate them. does this mean that without an account

Re: [zfs-discuss] [Fwd: ZFS user/group quotas space accounting [PSARC/2009/204 FastTrack timeout 04/08/2009]]

2009-03-31 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Ahrens: does this mean that without an account on the NFS server, a user cannot see his current disk use / quota? That's correct. in this case, might i suggest at least an RFE to add ZFS quota support to rquotad? i'm sure we aren't the