I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year.
Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm
thinking to go with Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!!
This seems to be a good candidate to build a home ZFS server:
http://tinyurl.com/msi-so
It's cheap, low power, fan-less; the only
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 03:57:13AM -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
This seems to be a good candidate to build a home ZFS server:
http://tinyurl.com/msi-so
It's cheap, low power, fan-less; the only concern is the Realtek 8111C NIC.
According to a Sun Blogger, there is no Solaris driver:
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:57 AM, W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year.
Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm
thinking to go with Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!!
This seems to be a good candidate to build a home ZFS
How about we complain enough to shame somebody into
adding power
management to the K8 chips? We can start by
reminding SUN on how much
it was trumpeting the early Opterons as 'green
computing'.
Cheers,
florin
Casper's frkit power management script works very well with AMD's
How about we complain enough to shame somebody into
adding power
management to the K8 chips? We can start by
reminding SUN on how much
it was trumpeting the early Opterons as 'green
computing'.
Cheers,
florin
Casper's frkit power management script works very well with AMD's
I didn't throughly search, but it seems that newegg doesn't have any micro atx
mb with the chipset specified on wikipedia that is supporting ECC!... (query:
Form Factor[Micro ATX ],North Bridge[Intel 925X ],North Bridge[Intel 975X
],North Bridge[Intel X38 ],North Bridge[Intel X48 ])
So, better
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:37:29AM -0700, Steve wrote:
So, better AMD with ECC but not optimal power mgt (and seems cheaper), or
Intel with NO-ECC but power mgt?
How about we complain enough to shame somebody into adding power
management to the K8 chips? We can start by reminding SUN on how
Florin Iucha wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:37:29AM -0700, Steve wrote:
So, better AMD with ECC but not optimal power mgt (and seems cheaper), or
Intel with NO-ECC but power mgt?
How about we complain enough to shame somebody into adding power
management to the K8 chips? We
Since all the other components can be the same (ram, cpu, hdd, case, etc) why
not to spend $30 more for this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128354
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s http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128354
no ECC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_2_Chipsets
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i must pose the question then:
is ECC required?
i am running non-ECC RAM right now on my machine (it's AMD and it would support
ECC, i'd just have to buy it online and wait for it)
but will it have any negative effects on ZFS integrity/checksumming if ECC RAM
is not used? obviously it's nice
Miles Nordin wrote:
s == Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
s http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128354
no ECC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_2_Chipsets
This MB will take these:
waynel wrote:
We have a couple of machines similar to your just
spec'ed. They have worked great. The only
problem
is, the power management routine only works for
K10
and later. We will move to Intel core 2 duo for
future machines (mainly b/c power management
considerations).
If you're really crazy for miniaturization check out this:
http://www.elma.it/ElmaFrame.htm
Is a 4 hot swappable case for 2.5 drives that fits in 1 slot for 5.25!
You'll get low power consumption (= low heating) and will be easier to find a
mini itx case that fit just this and mobo! ;-)
Yeah but 2.5 aren't that big yet. What, they max out ~ 320 gig right?
I want 1tb+ disks :)
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Steve schrieb:
If you're really crazy for miniaturization check out this:
http://www.elma.it/ElmaFrame.htm
Is a 4 hot swappable case for 2.5 drives that fits in 1 slot for 5.25!
Maybe only true for Notebook 2,5 drives. Altough I haven't check I
don't think that 2,5 SAS disk with 10k
Actually, my ideal setup would be:
Shuttle XPC w/ 2x PCI-e x8 or x16 lanes
2x PCI-e eSATA cards (each with 4 eSATA port multiplier ports)
Mike, may I ask which eSATA controllers you used? I searched the Solaris HCL
and found very few listed there
Thanks
justin
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I didn't use any.
That would be my -ideal- setup :)
I waited and waited, and still no eSATA/Port Multiplier support out there, or
isn't stable enough. So I scrapped it.
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I agree with mike503. If you create the awareness (of the instability of
recorded information) there is a large potential market waiting for a ZFS/NAS
little server!
Very nice the thin client idea. It will be good to also use the NAS server as a
full server and use remotely with a very thin
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Steve wrote:
I agree with mike503. If you create the awareness (of the
instability of recorded information) there is a large potential
market waiting for a ZFS/NAS little server!
The big mistake in the posting was to assume that Sun should be in
this market. Sun has
waynel wrote:
We have a couple of machines similar to your just
spec'ed. They have worked great. The only problem
is, the power management routine only works for K10
and later. We will move to Intel core 2 duo for
future machines (mainly b/c power management
considerations).
So is
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So is Intel better? Which motherboard could be a good choice? (microatx?)
Inexpensive Intel motherboards do not support ECC memory while all
current AMD cpus do.
If ECC is important to you, Intel is not a good choice.
I'm
I'd say some good places to look are silentpcreview.com and mini-itx.com.
I found this tasty morsel on an ad at mini-itx...
http://www.american-portwell.com/product.php?productid=16133
6x onboard SATA. 4 gig support. core2duo support. which means 64 bit = yes, 4
gig = yes, 6x sata is nice.
now
A little case modding maybe not so difficult...there are examples (and
instructions) like:
http://www.mashie.org/casemods/udat2.html
But for sure there are more advanced like:
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=76374pp=20
And here you can have a full example of the human ingenious!!
that mashie link might be exactly what i wanted...
that mini-itx board w/ 6 SATA. use CF maybe for boot (might need IDE to CF
converter) - 5 drive holder (hotswap as a bonus) - you get 4 gig ram,
core2-based chip (64-bit), onboard graphics, 5 SATA2 drives... that is cool.
however. would need
If I understood properly there is just one piece that has to be modified: a
flat alluminium board with a squared hole in the center, that any fine mechanic
around your city should do very easily...
The problem more than the noise in this tight case might be the temperature!
This message
exactly.
that's why i'm trying to get an account on that site (looks like open
registration for the forums is disabled) so i can shoot the breeze and talk
about all this stuff too.
zfs would be perfect for this as most these guys are trying to find hardware
raid cards that will fit, etc...
Since the information obtained it seems that the better choice is ASUS M2A-VM:
tested happily, enough cheap (47€), not bad performing, 4 sata, gb ethernet,
dvi, firewire, ecc. The only notice was a possible DMA bug of the south bridge,
but it seems not so important. (!)
Now the options will
I have built mine the last few days, and it seems to be running fine right now.
Originally I wanted Solaris 10, but switched to using SXCE (nevada build 94,
the latest right now) because I wanted the new CIFS support and some additional
ZFS features.
Here's my setup. These were my goals:
-
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:13:54PM -0700, Steve wrote:
Since the information obtained it seems that the better choice is ASUS
M2A-VM: tested happily, enough cheap (47€), not bad performing, 4 sata, gb
ethernet, dvi, firewire, ecc. The only notice was a possible DMA bug of the
south bridge,
I have built mine the last few days, and it seems to
be running fine right now.
Originally I wanted Solaris 10, but switched to using
SXCE (nevada build 94, the latest right now) because
I wanted the new CIFS support and some additional ZFS
features.
Here's my setup. These were my
I would love to go back to using shuttles.
Actually, my ideal setup would be:
Shuttle XPC w/ 2x PCI-e x8 or x16 lanes
2x PCI-e eSATA cards (each with 4 eSATA port multiplier ports)
then I could chain up to 8 enclosures off a single small, nearly silent host
machine.
8 enclosures x 5 drives =
W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
As to cases, our experience is, unless you have good air-conditioning or have
a means to nicely enclose your machine (like the BlackBox :-) ), get a box
as big as your space would allow. We had enough bad experiences with mini
cases, especially those Shuttle-type
Holy crap! That sounds cool. Firmware-based-VPN connectivity!
At Intel we're getting better too I suppose.
Anyway... I don't know where you're at in the company but you should rattle
some cages about my idea :)
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i have that chassis too. did solaris install for you? what version/build?
i think i tried a nexenta build and it crapped out on install.
i also only have 2 gigs of ram in it and a CF card to boot off of...
4 drives is too small for what i want, 5 drives would be my minimum. i was
hoping this
Don't take my opinion. I am a newbie to everything solaris.
From what it looks like in the HCL, some of the VIA stuff is supported. Like I
said I tried some nexenta CD...
They don't make 64-bit, first off, and I am not sure if any of their mini-itx
boards support more than 2 gig ram. ZFS loves
In order to try to track the discussion I've created a wikiable web list of
what was discussed on this thread and what I found on HCL!
The problem is still the same: what are the best ones to pick up? ;-)
Comments are open (also on feature to list) and everyone can edit the list!
This
http://app.blist.com/#/blist/mar.ste/Micro-mini-ATX-mainboards-for-Solaris-ZFS-NAS-server
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yeah, i have not been pleased with the quality of the HCL.
there's plenty of hardware discussed on the forums and if you search the bugs
db that has been confirmed and/or fixed to work on various builds of osol and
solaris 10.
i wound up buying an AMD based machine (i wanted Intel) with 6
many on HD setup:
Thanks for the replies, but actual doubt is on MB.
I would go with the suggestion of different HD (even if I think that the speed
will be aligned to the slowest of them), and may be raidz2 (even if I think
raidz is enough for a home server)
bhigh:
It seems than 780G/SB700
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And interesting of booting from CF, but it seems is possible to boot from the
zraid and I would go for it!
It's not possible to boot from a raidz volume yet. You can only boot
from a single drive or a mirror.
-B
--
Brandon High
Following the VIA link and googling a bit I found something that seems
interesting:
- MB: http://www.avmagazine.it/forum/showthread.php?s=threadid=108695
- in the case http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/products_detail.php?serno=100
Are they viable??
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Yes, I am vary happy with the M2A-VM.
Charles
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for all the replays!
(and in the meantime I was just having a dinner! :-)
To recap:
tcook:
you are right, in fact I'm thinking to have just 3/4 for now, without
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:38:49AM -0400, Charles Menser wrote:
I installed it with snv_86 in IDE controller mode, and have since
upgraded ending up at snv_93.
Do you know what implications there are for using AHCI vs IDE modes?
I had the same question and Neal Pollack [EMAIL PROTECTED] told
I installed it with snv_86 in IDE controller mode, and have since
upgraded ending up at snv_93.
Do you know what implications there are for using AHCI vs IDE modes?
Thanks,
Charles
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Florin Iucha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:22:16AM -0400,
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:22:16AM -0400, Charles Menser wrote:
Yes, I am vary happy with the M2A-VM.
You will need at least SNV_93 to use it in AHCI mode.
The northbridge gets quite hot, but that does not seem to be impairing
its performance. I have the M2A-VM with an AMD 64 BE-2400 (45W) and
PS: I scaled down to mini-ITX form factot because it seems that the
http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/products_detail.php?serno=100 is the
PERFECT case for the job!
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or Atom maybe viable?
The atom CPU has pretty crappy performance. At 1.6 GHz performance is
somewhere between a 900MHz Celeron-M and 1.13 Pentium 3-M. It's also
single-core. It would probably work, but it could be CPU bound on
s == Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
s About freedom: I for sure would prefere open source drivers
s availability, let's account for it!
There is source for the Intel gigabit cards in the source browser.
Thank you very much Brandon for pointing out the issue for the case!!
(anyway that's really a peaty, I hope it will find a solution!...)
About Atom a person from Sun was pointing out the only good version for ZFS
would be N200 (64bit). Anyway I wouldn't make a problem of money (still ;-),
but
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And interesting of booting from CF, but it seems is
possible to boot from the zraid and I would go for
it!
It's not possible to boot from a raidz volume yet.
You can only boot
from a single drive or a mirror.
If I
s And, if better I'm open also to intel!
intel you can possibly get onboard AHCI that works,
and the intel
igabit MAC, and 16GB instead of 8GB RAM on a desktop
board. Also the
video may be better-supported. but it's, you know,
intel.
Miles, sorry, but probably I'm missing something to
I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year.
Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm thinking to go with
Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!!
Apart from the other components, the main problem is to choose the motherboard.
The offer is incredibly high and I'm lost.
Minimum
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year.
Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm thinking to go with
Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!!
Apart from the other components, the main problem is to choose the
I am wondering how many SATA controllers most motherboards have for
their built-in SATA ports.
Mine, an ASUS M2A-VM, has four ports, but OpenSolaris reports them as
belonging to two controllers.
I have seen motherboards with 6+ SATA ports, and would love to know if
any of them have more
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Steve wrote:
| I'm a fan of ZFS since I've read about it last year.
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| Now I'm on the way to build a home fileserver and I'm thinking to go
with Opensolaris and eventually ZFS!!
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| Apart from the other components, the main problem is to choose the
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Minimum requisites should be:
- working well with Open Solaris ;-)
- micro ATX (I would put in a little case)
- low power consumption but more important reliable (!)
- with Gigabit ethernet
- 4+ (even better 6+) sata 3gb
Thank you for all the replays!
(and in the meantime I was just having a dinner! :-)
To recap:
tcook:
you are right, in fact I'm thinking to have just 3/4 for now, without anything
else (no cd/dvd, no videocard, nothing else than mb and drives)
the case will be the second choice, but I'll try to
mh == Matt Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
mh http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/home-fileserver-zfs-hardware/
that's very helpful. I'll reshop for nForce 570 boards. i think my
untested guess was an nForce 630 or something, so it probably won't
work.
I would add:
1. do not get three
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
bhigh:
so the best is 780G?
I'm not sure if it's the best, but it's a good choice. A motherboard
and cpu can be had for about $150. Personally, I'm waiting for the AMD
790GX / SB750 which is due out this month. The 780G has 1 x16
Miles Nordin writes:
mh == Matt Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
mh http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/home-fileserver-zfs-hardware/
that's very helpful. I'll reshop for nForce 570 boards. i think my
untested guess was an nForce 630 or something, so it probably won't
work.
I
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. get four disks and do raidz2.
In addition to increasing MTTF, this is good because if you need
to leave in a hurry, you can grab two of the disks and still leave
behind a working file server. I think this
On 23 July, 2008 - Brandon High sent me these 1,3K bytes:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. get four disks and do raidz2.
In addition to increasing MTTF, this is good because if you need
to leave in a hurry, you can grab two of the disks
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Brandon High wrote:
With raidz2, you can grab any two disks. With mirroring, you have to
grab the correct two.
Personally, with only 4 drives I would use raidz to increase the
available storage or mirroring for better performance rather than use
raidz2.
If mirroring is
ic == Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ic I'd use mirrors rather than raidz2. You should see better
ic performance
the problem is that it's common for a very large drive to have
unreadable sectors. This can happen because the drive is so big that
its bit-error-rate matters. But
3. burn in the raidset for at least one month before trusting the
disks to not all fail simultaneously.
Has anyone ever seen this happen for real? I seriously doubt it will
happen
with new drives.
I have seen it happen on my own home ZFS fileserver...
purchased two new 500gb
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Miles Nordin wrote:
the problem is that it's common for a very large drive to have
unreadable sectors. This can happen because the drive is so big that
its bit-error-rate matters. But usually it happens because the drive
is starting to go bad but you don't realize this
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Miles Nordin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*SNIP*
Anyway, you can find more anecdotes in the archives of this list.
IIRC someone else corroborated that he found, among non-DoA drives,
failures are more likely in the first month than in the second month,
but I
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