Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] Pedantically, a pool can be made in a file, so it works the same... Pool can only be made in a file, by a system that is able to create a pool. Point is, his receiving system runs linux and doesn't have any zfs; his receiving system is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-12 16:50, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) пишет: So he's looking for a way to do a zfs receive on a linux system, transported over ssh. Suggested answers so far include building a VM on the receiving side, to run openindiana (or whatever) or using

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Jim, I'm trying to contact you off-list, but it doesn't seem to be working. Can you please contact me off-list? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 12, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] Pedantically, a pool can be made in a file, so it works the same... Pool can only be made

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] Read it again he asked, On that note, is there a minimal user-mode zfs thing that would allow receiving a stream into an image file?  Something like: zfs send ... | ssh user@host cat file He didn't say he wanted to cat to a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] Read it again he asked, On that note, is there a minimal user-mode zfs thing that would

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-10 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling If the recipient system doesn't support zfs receive, [...] On that note, is there a minimal user-mode zfs thing that would allow receiving a stream into an image file? No

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-10 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling If the recipient system

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-08 Thread Tiernan OToole
Ok, so, after reading a bit more of this discussion and after playing around at the weekend, i have a couple of questions to ask... 1: Do my pools need to be the same? for example, the pool in the datacenter is 2 1Tb drives in Mirror. in house i have 5 200Gb virtual drives in RAIDZ1, giving 800Gb

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/08/12 20:08, Tiernan OToole wrote: Ok, so, after reading a bit more of this discussion and after playing around at the weekend, i have a couple of questions to ask... 1: Do my pools need to be the same? for example, the pool in the datacenter is 2 1Tb drives in Mirror. in house i have 5

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-08 Thread Tiernan OToole
Cool beans lads. Thanks! On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 10/08/12 20:08, Tiernan OToole wrote: Ok, so, after reading a bit more of this discussion and after playing around at the weekend, i have a couple of questions to ask... 1: Do my pools need to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-07 Thread Johannes Totz
On 05/10/2012 15:01, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I am in the process of planning a system which will have 2 ZFS servers, one on site, one

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-07 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 7, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Johannes Totz johan...@jo-t.de wrote: On 05/10/2012 15:01, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I am in the process of

[zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Good morning. I am in the process of planning a system which will have 2 ZFS servers, one on site, one off site. The on site server will be used by workstations and servers in house, and most of that will stay in house. There will, however, be data i want backed up somewhere else, which is where

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-05 11:17, Tiernan OToole wrote: Also, as a follow up question, but slightly unrelated, when it comes to the ZFS Send, i could use SSH to do the send, directly to the machine... Or i could upload the compressed, and possibly encrypted dump to the server... Which, for resume-ability and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks for that Jim! Sounds like a plan there... One question about the storing ZFS dumps in a file... So, the idea of storing the data in a SFTP server which has an unknown underlying file system... Is that defiantly off limits, or can it be done? and should i be doing a full dump or just an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-05 13:13, Tiernan OToole wrote: Thanks for that Jim! Sounds like a plan there... One question about the storing ZFS dumps in a file... So, the idea of storing the data in a SFTP server which has an unknown underlying file system... Is that defiantly off limits, or can it be done?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks again Jim. Very handy info. This is now my weekend project, so hopefully things go well! --Tiernan On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: 2012-10-05 13:13, Tiernan OToole wrote: Thanks for that Jim! Sounds like a plan there... One question about the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/05/12 21:36, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-10-05 11:17, Tiernan OToole wrote: Also, as a follow up question, but slightly unrelated, when it comes to the ZFS Send, i could use SSH to do the send, directly to the machine... Or i could upload the compressed, and possibly encrypted dump to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks Ian. That sounds like an option also. The plan was to break up the file systems anyway, since some i will want to be replicated remotely, and others not as much. --Tiernan On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 10/05/12 21:36, Jim Klimov wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I am in the process of planning a system which will have 2 ZFS servers, one on site, one off site. The on site server will be used by workstations and servers in house, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Frank Cusack
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: I do have to suffer a slow, glitchy WAN to a remote server and rather than send stream files, I broke the data *on the remote server* into a more fine grained set of filesystems than I would do normally. In this case, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Frank Cusack On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: I do have to suffer a slow, glitchy WAN to a remote server and rather than send stream files, I broke the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/06/12 07:57, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Frank Cusack On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: I do have to suffer a slow,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Frank Cusack
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: I do have a lot of what would appear to be unnecessary filesystems, but after loosing the WAN 3 days into a large transfer, a change of tactic was required! I've recently (last year or so) gone the other way, and have made