Re: [zfs-discuss] Help with setting up ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread Ross
This is going to be used for my parents business (Im merely setting it up for them and then leaving it.) So basically what I want is reliability and redundancy. I want there to be very little chance of data loss as the business they are in requires them to keep all documents. Ok, ZFS is

[zfs-discuss] How to check what's on a given ZFS file system ?

2009-07-27 Thread Axelle Apvrille
Hi, I've already sent a few posts around this issue, but haven't quite got the answer - so I'll try to clarify my question :) Since I have upgraded from 2008.11 to 2009.06 a new BE has been created. On ZFS, that corresponds to two file systems, both (strangely) mounted on /. The old BE

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to check what's on a given ZFS file system ?

2009-07-27 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Axelle Apvrilleno-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: Hi, I've already sent a few posts around this issue, but haven't quite got the answer - so I'll try to clarify my question :) Since I have upgraded from 2008.11 to 2009.06 a new BE has been created. On ZFS,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help with setting up ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread Brian
Yes Ive thought about some off-site strategy. My parents are used to loading their data onto an external hard drive, however this always struck me as a bad strategy. A tape backup system is unlikely due to the cost, however I could get them to continue also loading the data onto an external

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help with setting up ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread Brian
Thank you, Ill definitely implement a script to scrub the system, and have the system email me if there is a problem. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help with setting up ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread Erik Trimble
Brian wrote: Yes Ive thought about some off-site strategy. My parents are used to loading their data onto an external hard drive, however this always struck me as a bad strategy. A tape backup system is unlikely due to the cost, however I could get them to continue also loading the data onto an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help with setting up ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread erik.ableson
The zfs send command generates a differential file between the two selected snapshots so you can send that to anything you'd like. The catch of course is that then you have a collection of files on your Linux box that are pretty much useless since your can't mount them or read the

[zfs-discuss] zfs destroy slow?

2009-07-27 Thread Markus Kovero
Hi, how come zfs destroy being so slow, eg. destroying 6TB dataset renders zfs admin commands useless for time being, in this case for hours? (running osol 111b with latest patches.) Yours Markus Kovero ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs destroy slow?

2009-07-27 Thread Markus Kovero
Oh well, whole system seems to be deadlocked. nice. Little too keen keeping data safe :-P Yours Markus Kovero From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Markus Kovero Sent: 27. heinäkuuta 2009 13:39 To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

[zfs-discuss] sam-fs on zfs-pool

2009-07-27 Thread Tobias Exner
Hi list, I've did some tests and run into a very strange situation.. I created a zvol using zfs create -V and initialize an sam-filesystem on this zvol. After that I restored some testdata using a dump from another system. So far so good. After some big troubles I found out that releasing

Re: [zfs-discuss] When writing to SLOG at full speed all disk IO is blocked

2009-07-27 Thread Marcelo Leal
Hello, Well, i'm trying to understand this workload, but what i'm seeing to reproduce this is just flood the SSD with writes, and the disks show no activity. I'm testing with aggr (two links), and for one or two seconds there is no read activity (output from server). Right now i'm suspecting

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharenfs question

2009-07-27 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
dick hoogendijk wrote: # zfs create store/snaps # zfs set sharenfs='rw=arwen,root=arwen' store/snaps # share -...@store/snaps /store/snaps sec=sys,rw=arwen,root=arwen arwen# zfs send -Rv rp...@0906 /net/westmark/store/snaps/rpool.0906 zsh: permission denied:

Re: [zfs-discuss] sam-fs on zfs-pool

2009-07-27 Thread Dean Roehrich
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 02:14:24PM +0200, Tobias Exner wrote: Hi list, I've did some tests and run into a very strange situation.. I created a zvol using zfs create -V and initialize an sam-filesystem on this zvol. After that I restored some testdata using a dump from another system.

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharenfs question

2009-07-27 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:26:06 -0600 Mark Shellenbaum mark.shellenb...@sun.com wrote: I would suggest you open a bug on this. http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/ Done. Bugzilla – Bug 10294 Submitted -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS 10u7 05/09 |

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Marcelo Leal
That's only one element of it Bob. ZFS also needs devices to fail quickly and in a predictable manner. A consumer grade hard disk could lock up your entire pool as it fails. The kit Sun supply is more likely to fail in a manner ZFS can cope with. I agree 100%. Hardware, firmware,

Re: [zfs-discuss] When writing to SLOG at full speed all disk IO is blocked

2009-07-27 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Marcelo Leal wrote: Well, i'm trying to understand this workload, but what i'm seeing to reproduce this is just flood the SSD with writes, and the disks show no activity. I'm testing with aggr (two links), and for one or two seconds there is no read activity (output from

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Ross
Heh, I'd kill for failures to be handled in 2 or 3 seconds. I saw the failure of a mirrored iSCSI disk lock the entire pool for 3 minutes. That has been addressed now, but device hangs have the potential to be *very* disruptive. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help with setting up ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27-Jul-09, at 5:46 AM, erik.ableson wrote: The zfs send command generates a differential file between the two selected snapshots so you can send that to anything you'd like. The catch of course is that then you have a collection of files on your Linux box that are pretty much useless

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Sun, Jul 26 at 1:47, David Magda wrote: On Jul 25, 2009, at 16:30, Carson Gaspar wrote: Frank Middleton wrote: Doesn't this mean /any/ hardware might have this problem, albeit with much lower probability? No. You'll lose unwritten data, but won't corrupt the pool, because the on-disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Thomas Burgess
i was under the impression it was virtualbox and it's default setting that ignored the command, not the hard drive On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.orgwrote: On Sun, Jul 26 at 1:47, David Magda wrote: On Jul 25, 2009, at 16:30, Carson Gaspar wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Chris Ridd
On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:49, Thomas Burgess wrote: i was under the impression it was virtualbox and it's default setting that ignored the command, not the hard drive Do other virtualization products (eg VMware, Parallels, Virtual PC) have the same default behaviour as VirtualBox? I've a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Adam Sherman
On 27-Jul-09, at 13:54 , Chris Ridd wrote: i was under the impression it was virtualbox and it's default setting that ignored the command, not the hard drive Do other virtualization products (eg VMware, Parallels, Virtual PC) have the same default behaviour as VirtualBox? I've a suspicion

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Chris Riddchrisr...@mac.com wrote: On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:49, Thomas Burgess wrote: i was under the impression it was virtualbox and it's default setting that ignored the command, not the hard drive Do other virtualization products (eg VMware, Parallels,

Re: [zfs-discuss] The importance of ECC RAM for ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread Marc Bevand
dick hoogendijk dick at nagual.nl writes: Than why is it that most AMD MoBo's in the shops clearly state that ECC Ram is not supported on the MoBo? To restate what Erik explained: *all* AMD CPUs support ECC RAM, however poorly written motherboard specs often make the mistake of confusing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread David Magda
On Mon, July 27, 2009 13:59, Adam Sherman wrote: Also, I think it may have already been posted, but I haven't found the option to disable VirtualBox' disk cache. Anyone have the incantation handy? http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8t=13661start=0 It tells VB not to ignore the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Frank Middleton
On 07/27/09 01:27 PM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: Everyone on this list seems to blame lying hardware for ignoring commands, but disks are relatively mature and I can't believe that major OEMs would qualify disks or other hardware that willingly ignore commands. You are absolutely correct, but if

Re: [zfs-discuss] sam-fs on zfs-pool

2009-07-27 Thread Tobias Exner
Hi Dean, may you provide more infos about that? Are you able to send me a bug description for a better understanding? Is there a patch available, or do I have to use a previous patch of sam-qfs? Thanks in advance... Tobias Dean Roehrich schrieb: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 02:14:24PM +0200,

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to check what's on a given ZFS file system ?

2009-07-27 Thread Axelle Apvrille
Thanks - that answers my question ! :)) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: On Sun, Jul 26 at 1:47, David Magda wrote: On Jul 25, 2009, at 16:30, Carson Gaspar wrote: Frank Middleton wrote: Doesn't this mean /any/ hardware might have this problem, albeit with much lower probability? No. You'll lose

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Adam Sherman
On 27-Jul-09, at 15:14 , David Magda wrote: Also, I think it may have already been posted, but I haven't found the option to disable VirtualBox' disk cache. Anyone have the incantation handy? http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8t=13661start=0 It tells VB not to ignore the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Subscribing broken?

2009-07-27 Thread Tim Cook
So it is broken then... because I'm on week 4 now, no responses to this thread, and I'm still not getting any emails. Anyone from Sun still alive that can actually do something? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] deduplication

2009-07-27 Thread Tim Cook
buMP? I watched the stream for several hours and never heard a word about dedupe. The blogs also all seem to be completely bare of mention. What's the deal? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Subscribing broken?

2009-07-27 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Tim, I sent your subscription problem to the OpenSolaris help list. We should hear back soon. Cindy On 07/27/09 16:15, Tim Cook wrote: So it is broken then... because I'm on week 4 now, no responses to this thread, and I'm still not getting any emails. Anyone from Sun still alive that can

Re: [zfs-discuss] Subscribing broken?

2009-07-27 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Tim, If you could send me your email address privately, the OpenSolaris list folks have a better chance of resolving this problem. I promise I won't sell it to anyone. :-) Cindy On 07/27/09 16:25, cindy.swearin...@sun.com wrote: Tim, I sent your subscription problem to the OpenSolaris help

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] zfs issues?

2009-07-27 Thread James Lever
On 28/07/2009, at 6:44 AM, dick hoogendijk wrote: Are there any known issues with zfs in OpenSolaris B118? I run my pools formatted like the original release 2009.06 (I want to be able to go back to it ;-). I'm a bit scared after reading about serious issues in B119 (will be skipped, I heard).

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can't offline a RAID-Z2 device: no valid replica

2009-07-27 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Laurent, I was able to reproduce on it on a Solaris 10 5/09 system. The problem is fixed in a current Nevada bits and also in the upcoming Solaris 10 release. The bug fix that integrated this change might be this one: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6328632 zpool

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Nigel Smith
David Magda wrote: This is also (theoretically) why a drive purchased from Sun is more that expensive then a drive purchased from your neighbourhood computer shop: Sun (and presumably other manufacturers) takes the time and effort to test things to make sure that when a drive says I've

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] zfs issues?

2009-07-27 Thread Robert Thurlow
James Lever wrote: I had help trying to create a crash dump, but everything we tried didn't cause the system to panic. 0eip;:c;:c and other weird magic I don't fully grok I can't help with your ZFS issue, but to get a reasonable crash dump in circumstances like these, you should be able to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help with setting up ZFS

2009-07-27 Thread Trevor Pretty
Brian This is a chunk of a script I wrote: To make it go to another machine change the send/receive something like the other example below Creates a copy of a zfs filesystem and mounts it on the local machine (the "do_command" just made my demo self running). scrubbing is easy just a cron

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27-Jul-09, at 3:44 PM, Frank Middleton wrote: On 07/27/09 01:27 PM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: Everyone on this list seems to blame lying hardware for ignoring commands, but disks are relatively mature and I can't believe that major OEMs would qualify disks or other hardware that willingly

Re: [zfs-discuss] [indiana-discuss] zfs issues?

2009-07-27 Thread James Lever
On 28/07/2009, at 9:22 AM, Robert Thurlow wrote: I can't help with your ZFS issue, but to get a reasonable crash dump in circumstances like these, you should be able to do savecore -L on OpenSolaris. That would be well and good if I could get a login - due to the rpool being unresponsive,

Re: [zfs-discuss] deduplication

2009-07-27 Thread James C. McPherson
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Tim Cook no-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: buMP? I watched the stream for several hours and never heard a word about dedupe. The blogs also all seem to be completely bare of mention. What's the deal? ZFS Deduplication was most definitely talked about

[zfs-discuss] zpool export taking hours

2009-07-27 Thread fyleow
I have a raidz1 tank of 5x 640 GB hard drives on my newly installed OpenSolaris 2009.06 system. I did a zpool export tank and the process has been running for 3 hours now taking up 100% CPU usage. When I do a zfs list tank it's still shown as mounted. What's going on here? Should it really be

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool export taking hours

2009-07-27 Thread George Wilson
fyleow wrote: I have a raidz1 tank of 5x 640 GB hard drives on my newly installed OpenSolaris 2009.06 system. I did a zpool export tank and the process has been running for 3 hours now taking up 100% CPU usage. When I do a zfs list tank it's still shown as mounted. What's going on here?