Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-27 Thread Scott McGee
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:57:54 -0700, Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have to say, I'm not sure there are 4 Imp gals / 5 US gals in there -- it looks more like 3 Imp gals to me, but I'm just estimating. Hmm, you could always shut of the water, flush to empty the tank and then pour in

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Spencer
Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Who wants to go in with me when I drive up to Canada to get some toilets that actually do not need the Seinfeld courtesy flush? (I assume that it is

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Who wants to go in with me when I drive up to Canada to get some toilets that actually do not need the Seinfeld courtesy

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Don't quote me on that -- I'm going from memory and I actually went and looked at our nearest toilet, but it doesn't say what the capacity is. ...I went and took the tank cover off. There's some stuff stamped into the ceramics near the top. Besides CSA (like your UL) it says American Standard

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Stacy Smith
You guys are the lucky ones over in Canada. You have full capacity and I have to struggle with six. Stacy. At 05:57 PM 11/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: Don't quote me on that -- I'm going from memory and I actually went and looked at our nearest toilet, but it doesn't say what the capacity is.

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:51 AM 11/26/02 -0500, Jon Spencer wrote: Speaking of bathroom humor :-) This is not so humorous. Whoever came up with these don't work toilets need to be flushed down one of them! Then aren't you glad Al Gore wasn't elected President so he could force more stuff like that down

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- W/L 5/8 BELOW Any plumbers out there who can read toiletese? ;-) I'm neither a plumber nor fluent in toiletese, but I suspect the first number is the tank capacity, while the second refers to the total amount of water per flush. Septic Stephen

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 05:01 PM 11/23/02 -0500, Jon Spencer wrote: Raw vegetables will cause excessive gas for about two weeks when you start eating them. This is the case for everyone that I know who has started to better their diet. But after two weeks, your gut acclimates to the veggies and you have no more

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-23 Thread Jon Spencer
Raw vegetables will cause excessive gas for about two weeks when you start eating them. This is the case for everyone that I know who has started to better their diet. But after two weeks, your gut acclimates to the veggies and you have no more problems. And, of course, you feel a lot better as

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me. What am I supposed to do if my family absolutely insists I eat them? It is questions of this nature that trouble me. Stacy. At 10:00 AM 11/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: The Lord tells us he doesn't/shouldn't have

[ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Gary Smith
Hey, no fair guessing how I do this! In reality, I have no true thoughts of my own. I just reach out over the ether and read others' thoughts on the topic. All I do well is reconfigure the thought into something coherent. So, we can thank Val for that wonderful treatise on God not commanding in

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Paul Osborne
I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me. What am I supposed to do if my family absolutely insists I eat them? It is questions of this nature that trouble me. Get a vegetable steamer and lightly steam them. Steamed vegetables are totally yummy! Use a

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
The butter may be the only thing that saves them from complete extinction from my diet. I can't really stand the taste and they are hard going down my esophagus. Stacy. At 12:51 PM 11/22/2002 -0600, you wrote: I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me.

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Suppose I never learn to like them? Can I still get into the celestial kingdom without liking them? Stacy. At 11:35 AM 11/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy wrote: I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me. What am I supposed to do if my family absolutely

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Stacy, in all seriousness, asked: Suppose I never learn to like them? Can I still get into the celestial kingdom without liking them? You'll like them. It's all a matter of faith - first you EAT, and then you'll LIKE. :) I didn't think liking (or eating) vegetables was a requirement for the

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- PS. Hi Jack! Tut, tut. We don't make such overt terroristic threats on this list. A Pauled, Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

[ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-21 Thread Gary Smith
The Lord tells us he doesn't/shouldn't have to command in all things. The WoW is written for the weakest of saints. It is the minimum standard for us to live by. As members mature, they tend to seek higher levels of spirituality, and will often, through the Spirit, create their own personal

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-21 Thread Paul Osborne
Gary wisely wrote: Why do so many members not drink caffeine drinks? Because the Spirit has guided them to that decision. It becomes personally binding on them, but not on others who are not prepared. I agree. slurp ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-20 Thread Stacy Smith
If the recommendations were changed to not include caffeine, why not, since we know the following about it? I read or heard on the radio that caffeine takes calcium from the bones. If this is true, it seems likely that it should be included. Stacy. At 06:06 AM 11/20/2002 +, you wrote:

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-20 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Because the WoW *isn't* primarily a health law. It is a law of obedience and spirituality. Stacy Smith wrote: If the recommendations were changed to not include caffeine, why not, since we know the following about it? I read or heard on the radio that caffeine takes calcium from the bones.

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-19 Thread Jon Spencer
We talked about this issue today with a couple of sister customers in our bookstore. They both recall that when they were married (many moons ago), it was taught that caffeine was against the WoW. They said it was in the lesson manuals (I'll take their word for it because I am just a newbie - 9

[ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-19 Thread Gary Smith
I think the Lord gave it, not necessarily to help us with our health, though it definitely does, but because of what the first few verses of DC 89 tell us concerning the secret works of evil men in our day. It was to prevent our people from getting used and abused by the enemies of the Church.

RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-19 Thread Jim Cobabe
Jon, It appears that the generally accepted definition of hot drinks may have been fairly broad for a period of time. A quote from Widtsoe's 1937 book on the Word of Wisdom-- Caffeine, the essential principle of tea and coffee, was discovered, as a chemical substance, a few years before the

RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith wrote: Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is the real problem? Because the WoW is not so much a health law as it is a spiritual law. It is one of the ways that the Church uses to determine which members are serious about the restored gospel

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Jon Spencer
Sorry - that drink is against my religion. I use Dr. Pepper. Jon Paul Osborne wrote: JWR's assessment of the WoW is exactly how I think. It's too bad we live so far away from each other or we could sit down and celebrate our agreement with a Coke! ;-) Paul O On Mon, 18 Nov 2002

RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Larry Jackson
Jon Spencer: I use Dr. Pepper. ___ Dr. Pepper is out of network for me. And that's the trouble with POSs and HMOs and WOWs, etc. The help line gives a different answer everytime I call. [grin] Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Well, he'll be at our place Thursday evening for dinner. I think all we have in the house is orange juice, cocoa and ginger ale. I'll have to go to SuperStore and get some real Jamaican ginger beer for them -- that stuff's almost flammable (totally alcohol free -- flammable in the spicy sense).

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Paul Osborne
Well, he'll be at our place Thursday evening for dinner. I think all we have in the house is orange juice, cocoa and ginger ale. I'll have to go to SuperStore and get some real Jamaican ginger beer for them -- that stuff's almost flammable (totally alcohol free -- flammable in the spicy sense).

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Stacy Smith
The reason I can't drink that barley drink is that I haven't found a good way to measure it easily. Stacy. At 09:33 AM 11/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: John W. Redelfs wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is the real problem?

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-17 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: Not correct (so much nicer than saying Wrong! :-). There was a letter sent out some time ago clarifying that caffeine is not prohibited by the WoW. And I believe that the point of President Hinckley not contradicting Wallace on the caffeine question was to not get

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-17 Thread Paul Osborne
There are lots of silly apostateisms that creep into our religion. One is you can't drink any caffeinated beverages. Another is that you have to pass the Sacrament tray with your right hand. Some claim that you can't do anything that might be considered physical exercise on Sunday (like taking

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-17 Thread Paul Osborne
President Hinckley, twice, say on national television that we do not drink soda with caffeine, I heard it too, but he is not speaking for me or my house. I have no problem with cokes. Everyone must make their own choice and go with it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies anti-smoking campaign telling us what is REALLY in a cigarette--it ain't just tobacco. Yet I can remember not so many years ago when it was

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is the real problem? Stacy. At 05:43 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies anti-smoking campaign telling us what is REALLY in a cigarette--it ain't just tobacco. Yet I can