This I find to be true and it makes sense when we consider that even in the
early church they would be able to excommunicate members for offenses.
Finally, there is the clear reference to Esau as being hated by God. Even
if this means "loved less," isn't that conditional? I forget the referenc
Our characterizations and definitions of "love" itself are ambiguous at
best. No surprise that discussions of this quality in the character and
nature of God are fraught with difficulty.
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George Cobabe wrote:
It is an interesting question to consider. How do we treat comments from
authoritative sources that disagree with others such sources, or with the
scriptures? It is too often a tendency to throw quotes rather than to think
through a question, and now we find it so easy to dis
that this is the primary response from people on the list - and
that pleases me.
George
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NITIONS' and lot more 'I DON'T
KNOWS." For instance, more might be provoked to think.
Ron Scott
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> Ron, You may be right. As a matter of fact I agree with you.
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Harold Stuart wrote:
It's also true that there is a limited number of times one can repent of
adultery. Clearly the atonement is not a blank check to commit sin.
I've heard this before, but I was challenged on it by the wife of our
mission president. I tried to prove the "three times and you ar
On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:47 PM, George Cobabe wrote:
Ron, You may be right. As a matter of fact I agree with you.
However, Elder Nelson does not. He says that God's love is
conditional upon
righteousness.
I think this is a difficult point.
Certain aspects of God's love are without question uncond
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> Ron Scott wrote:
> >There is a current piece in Ensign tha
Ron Scott wrote:
There is a current piece in Ensign that confuses "unconditional love" and
"blessing." Actually, I think the current piece confuses grace/faith/works.
God's love is unconditional, according to Hinckley (many sources). But, the
blessing/rewards are very conditional up faithfulness.
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> God's love is certainly unconditional in the sens
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> In the February ENSIGN, Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of the
Twelve
> wrote an article in which he stated unequivocally that God's love is NOT
> unconditional. It is divine
Ron Scott wrote:
As I said, you getting the two concepts mixed up. You're making synoymns of
"unconditional love" and "divine blessings." So did Elder Nelson. You'd
better careful who you're calling anti-Christ JWR for you're about to
violate your own bylaws (grin)
I don't believe that I hav
Ron Scott wrote:
There is a current piece in Ensign that confuses "unconditional love" and
"blessing." Actually, I think the current piece confuses grace/faith/works.
God's love is unconditional, according to Hinckley (many sources). But, the
blessing/rewards are very conditional up faithfulness.
> -Original Message-
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> In the February ENSIGN, Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of
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In the February ENSIGN, Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of the Twelve
wrote an article in which he stated unequivocally that God's love is NOT
unconditional. It is divine, and it is infinite, but it is very much
conditional upon repentance and obedience to divine law. In the article,
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