After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with:
Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant
threat,before we encourage it to stand down and live peacefully among
the nations of the world?
John:
Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant
threat
At 23:18 11/8/2002 -0800, Stacey wrote:
Where do the Mexicans align themselves?
Certainly not at a border crossing!
Till the ever-watchful
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At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote:
Tell me the name
of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their
nation was dissolved?
Munther Unes. A very fine gentleman if ever I have met one.
Till
I know an entire family that would fit that description. Their
8-year-old daughter is in my daughter's class at school. We became
friends when both girls were in kindergarten together.
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote:
Tell me the name
of just
If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple
Mount.
Paul Osborne wrote:
JWR asked:
Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant
threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me
regardless of we do or don't do.
I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It
wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind
of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign,
non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off.
They did not take part in the Gulf War and are against any unilateral moves
against Iraq, but voted with the rest of the Security Council in unanimously
adopting the most recent resolution regarding Iraq.
The most current information I could find on the Mexican Foreign Affairs site are
links to
If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the
Temple
Mount.
Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had
their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by
attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be
I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the
Islamist factions?
Stacy.
At 12:09 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote:
If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the
Temple
Mount.
Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews
You make some interesting points there. But I have another question which
I think is very relevant. It seems wrong to me even in the face of oil
interests to consider Saudi Arabia on our side. Why can't we stop treating
them as allies, especially in light of their Islamist tendencies?
By the way, I had quite a discussion in Gospel Doctrine last week on the
Zionist movement. I saw the original Zionist movement in 1948 as quite
improper and that the Jews had no business coming back to the Holy Land
until the Messiah, Jesus, should come the second time.
Stacy.
At 11:06 AM
To my understanding, Saudia Arabia is the next most Islamist state around
next to Iraq now. They seem to be the most strict observers.
Stacy.
At 10:23 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It
wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's
My suggestion is to FIRST elect GBH and THEN get rid of Bush.
Jon
Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name
in.
Stacy.
At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote:
But we have both!
Jon
I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush.
Stacy.
There are Jewish fundamentalist groups who are planning to do exactly that,
actually. Fortunately they're kept in check, but every now and then one of them
gets loose and does something stupid, like the shooting in Hebron at the Tomb of
the Patriarchs a few years ago.
Paul Osborne wrote:
If
, November 09, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It
wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular
kind
of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis
I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the
Islamist factions?
Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and
their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name
of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish
Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change
your mind?
Paul Osborne wrote:
I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the
Islamist factions?
Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and
their whole
Possibly, but I doubt it. You see, I'm not happy with the way in which the
modern Israel was created. It's my contention that the gathering of
spiritual Israel began before the political figures got involved and the
gathering of the Jews to their homeland wasn't supposed to be happening
Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way
that modern Israel as a nation came into existence.
Stacy.
At 05:42 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote:
I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the
Islamist factions?
Millions upon millions of
No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews
infidels?
Paul O
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Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would
you change
your mind?
Paul Osborne wrote:
I suppose
Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way
that modern Israel as a nation came into existence.
He doesn't count.
Paul O
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No, they're beni Israel (the title of one of the Suras of the Qur'an), meaning
by way of connotation that they, along with Christians, are children of the
Book and are to be treated with respect. It's not just Christians who are
hypocrites and misread their own scriptures. True infidels are
That's the problem with universal statements. They're like balloons -- it only
takes one pin to burst them.
Paul Osborne wrote:
Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way
that modern Israel as a nation came into existence.
He doesn't count.
Paul O
[EMAIL
Why doesn't he count? He claims as a Muslim he didn't hate Jews either,
only the way modern Israel came into being. I'll name another one who
claims to have loved all people. He even married a Christian woman while
he was Muslim, namely my sister. He is from Turkey. His name is Tahir
There are other sections of the Qur'an, it is true, that tell the soldiers
to slaughter unbelievers, but when one talks to most Muslims they claim
that this was during the first wars in self-defense from Christian and
Jewish opposition and that this has not always held true. At times
It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially
considering their votes today in the UN.
Jon
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will
then incite the entire
Which votes? France and Russia voted in favour of the new US resolution at the
Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats.
Jon Spencer wrote:
It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially
considering their votes today in the UN.
Jon
John
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially
considering their votes today in the UN.
So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country
will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR
Dreamer!
Stacy.
At 07:43 AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote:
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially
considering their votes today in the UN.
So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other
What do you mean? Did you read what I typed, or are you, too, going blind,
like Ryan and myself?
I will restate my sentence in different terms for you:
It would not matter if Russia and/or China had an existing mutual defense
treaty with Iraq [sidebar: the mere thought is extremely funny!].
Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them
down. That's all.
And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a
single solitary country will join Iraq against us.
That is absolutely correct.
Jon
John W. Redelfs asked:
After much
Don't forget that when we started WW II we were pretty much a righteous
nation. I frankly don't see how we can really carry on our battles with
these people when they aren't any more righteous than the majority of the
nation.
Stacy.
At 04:36 PM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Ah, but I would
Jon:
Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list,
I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and
sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I
don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not
I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush.
Stacy.
At 03:23 PM 11/08/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Jon:
Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list,
I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and
sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them
down. That's all.
And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a
single solitary country will join Iraq against us.
You have no idea how that
Jon Spencer wrote:
Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them
down. That's all.
And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a
single solitary country will join Iraq against us.
That is absolutely correct.
I don't think that
But sometimes one must stand up for what is right. Capt Moroni didn't
back down from the threat of the kingmen. He could have rolled over,
fearing war, and allowed the free republic they had become a kingdom. But
he realized that freedom, religion, and their families were more
important than
Jon Spencer wrote:
By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under
Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way
around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan,
I'm not saying you said this, it just popped
Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this
list,
I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest
and
sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel,
and I
don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with:
Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant
threat,before we encourage it to stand down and live peacefully among
the nations of the world?
Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant
threat that
It might surprise many to hear this, because of what we hear in the popular
press, but actually Christianity is growing faster than Islam is. It's growing in
3rd world countries with high birth rates, though, so it's centre of gravity as
it were, is moving away from Canterbury, the Vatican, and
JWR asked:
Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant
threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me
regardless of we do or don't do.
You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to
bring to pass Armageddon as the rest
I want to assure you that not all Muslims want this but I believe the
Islamists do.
Stacy.
At 11:12 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you wrote:
JWR asked:
Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant
threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me
regardless
Dan R Allen wrote:
Dan:
As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable
situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as
his sources.
True, but I think that he is fairly wide about which sources to trust. At
least, that's how it appears to me at
I am happy and humbled to have been of such great service to you! Let me
know, and I will repeat my performance for you.
Jon
John W. Redelfs wrote:
You have no idea how that puts my mind at ease. I cannot tell you how
glad
I am that I live in a day when wars are carefully controlled
Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put
people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally
over a several month period before ever establishing an international
coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British
Where do the Mexicans align themselves?
Stacy.
At 02:01 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put
people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally
over a several month period before ever establishing an
Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in.
Stacy.
At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote:
But we have both!
Jon
I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush.
Stacy.
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After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
Of course, no one here on this list, including myself, can tell you what
will be the short and long term outcome of acting or not acting. I believe
that he is a continuing threat to our way of life, along with quite a few
other gangsters.
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will
then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us.
This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia
or China have secret, mutual
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