RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Scott McGee
Ok, question time. If a person is excomunicated due to them having taught false doctrine, is a statement from them renouncing the false doctrine required for their repentance? It would seem like it should be. If so, the fact that no such announcement was made regarding the views of a given person

RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Scott McGee wrote: --- Ok, question time. If a person is excomunicated due to them having taught false doctrine, is a statement from them renouncing the false doctrine required for their repentance? --- If there is such a policy, I have not heard of it. In my experience, the specific

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Paul Osborne
Ok, question time. If a person is excomunicated due to them having taught false doctrine No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false doctrine. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Paul Osborne
In fact it would seem that the opposite approach is generally followed--excommunicated members are usually discouraged from publically discussing their problems or mistakes My last Stake President was excommunicated. Shortly after his excommunication he being accompanied by the new Stake

RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: --- No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false doctrine. --- Fortunate for me--I get it wrong nearly every time, and I wouldn't have lasted long in this church otherwise. Tolerance is the virtual safety belt that lets us live with each other in

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 12:30 PM, Tuesday, 10/29/02, Paul Osborne wrote: No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false doctrine. He can if he tries to convince others that it is Church doctrine. Also, if he is teaching false doctrine, his priesthood leaders will ask him to stop. And if

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Marc A. Schindler
It depends on what's meant by teaching. If you are GD teacher and you let slip a whopper in all innocence, no one's going to care, although you may be corrected. But if you start doing it purposely, knowing it's against the core doctrine of the Church (like, say, we should all go back to

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Paul Osborne
It depends on what's meant by teaching. If you are GD teacher and you let slip a whopper in all innocence, no one's going to care, although you may be corrected. But if you start doing it purposely, knowing it's against the core doctrine of the Church (like, say, we should all go back to

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Paul Osborne
I agree. You're an excellent reader and thanks for pointing out the difference. Paul O On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:40:33 -0900 John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 12:30 PM, Tuesday, 10/29/02, Paul Osborne wrote: No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:31:22 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Osborne wrote: --- No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false doctrine. --- Fortunate for me--I get it wrong nearly every time, and I wouldn't have lasted long in this church

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I wonder if you're talking about Tim. No need to answer that. Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:31:22 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Osborne wrote: --- No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false doctrine. ---

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Noel: After reading your response to John, I had a thought (I know, scary thing). Sometimes--in fact many times--in the scriptures and doctrines of the church, one word does mean many different things. For example--salvation and exaltation. Are they the same?? Sometimes Salvation is

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-27 Thread Noel Bennion
] Subject: Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel? Noel: After reading your response to John, I had a thought (I know, scary thing). Sometimes--in fact many times--in the scriptures and doctrines of the church, one word does mean many different things. For example--salvation and exaltation

RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Cobabe
Israel is covenant-founded, temple-based, and Christ-centered. The work of Jesus Christ is the reason the covenant of Abraham exists. The Abrahamic covenant, which is the covenant of Israel, is in every way as significant in the last days as it was in any age of the past. Jesus Christ is the

RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Cobabe
Great consideration is given regarding the confidentiality of the decisions of a Church disciplinary council. No announcement is ever made when a member is placed on formal probation. Decisions to disfellowship or excommunicate are generally not announced publicly unless the transgression is