I doubt such a scheme would actually work today but it's certainly worth
trying.
I'm trying to reply to as few of these posts as possible and am not
answering a huge number of them as I know this list is going elsewhere.
Stacy.
At 05:39 PM 12/18/2002 +, you wrote:
The gathering at the ci
Many thanks for the first-hand account. The story of what happened on the
easement, as reported on KSL is making the rounds of the Internet. Odd (well,
maybe not) that it takes idiots like Kurt Van Gordon to "p*** in their own
manger," as my uncle used to say . KVG was the instigator behind most of
Day of Heckling on Plaza Thrusts Issues to Forefront
The scene earlier today on the Main Street plaza included street
preachers carrying placards and screaming their beliefs, sometimes
through bullhorns.
December 17, 2002
KSL News Specialist Carole Mikita reporting
Salt Lake City Council ch
The gathering at the city council meeting last night was a zoo. I got
there about 6:00. The public comment session was supposed to begin at
7:00, but the crowd had already filled up two overflow rooms and was
winding down the corridors, and there were already many hundreds of
people waiting.
Stacy Smith wrote:
> Can I call from out of state?
I did. The human answering the line after you press "2" (they were
getting more calls than their computer could handle, I guess) did ask me
if I was calling from out of state - and from where.
*jeep!
--Chet
"Start by doing what's necessary
John W. Redelfs wrote:
> Where are you Orrin Porter Rockwell, now that we need you? --JWR
There's a one-panel cartoon which sums up my weaknesses. A fellow is
saying "I thought - what would Jesus do? And I tried to forgive him.
Then I thought - what would Porter Rockwell do? And I punched
Message -
From: "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal
> Jim Cobabe (the REAL babe) wrote:
> > My cynical bent detects that Mayor Rocky felt the tide of pub
Jim the Babe wrote:
>
> Jon Spencer wrote:
> ---
> No. I think that Satan was gaining something here as well.
> ---
>
> Provocative thought. Whereby does Satan gain, in this world? Perhaps
> in stirring up the hearts of men to anger and contention. (This is
> where the lawyers come in.) But a
George Cobabe favored us with:
It ends up costing the Church again for that which they/we already paid for.
I hope that the good citizens of Salt Lake see the hypocrisy in the Mayors
action - but I do not hold out hope.
Thanks to public education and television most people will believe
anythin
Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
There's one particular troublemaker named Kurt Van Gorden who will likely
try to
get himself arrested, and have the ACLU back his legal defence (he tends
to work
this way -- he sues everyone, into bankruptcy, if he can, but has no assets to
speak of himself). T
Jon Spencer wrote:
---
No. I think that Satan was gaining something here as well.
---
Provocative thought. Whereby does Satan gain, in this world? Perhaps
in stirring up the hearts of men to anger and contention. (This is
where the lawyers come in.) But a consistent lesson from the scriptu
There's one particular troublemaker named Kurt Van Gorden who will likely try to
get himself arrested, and have the ACLU back his legal defence (he tends to work
this way -- he sues everyone, into bankruptcy, if he can, but has no assets to
speak of himself). That will be an interesting case.
Jim
IL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal
> Jim Cobabe (the REAL babe) wrote:
> > My cynical bent detects that Mayor Rocky felt the tide of public opinion
> > turning against him in his legalistic maneuvering, and
Jim Cobabe (the REAL babe) wrote:
> My cynical bent detects that Mayor Rocky felt the tide of public opinion
> turning against him in his legalistic maneuvering, and felt that it was
> time to do some lawyerly wheeling and dealing. It would be a relief if
> this settles the issue. I think the
SLC Mayor Rocky Anderson just announced a new proposed plan to settle
the Main Street Plaza legal controversy. It appears that Mayor Rocky is
ready to concede that the Church should have full control of Plaza
access, and in exchange for offering this compromise, he suggests that
the Church sh
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