RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith wrote: > Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is > the > real problem? Because the WoW is not so much a health law as it is a spiritual law. It is one of the ways that the Church uses to determine which members are serious about the restored gospel

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
"John W. Redelfs" wrote: > Stacy Smith wrote: > > Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is > > the > > real problem? > > Because the WoW is not so much a health law as it is a spiritual law. > It is one of the ways that the Church uses to determine which members > a

[ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
OK, Zionisti, research time. "In the world but not of it" or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? Till the questioning // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.

Re:[ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Val
For starters: "It is possible to live in the world and not partake of the sins of the world." Ezra Taft Benson--Apr 1991 First Presidency Message "Keys to Successful Member-Missionary Work" -- "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: From: "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
That's a darned good question. The Sufis use this saying (that's a mystical branch of Sunni Islam especially common in Egypt and Turkey), and it's also well known in Catholic and Mennonite traditions. My guess is that it came into creedal Christianity as an aphorism via Augustine, but that's a gue

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Paul Osborne
JWR's assessment of the WoW is exactly how I think. It's too bad we live so far away from each other or we could sit down and celebrate our agreement with a Coke! ;-) Paul O On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:15:05 + "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Because the WoW is not so much a health law

Re: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Paul Osborne
>"It is possible to live in the world and not partake of the sins of the world." >Ezra Taft Benson--Apr 1991 >First Presidency Message "Keys to Successful Member-Missionary Work" No. It is not possible for any of us. We are all sinners. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

RE: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: --- "In the world but not of it" or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? --- According to Nibley-- That is, when I find myself called upon to stand up and be counted, to declare myself on one side or the other, which do I prefer—gin or rum, cigare

[ZION] Main Street Plaza: Meridian Editorial

2002-11-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
http://www.meridianmagazine.com/editorial/021118plaza.html --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:32 11/18/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: That's a darned good question. The Sufis use this saying (that's a mystical branch of Sunni Islam especially common in Egypt and Turkey), and it's also well known in Catholic and Mennonite traditions. My guess is that it came into creedal Christianity as

RE: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:45 11/18/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: Yes, my friend, this is the exact passage that has prompted this question. I read this a couple months ago and have been pondering it in my heart. Now, I'm trying to track down where it started (was it, in fact, Diogones, and what was the work and t

RE: [ZION] Main Street Plaza: Meridian Editorial

2002-11-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Jim referenced- > http://www.meridianmagazine.com/editorial/021118plaza.html I noticed a couple of days the Salt Lake Tribulation had a *front-page* story (at least it was a lead story in their web edition), telling that the Church would release a statement about the plaza and speculating what

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Jon Spencer
Sorry - that drink is against my religion. I use Dr. Pepper. Jon Paul Osborne wrote: > JWR's assessment of the WoW is exactly how I think. It's too bad we live > so far away from each other or we could sit down and celebrate our > agreement with a Coke! > > ;-) > > Paul O > > > On Mon, 18

RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Larry Jackson
Jon Spencer: I use Dr. Pepper. ___ Dr. Pepper is out of network for me. And that's the trouble with POSs and HMOs and WOWs, etc. The help line gives a different answer everytime I call. [grin] Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

RE: [ZION] Main Street Plaza: Meridian Editorial

2002-11-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stephen Beecroft wrote: --- I noticed a couple of days the Salt Lake Tribulation had a *front-page* story (at least it was a lead story in their web edition), telling that the Church would release a statement about the plaza and speculating what it might be. I was struck anew by how outrageousl

[ZION] Calling Jim Cobabe

2002-11-18 Thread John W. Redelfs
Jim, if you are there, send me your phone number at [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone else on the list knows Jim's home phone, please send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've misplaced his number. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

RE: [ZION] Calling Jim Cobabe

2002-11-18 Thread John W. Redelfs
John W. Redelfs wrote: > Jim, if you are there, send me your phone number at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone else on the list knows Jim's home > phone, please send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've misplaced his > number. The email address above is spamholeoct02 at yahoo.com. /

[ZION] Leonid alert

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
For those who don't already know, tonight's supposed to be the storm of the century wrt the Leonids (the best show since the 1860s according to a local astronomer). Prime viewing time in the Mountain Standard Time Zone is 04:00 - 06:00 (well before dawn up here, which won't arrive until about 08:30

[ZION] Public school standards

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I've bragged about the high quality of Alberta's public school systems before (especially wrt math and science). It appears it's not just my innate hometown boosterism -- standardized testing works. The National Post, the more conservative of our two national dailies, starts a series which looks at

[ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Pamela Lee Anderson made an appearance at a Toronto medical conference on hepatitis and admitted publicly for the first time that she has Hepatitis C and intends on using her celebrity to spread more awareness of it. She claims she won't accept a dime from any third party, that she's doing this on

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Well, he'll be at our place Thursday evening for dinner. I think all we have in the house is orange juice, cocoa and ginger ale. I'll have to go to SuperStore and get some real Jamaican ginger beer for them -- that stuff's almost flammable (totally alcohol free -- flammable in the spicy sense). Pa

RE: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now

2002-11-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson violates several elements of the charter. Which means I'll probably get booted now. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.z

[ZION] Oh Canada!

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
My niece sent me a list of "24 reasons I'm proud to be a Canadian." I'll spare the list the whole, er, list, but I had to pass on this one: 12. Canada has the largest French population that never surrendered to Germany. [let's hear it for the Vandoos!*] (*la Régiment Royale Vingt-deuxième du Can

[ZION] Leonid alert

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I've been corrected on the time by my Dad: >Our Calgary CBC said the best times for us will be 0230 hrs to 0330 hrs. Even with the full moon, he said, we should see three pieces per >second hit us. Apparently, were it totally dark, we would see a minimum of 1000 per minute. I, too have my alarm se

Re: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
We'll both have to have a good cry in our root beer. Stephen Beecroft wrote: > I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson violates > several elements of the charter. Which means I'll probably get booted > now. > > Stephen > > //

[ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-18 Thread Gary Smith
Well, I'm looking for a job. I can speak British, and with a little makeup can look as old as Dumbledor (or Richard Harris, for that matter). In fact, for the money, they can do surgery to make me look like Richard Harris!!! K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geoci

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Paul Osborne
>Well, he'll be at our place Thursday evening for dinner. I think all we have in >the house is orange juice, cocoa and ginger ale. I'll have to go to SuperStore and >get some real Jamaican ginger beer for them -- that stuff's almost flammable >(totally alcohol free -- flammable in the spicy sense).

RE: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now

2002-11-18 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 08:05 PM 11/18/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson² violates several elements of the charter. Perhaps, perhaps not. But quoting from her appearance on Jay Leno tonight¹, during which she talked about a new film project for TNN but not a w

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-18 Thread Stacy Smith
The reason I can't drink that barley drink is that I haven't found a good way to measure it easily. Stacy. At 09:33 AM 11/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > Stacy Smith wrote: > > Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is > > the > > real proble

Re: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Uhhh, probably the latter. I can never get it straight. Not enough of a celebrity watcher, I guess. I'm just pleasantly surprised she may have a positive side to her. Ronn Blankenship wrote: > At 08:05 PM 11/18/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: > >I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Ande

Re: [ZION] Does America need to be destroyed in its current form?

2002-11-18 Thread Stacy Smith
I vote for people, not parties. Stacy. At 07:21 PM 11/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: I believe the US government will fall eventually from bloat and corruption. It may be that an outside attack will help it fall, but only if the inside is rotten. I don't have a problem with a state having an active

Re: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-18 Thread Stacy Smith
As a young girl I never cared to play with dolls. Stacy. At 08:01 PM 11/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: Well, I'll confess that I've been seen occasionally at the DnD table with my son and his friends. My current character, an Elven priest, was zapped into oblivion recently. While I've been busy (and

Re: [ZION] Does America Need To Be Destroyed As It Is In Its Current Form?

2002-11-18 Thread Stacy Smith
But when I look at the book of Daniel, it seems to me I remember that a world empire wasn't to be established again until Jesus comes. Stacy. At 07:25 PM 11/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: Well, I'm guessing that Canada will eventually evolve into one. ;-) Europe and Asia seem to be going into a