[Zope-Annce] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation will be held on Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be conducted via IRC at the following channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/#zope-foundation Prior to that meeting, the current board will conduct an elections in which foundation members will select seven (7) board members in accordance with the foundation bylaws[1]. Summary - --- - - Nominations open via the foundat...@zope.org mailing list until Friday, 2010-01-29. - - Voting via e-mail to a closed mailing list, from Wednesday, 2010-02-03 through Friday, 2010-02-19. - - Votes tallied by representatives of the current board, using Meek and Warrent STV method using OpenSTV software. - - General meeting and seating of the new board, Wednesday, 2010-02-24. Procedure for Elections - --- The procedure for the elections is as follows: - - Foundation members may nominate any member by responding to the board's announcment on the foundat...@zope.org maling list. Nominations will remain open until Friday, 2010-01-29, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of the nominations period, the board will create a new mailman list, 'zf-elections-2010', and approve all ZF members to post to the list.. In order to preserve anonymity of votes, foundation members will not be subscribers to the list; access to the list archives will be restricted to the tellers appointed by the board. - - On Wednesday, 2010-02-03, the Secretary will send an e-mail announcing the opening of the voting period. This email will contain the ballot, with careful instructions about how to rank preferences in the reply. The Reply-to header of this e-mail will be set to the 'zf-elections-2010' list. - - ZF members will vote by replying to that e-mail. Voting will remain open until Friday, 2010-02-19, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of voting, the board will appoint two of its members as tellers. The tellers will use the list archive to tabulate the members' votes, using the OpenSTV application[2] configured to use the Meek and Warren STV method[3]. The tellers will report the election results, along with the raw tallies, at a special board meeting to be held on Tuesday, 2009-02-23, 15:00 UTC. - - After canvassing the results from the tellers, the board will notify all nominees of the success / failure of their candidacy, thanking them for their willingness to serve. - - At the general meeting, the last item on the agenda will the announcement of the election results, including a vote to seat the board. An online version of this announcement is available at: http://foundation.zope.org/news/2010_election_and_general_meeting/ References - -- [1] http://foundation.zope.org/bylaws/zope_foundation_bylaws.pdf [2] http://stv.sourceforge.net/aboutopenstv [3] http://stv.sourceforge.net/votingmethods/meek Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktZ3V8ACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6sDQCfbV+M85FnxeiSypdy0WBHle1A 7+sAn2aZoP5pb0sqK4ir84d9rhm09HiO =urx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Announce maillist - Zope-Announce@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce Zope-Announce for Announcements only - no discussions (Related lists - Users: https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope Developers: https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 6 OK
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Thu Jan 21 12:00:00 2010 UTC to Fri Jan 22 12:00:00 2010 UTC. There were 6 messages: 6 from Zope Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:36:54 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-January/013425.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:38:54 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-January/013426.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.12 Python-2.6.4 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:40:54 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-January/013427.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.12-alltests Python-2.6.4 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:42:54 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-January/013428.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.6.4 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:44:54 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-January/013429.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.6.4 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:46:54 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-January/013430.html ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me. 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language. 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has nothing to do with Web whatsoever. 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok. 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others do). It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no designer...) And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong: * Zope 2 is the granddaddy of the frameworks. It's not really built on top of ZTK, but includes it. You basically only use Zope 2 if you are using some sort of software that builds on it, like Plone, Silva, or something custom. To build on my earlier car analogy: Zope 2 is an old pickup truck. You can get it to do anything. You can drop it from the top of a building and it will run. When it breaks you whack it with a hammer until it's not broken anymore. But it's diesel engine kinda stinks. * BlueBream used to be called Zope 3 and is a component based enterprise kick-ass do everything framework. Everything is configurable and it doesn't just include batteries, but a whole power plant. Which admittedly can be tricky to run. BlueBream is a train. Fast, big and pulls heavy loads, and good for the environment. If that's what you need, you know it. * Grok is an easier to use (and at least in the future also smaller/lighter) framework than BlueBream, while retaining the flexibility. Instead of having to configure everything, you have sensible defaults. Less typing, and it doesn't feel like J2EE. Inspired by frameworks like Django and Turbogears, you get the nice Python framework feeling with the power of ZTK behind you. Grok is a an hybrid minibus. Easy to drive, infinitely reconfigurable just by switching the seats around. * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not required to do so. It's for the purist, for the guy who wants to build his own streamlined speedmonster. BFG is a frame with four wheels and an big engine. The rest is up to you. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me. 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language. 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has nothing to do with Web whatsoever. 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok. 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others do). It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no designer...) No problem that you are no designer, if the concept is clearly communicated, there will be people around who can prettify it. And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong: The above list (and http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/relationship-after.png, which resembles the list) pretty much explains and structures things. Personally, I think that Plone (and maybe other applications, e.g. Silva?) are missing in the big picture (not necessary for explaining BlueBream, though). The problem I see is where to go from this graph/list. I personally would expect to be able to advance from there to project home pages. This is true for grok/zope2/bluebream (in .zope.org), and also for BFG (bfg.repoze.org). What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Nice would be something like ztk.zope.org which could be similar to zope2.zope.org. When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on e.g. zca.zope.org, where people can learn what this is, links to a documentation and maybe has some download/install information and some tutorial. Best Regards, Hermann -- herm...@qwer.tk GPG key ID: 299893C7 (on keyservers) FP: 0124 2584 8809 EF2A DBF9 4902 64B4 D16B 2998 93C7 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On 2010-01-22, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me. Ah! This is tremendously helpful, thanks. Just a few questions/comments. 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language. 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has nothing to do with Web whatsoever. E.g. zope.component and one or two others? 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. This is where you lose me. What's an example of a ZTK package? I can't think of one off the top of my head… ah ok, I just found this: - http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releases/packages-trunk.html So ZTK is ZCA plus the bits that make it suitable for building web frameworks. And is it fair to say I can just build any web app with the ZTK? I don't need any of the frameworks that are already built, I'm free to reinvent the wheel if I choose too. 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok. I.e. The Frameworks™ 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others do). Right, it's loosely coupled with the ZCA, but you can throw that out too, if you like? It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no designer...) And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong: * Zope 2 is the granddaddy of the frameworks. It's not really built on top of ZTK, but includes it. You basically only use Zope 2 if you are using some sort of software that builds on it, like Plone, Silva, or something custom. To build on my earlier car analogy: Zope 2 is an old pickup truck. You can get it to do anything. You can drop it from the top of a building and it will run. When it breaks you whack it with a hammer until it's not broken anymore. But it's diesel engine kinda stinks. * BlueBream used to be called Zope 3 and is a component based enterprise kick-ass do everything framework. Everything is configurable and it doesn't just include batteries, but a whole power plant. Which admittedly can be tricky to run. BlueBream is a train. Fast, big and pulls heavy loads, and good for the environment. If that's what you need, you know it. * Grok is an easier to use (and at least in the future also smaller/lighter) framework than BlueBream, while retaining the flexibility. Instead of having to configure everything, you have sensible defaults. Less typing, and it doesn't feel like J2EE. Inspired by frameworks like Django and Turbogears, you get the nice Python framework feeling with the power of ZTK behind you. Grok is a an hybrid minibus. Easy to drive, infinitely reconfigurable just by switching the seats around. * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not required to do so. It's for the purist, for the guy who wants to build his own streamlined speedmonster. BFG is a frame with four wheels and an big engine. The rest is up to you. Right, and the apps built with those frameworks, e.g. Plone, Cyn.in, Zenoss, etc. Would be very helpful to include these in a discussion about this, IMO. -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net Practical Plone 3 · http://tinyurl.com/practical-plone ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On 2010-01-22, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote: Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: We certainly have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me. 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language. 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has nothing to do with Web whatsoever. 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok. 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others do). It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no designer...) No problem that you are no designer, if the concept is clearly communicated, there will be people around who can prettify it. And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong: The above list (and http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/relationship-after.png, which resembles the list) pretty much explains and structures things. Personally, I think that Plone (and maybe other applications, e.g. Silva?) are missing in the big picture (not necessary for explaining BlueBream, though). +1 The problem I see is where to go from this graph/list. I personally would expect to be able to advance from there to project home pages. This is true for grok/zope2/bluebream (in .zope.org), and also for BFG (bfg.repoze.org). What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Nice would be something like ztk.zope.org which could be similar to zope2.zope.org. +1 When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on e.g. zca.zope.org, where people can learn what this is, links to a documentation and maybe has some download/install information and some tutorial. Right, I see http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.component/3.9.1 wrt to ZCA. Best Regards, Hermann -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net Practical Plone 3 · http://tinyurl.com/practical-plone ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not required to do so. It's for the purist, for the guy who wants to build his own streamlined speedmonster. BFG uses the ZCA for some implementation details, I'm not sure if that is the same as 'builds on the ZCA'. I don't think you can use the ZTK with BFG - the vast majority of ZTK packages are too tied to concepts that do not apply to BFG. Wichert. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong check out path on zope site
Hi, On 01/20/2010 08:56 AM, Yuan HOng wrote: Hi, The svn check out path for Zope 3.4 given on the following page: http://docs.zope.org/developer/subversion-readonly-checkouts.html is not correct. The correct one should be: svn co svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.4 http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.4 Zope Can someone correct this please. Fixed in Subversion. The docs should be updated automatically soon. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote: BFG uses the ZCA for some implementation details, I'm not sure if that is the same as 'builds on the ZCA'. I don't think you can use the ZTK with BFG - the vast majority of ZTK packages are too tied to concepts that do not apply to BFG. In the same way Zope2 doesn't really built on the ZTK. It's integrated in some parts of it while a lot is still agnostic to it. Parts of the ZTK like the entire security machinery don't apply. But there's certainly some relationship that qualifies as uses between these entities. I'd say the same is true for BFG. Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation will be held on Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be conducted via IRC at the following channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/#zope-foundation Prior to that meeting, the current board will conduct an elections in which foundation members will select seven (7) board members in accordance with the foundation bylaws[1]. Summary - --- - - Nominations open via the foundat...@zope.org mailing list until Friday, 2010-01-29. - - Voting via e-mail to a closed mailing list, from Wednesday, 2010-02-03 through Friday, 2010-02-19. - - Votes tallied by representatives of the current board, using Meek and Warrent STV method using OpenSTV software. - - General meeting and seating of the new board, Wednesday, 2010-02-24. Procedure for Elections - --- The procedure for the elections is as follows: - - Foundation members may nominate any member by responding to the board's announcment on the foundat...@zope.org maling list. Nominations will remain open until Friday, 2010-01-29, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of the nominations period, the board will create a new mailman list, 'zf-elections-2010', and approve all ZF members to post to the list.. In order to preserve anonymity of votes, foundation members will not be subscribers to the list; access to the list archives will be restricted to the tellers appointed by the board. - - On Wednesday, 2010-02-03, the Secretary will send an e-mail announcing the opening of the voting period. This email will contain the ballot, with careful instructions about how to rank preferences in the reply. The Reply-to header of this e-mail will be set to the 'zf-elections-2010' list. - - ZF members will vote by replying to that e-mail. Voting will remain open until Friday, 2010-02-19, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of voting, the board will appoint two of its members as tellers. The tellers will use the list archive to tabulate the members' votes, using the OpenSTV application[2] configured to use the Meek and Warren STV method[3]. The tellers will report the election results, along with the raw tallies, at a special board meeting to be held on Tuesday, 2009-02-23, 15:00 UTC. - - After canvassing the results from the tellers, the board will notify all nominees of the success / failure of their candidacy, thanking them for their willingness to serve. - - At the general meeting, the last item on the agenda will the announcement of the election results, including a vote to seat the board. An online version of this announcement is available at: http://foundation.zope.org/news/2010_election_and_general_meeting/ References - -- [1] http://foundation.zope.org/bylaws/zope_foundation_bylaws.pdf [2] http://stv.sourceforge.net/aboutopenstv [3] http://stv.sourceforge.net/votingmethods/meek Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktZ3V8ACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6sDQCfbV+M85FnxeiSypdy0WBHle1A 7+sAn2aZoP5pb0sqK4ir84d9rhm09HiO =urx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:28, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote: What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Well isn't that enough? It's nothing you can download and test, it's a collection of libraries of limited interest outside those who use Zope webframeworks. When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. Yeah, the component architecture maybe could use some more advertising. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:38, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has nothing to do with Web whatsoever. E.g. zope.component and one or two others? Yup. 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. This is where you lose me. What's an example of a ZTK package? I can't think of one off the top of my head… ah ok, I just found this: - http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releases/packages-trunk.html So ZTK is ZCA plus the bits that make it suitable for building web frameworks. And is it fair to say I can just build any web app with the ZTK? I don't need any of the frameworks that are already built, I'm free to reinvent the wheel if I choose too. Sure. Or for example, use it together with Pylons, or Bobo, or for that matter BFG. 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok. I.e. The Frameworks™ Yup. 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others do). Right, it's loosely coupled with the ZCA, but you can throw that out too, if you like? Chris has to answer that. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not required to do so. It's for the purist, for the guy who wants to build his own streamlined speedmonster. BFG uses the ZCA for some implementation details, I'm not sure if that is the same as 'builds on the ZCA'. I don't think you can use the ZTK with BFG - the vast majority of ZTK packages are too tied to concepts that do not apply to BFG. BFG applications won't likely use the ZTK as a whole, but many of the deployed ones do use some ZTK packages beyond the bare ZCA parts. e.g. the catalog code, SMTP integration, etc. I thought repoze forked exactly those parts (repoze.catalog and repoze.sendmail) to get rid of all the ZTK-assumptions? Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On 22.01.10 19:42, Lennart Regebro wrote: Yeah, the component architecture maybe could use some more advertising. FullACK I think the ZCA is our USP. As I said before, we will launch a new zope.de website in Germany soon and produce a imagebroschure about Zope which will both emphasize this point. I really enjoy the discussion so far. Many valuable hints and good statements. juh DZUG e.V. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] zope.app.authentication
Hello guys, I'm coding some stuff, using zope.app.authentication and this package appears to do too many things, in my opinion. Would it be wise to cut off some of the functionalities ? The pure PAU components could go in a dedicated package, like zope.pluggableauthservice The whole handling of principals, groups and folder makes it a bit hard to read and introduces a lot of redundancy if we wish to roll our own things. What do you guys think ? Cheers - Souheil ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting
I nominate Tres Seaver. - C Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation will be held on Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be conducted via IRC at the following channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/#zope-foundation Prior to that meeting, the current board will conduct an elections in which foundation members will select seven (7) board members in accordance with the foundation bylaws[1]. Summary - --- - - Nominations open via the foundat...@zope.org mailing list until Friday, 2010-01-29. - - Voting via e-mail to a closed mailing list, from Wednesday, 2010-02-03 through Friday, 2010-02-19. - - Votes tallied by representatives of the current board, using Meek and Warrent STV method using OpenSTV software. - - General meeting and seating of the new board, Wednesday, 2010-02-24. Procedure for Elections - --- The procedure for the elections is as follows: - - Foundation members may nominate any member by responding to the board's announcment on the foundat...@zope.org maling list. Nominations will remain open until Friday, 2010-01-29, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of the nominations period, the board will create a new mailman list, 'zf-elections-2010', and approve all ZF members to post to the list.. In order to preserve anonymity of votes, foundation members will not be subscribers to the list; access to the list archives will be restricted to the tellers appointed by the board. - - On Wednesday, 2010-02-03, the Secretary will send an e-mail announcing the opening of the voting period. This email will contain the ballot, with careful instructions about how to rank preferences in the reply. The Reply-to header of this e-mail will be set to the 'zf-elections-2010' list. - - ZF members will vote by replying to that e-mail. Voting will remain open until Friday, 2010-02-19, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of voting, the board will appoint two of its members as tellers. The tellers will use the list archive to tabulate the members' votes, using the OpenSTV application[2] configured to use the Meek and Warren STV method[3]. The tellers will report the election results, along with the raw tallies, at a special board meeting to be held on Tuesday, 2009-02-23, 15:00 UTC. - - After canvassing the results from the tellers, the board will notify all nominees of the success / failure of their candidacy, thanking them for their willingness to serve. - - At the general meeting, the last item on the agenda will the announcement of the election results, including a vote to seat the board. An online version of this announcement is available at: http://foundation.zope.org/news/2010_election_and_general_meeting/ References - -- [1] http://foundation.zope.org/bylaws/zope_foundation_bylaws.pdf [2] http://stv.sourceforge.net/aboutopenstv [3] http://stv.sourceforge.net/votingmethods/meek Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktZ3V8ACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6sDQCfbV+M85FnxeiSypdy0WBHle1A 7+sAn2aZoP5pb0sqK4ir84d9rhm09HiO =urx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation mailing list foundat...@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
Lennart Regebro wrote: 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others do). Right, it's loosely coupled with the ZCA, but you can throw that out too, if you like? Chris has to answer that. BFG uses some Zope software, like, say, Pylons uses software made by Ian Bicking. This is about the best way to describe the relationship. The fact that BFG is built on top of the ZCA is an implementation detail. As a consumer of BFG (as a programmer of a BFG application), you aren't going to throw out the ZCA, because a) there'd be no reason to do so, it's an implementation detail that is invisible to you and b) BFG would stop working. In the future, BFG may or may not depend on the set of Zope packages on which it currently depends. It may begin to depend on more Zope packages, or fewer, or disuse all of them entirely. But whatever decisions are made wrt its Zope dependencies, BFG will be largely backwards compatible with itself between releases. - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.app.authentication
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Souheil CHELFOUH troll...@gmail.com wrote: I'm coding some stuff, using zope.app.authentication and this package appears to do too many things, in my opinion. Would it be wise to cut off some of the functionalities ? The pure PAU components could go in a dedicated package, like zope.pluggableauthservice I don't have a good understanding of any of the security related features of Zope 3, but it looks like we already have a lot of packages. Would it make sense to put it into any of the existing ones? There's at least: zope.authentication zope.login zope.password zope.principalannotation zope.principalregistry zope.security zope.securitypolicy Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.app.authentication
I don't think so. The PAU is quite a big chunk and would really deserve to live on its own piece of land. zope.authentication is really about the authentication basics, not all the pluggability and plugin that PAU brings in. zope.app.authentication is just too confuse as it defines PAU and a whole set of persistent authentication-relatied components and other things that could be easily (logically) cut off. 2010/1/22 Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Souheil CHELFOUH troll...@gmail.com wrote: I'm coding some stuff, using zope.app.authentication and this package appears to do too many things, in my opinion. Would it be wise to cut off some of the functionalities ? The pure PAU components could go in a dedicated package, like zope.pluggableauthservice I don't have a good understanding of any of the security related features of Zope 3, but it looks like we already have a lot of packages. Would it make sense to put it into any of the existing ones? There's at least: zope.authentication zope.login zope.password zope.principalannotation zope.principalregistry zope.security zope.securitypolicy Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote: * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not required to do so. It's for the purist, for the guy who wants to build his own streamlined speedmonster. BFG uses the ZCA for some implementation details, I'm not sure if that is the same as 'builds on the ZCA'. I don't think you can use the ZTK with BFG - the vast majority of ZTK packages are too tied to concepts that do not apply to BFG. BFG applications won't likely use the ZTK as a whole, but many of the deployed ones do use some ZTK packages beyond the bare ZCA parts. e.g. the catalog code, SMTP integration, etc. I thought repoze forked exactly those parts (repoze.catalog and repoze.sendmail) to get rid of all the ZTK-assumptions? I wrote a bit too casually: repoze.catalog still uses zope.index, but does not depend on zope.catalog. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktaE7kACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ7DRQCfZ8RKWWtYWP05UZsOR54NCGWC wwAAni/g/6dTi1Vql5h8lAgU/ZkcLz9K =hwM0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] quitting the ZTK steering group
Hi there, This is to announce my withdrawal from the Zope Toolkit steering group. I withdraw from the Zope Toolkit steering group for two reasons: * The steering group is not working as a group. Most steering group members haven't been doing much steering. This left me by myself to try to give direction. I cannot blame the others for committing their time differently, but this isn't the balance of work I signed up for. * Trying to steer the ZTK took a large amount of my energy. The discussions are quite draining and the benefit to me has not been worth the frustration. In the past year we've made large changes to the dependency structure of packages, cleaning it up. We've also improved compat testing and dependency analysis infrastructure a lot. That's the technical part. The community consequences are also important. We've been able to redefine the focus of various projects under the Zope umbrella. Separating the concern of the ZTK from Zope 3 made another refocusing project like BlueBream possible, and made more clear the relation Grok and Zope 2 have with the libraries in the ZTK. I think there is a lot more that can be done, but I don't want to feel responsible for it. Here is my analysis of problems with the ZTK: * Unclear leadership situation. I tried to resolve this by founding the ZTK project and steering group in the first place. Besides the time investment problems mentioned before, this (my?) leadership is also not fully accepted, or its judgment is not fully trusted. * Even though endless discussions take place, communication is frequently poor and frustrating at the same time. Bigger changes take too much energy to discuss. People give up even trying to cooperate and do it alone as it's a way to get things done. This creates a vicious cycle. * The commitment of parties to work together on the ZTK is fragile. Witness Zope 2 withdrawing from the ZTK quickly after some disagreements (with me). My commitment to leading the ZTK as a community project has now disappeared as well. I am primarily interested in the development of Grok. I came to the ZTK to tackle important issues for Grok, and now am going to focus my attention on Grok again. This means that I may contribute to the vicious cycle I mentioned above, but so be it. What this means for the ZTK or the steering group I do not know. The ZTK matters to me as a foundation to Grok. In a wider sense, I believe that a broader base of people using the ZTK is good for the Zope community and Grok as well. I also believe a person or group who offers leadership and has a final say is healthy for the project -- just random interested people voting -1 or +1 or -1000 or +1000 on the mailing list is a recipe for stagnation. We will have to see what the steering group, or anyone else, will come up with. I've tried to ignore zope-dev as much as possible recently, because I don't want to be dragged back into sometimes frustrating discussions. If you want to reach me you can email me or talk on grok-dev. Good luck, everybody. Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:09, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote: Cool picture, but I might put ZCA at its own level (maybe by moving Zope Toolkit to the framework level, or giving it its own level). It's possible that the component level is pointless. I mostly wanted the framework level and the application level, and I stuck the component level in there too, while I was at it. :) I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so empty there. I guess I should upload the svg somewhere. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so empty there. SchoolTool and Launchpad have been mentioned as Zope3 applications in the past. Karl would be an example for BFG. Not sure if there's a canonical example for Grok. Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so empty there. SchoolTool and Launchpad have been mentioned as Zope3 applications in the past. Karl would be an example for BFG. Not sure if there's a canonical example for Grok. Ah, yes, Schooltool and KARL, of course, I forgot about them. Is Launchpad available as an application you can install and run? -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks, which is why it's so empty there. SchoolTool and Launchpad have been mentioned as Zope3 applications in the past. Karl would be an example for BFG. Not sure if there's a canonical example for Grok. Ah, yes, Schooltool and KARL, of course, I forgot about them. Is Launchpad available as an application you can install and run? Nominally, yes. If you are willing to let it have its way with your system. Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Where is the position of BlueBream in Zope ecosystem ?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: Is Launchpad available as an application you can install and run? For some definition of that, yes: https://dev.launchpad.net/ Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] quitting the ZTK steering group
Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote: Hi there, This is to announce my withdrawal from the Zope Toolkit steering group. I'm not sure if you're reading this, but I wanted to thank you anyway for the tremendous amount of energy you've put into the steering group. kind regards, jw ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation will be held on Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be conducted via IRC at the following channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/#zope-foundation Prior to that meeting, the current board will conduct an elections in which foundation members will select seven (7) board members in accordance with the foundation bylaws[1]. Summary - --- - - Nominations open via the foundat...@zope.org mailing list until Friday, 2010-01-29. - - Voting via e-mail to a closed mailing list, from Wednesday, 2010-02-03 through Friday, 2010-02-19. - - Votes tallied by representatives of the current board, using Meek and Warrent STV method using OpenSTV software. - - General meeting and seating of the new board, Wednesday, 2010-02-24. Procedure for Elections - --- The procedure for the elections is as follows: - - Foundation members may nominate any member by responding to the board's announcment on the foundat...@zope.org maling list. Nominations will remain open until Friday, 2010-01-29, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of the nominations period, the board will create a new mailman list, 'zf-elections-2010', and approve all ZF members to post to the list.. In order to preserve anonymity of votes, foundation members will not be subscribers to the list; access to the list archives will be restricted to the tellers appointed by the board. - - On Wednesday, 2010-02-03, the Secretary will send an e-mail announcing the opening of the voting period. This email will contain the ballot, with careful instructions about how to rank preferences in the reply. The Reply-to header of this e-mail will be set to the 'zf-elections-2010' list. - - ZF members will vote by replying to that e-mail. Voting will remain open until Friday, 2010-02-19, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of voting, the board will appoint two of its members as tellers. The tellers will use the list archive to tabulate the members' votes, using the OpenSTV application[2] configured to use the Meek and Warren STV method[3]. The tellers will report the election results, along with the raw tallies, at a special board meeting to be held on Tuesday, 2009-02-23, 15:00 UTC. - - After canvassing the results from the tellers, the board will notify all nominees of the success / failure of their candidacy, thanking them for their willingness to serve. - - At the general meeting, the last item on the agenda will the announcement of the election results, including a vote to seat the board. An online version of this announcement is available at: http://foundation.zope.org/news/2010_election_and_general_meeting/ References - -- [1] http://foundation.zope.org/bylaws/zope_foundation_bylaws.pdf [2] http://stv.sourceforge.net/aboutopenstv [3] http://stv.sourceforge.net/votingmethods/meek Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktZ3V8ACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6sDQCfbV+M85FnxeiSypdy0WBHle1A 7+sAn2aZoP5pb0sqK4ir84d9rhm09HiO =urx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting
I nominate Tres Seaver. - C Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation will be held on Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be conducted via IRC at the following channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/#zope-foundation Prior to that meeting, the current board will conduct an elections in which foundation members will select seven (7) board members in accordance with the foundation bylaws[1]. Summary - --- - - Nominations open via the foundat...@zope.org mailing list until Friday, 2010-01-29. - - Voting via e-mail to a closed mailing list, from Wednesday, 2010-02-03 through Friday, 2010-02-19. - - Votes tallied by representatives of the current board, using Meek and Warrent STV method using OpenSTV software. - - General meeting and seating of the new board, Wednesday, 2010-02-24. Procedure for Elections - --- The procedure for the elections is as follows: - - Foundation members may nominate any member by responding to the board's announcment on the foundat...@zope.org maling list. Nominations will remain open until Friday, 2010-01-29, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of the nominations period, the board will create a new mailman list, 'zf-elections-2010', and approve all ZF members to post to the list.. In order to preserve anonymity of votes, foundation members will not be subscribers to the list; access to the list archives will be restricted to the tellers appointed by the board. - - On Wednesday, 2010-02-03, the Secretary will send an e-mail announcing the opening of the voting period. This email will contain the ballot, with careful instructions about how to rank preferences in the reply. The Reply-to header of this e-mail will be set to the 'zf-elections-2010' list. - - ZF members will vote by replying to that e-mail. Voting will remain open until Friday, 2010-02-19, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of voting, the board will appoint two of its members as tellers. The tellers will use the list archive to tabulate the members' votes, using the OpenSTV application[2] configured to use the Meek and Warren STV method[3]. The tellers will report the election results, along with the raw tallies, at a special board meeting to be held on Tuesday, 2009-02-23, 15:00 UTC. - - After canvassing the results from the tellers, the board will notify all nominees of the success / failure of their candidacy, thanking them for their willingness to serve. - - At the general meeting, the last item on the agenda will the announcement of the election results, including a vote to seat the board. An online version of this announcement is available at: http://foundation.zope.org/news/2010_election_and_general_meeting/ References - -- [1] http://foundation.zope.org/bylaws/zope_foundation_bylaws.pdf [2] http://stv.sourceforge.net/aboutopenstv [3] http://stv.sourceforge.net/votingmethods/meek Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktZ3V8ACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6sDQCfbV+M85FnxeiSypdy0WBHle1A 7+sAn2aZoP5pb0sqK4ir84d9rhm09HiO =urx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation mailing list foundat...@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting
Gah, sorry for the multilist cross-post, this should have gone to the foundation list only. - C Chris McDonough wrote: I nominate Tres Seaver. - C Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (apologies in advance for the cross-post: we need this to reach the whole Zope community). The Zope Foundation board is pleased to announce the regular 2010 general meeting of the foundation will be held on Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be conducted via IRC at the following channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/#zope-foundation Prior to that meeting, the current board will conduct an elections in which foundation members will select seven (7) board members in accordance with the foundation bylaws[1]. Summary - --- - - Nominations open via the foundat...@zope.org mailing list until Friday, 2010-01-29. - - Voting via e-mail to a closed mailing list, from Wednesday, 2010-02-03 through Friday, 2010-02-19. - - Votes tallied by representatives of the current board, using Meek and Warrent STV method using OpenSTV software. - - General meeting and seating of the new board, Wednesday, 2010-02-24. Procedure for Elections - --- The procedure for the elections is as follows: - - Foundation members may nominate any member by responding to the board's announcment on the foundat...@zope.org maling list. Nominations will remain open until Friday, 2010-01-29, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of the nominations period, the board will create a new mailman list, 'zf-elections-2010', and approve all ZF members to post to the list.. In order to preserve anonymity of votes, foundation members will not be subscribers to the list; access to the list archives will be restricted to the tellers appointed by the board. - - On Wednesday, 2010-02-03, the Secretary will send an e-mail announcing the opening of the voting period. This email will contain the ballot, with careful instructions about how to rank preferences in the reply. The Reply-to header of this e-mail will be set to the 'zf-elections-2010' list. - - ZF members will vote by replying to that e-mail. Voting will remain open until Friday, 2010-02-19, 23:00 UTC. - - At the close of voting, the board will appoint two of its members as tellers. The tellers will use the list archive to tabulate the members' votes, using the OpenSTV application[2] configured to use the Meek and Warren STV method[3]. The tellers will report the election results, along with the raw tallies, at a special board meeting to be held on Tuesday, 2009-02-23, 15:00 UTC. - - After canvassing the results from the tellers, the board will notify all nominees of the success / failure of their candidacy, thanking them for their willingness to serve. - - At the general meeting, the last item on the agenda will the announcement of the election results, including a vote to seat the board. An online version of this announcement is available at: http://foundation.zope.org/news/2010_election_and_general_meeting/ References - -- [1] http://foundation.zope.org/bylaws/zope_foundation_bylaws.pdf [2] http://stv.sourceforge.net/aboutopenstv [3] http://stv.sourceforge.net/votingmethods/meek Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktZ3V8ACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6sDQCfbV+M85FnxeiSypdy0WBHle1A 7+sAn2aZoP5pb0sqK4ir84d9rhm09HiO =urx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation mailing list foundat...@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - zope-...@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Very odd reverse proxy problem . [nginx - win32 zope]
The things: * I have a nginx handmade compiled under the hood * I have an official zope+plone installation on native windows * I have a django based application inside the cygwin * I have a tomcat+cas installation on native windows All of that seem to be configured correctly. What i want to do is to make my nginx a reverse proxy of the 3 others applications. Because of some other application needs (wsgi served with flup/socket) i need that nginx to live inside the cygwin installation. That's not my concern afterall :). The nginx works well for static contents and as the the django and tomcat installations reverse proxy. Here come problems with zope+plone. If i hit my http://url/plone (nginx mapped point to the plone install as http reverse proxy), the first request (get /) pass, but the other stall as 206 partial content and are very long to be satisfied. The browser seems to be blocked on some read() call. I tried a bunch of things nginx side (use epoll, use select, tweak proxy parameters, stop proxy buffering, set timeouts, set retrys and so on) but i have not found the right configuration if it is there. But where it is very strange is that if i make an ssh tunnel from localhost:80 to prod_machine:localhost:80, then make some entry into my /etc/hosts to fake the dns name. Then browse to http://myurl/plone, no problem, i have the content, and all http request are satisfied (js co.). I really don't know how to debug that, can it be because the request enter from cygwin, go out to windows re enter cygwin and go for the client? The fact that throught the ssh tunnel, when i hit the nginx server on my plone install (like as normal, i dont hit plone but nginx) work perfectly lives me without words. Other strange thing is that the CAS application, also http reverse proxified work like a charm. Other thing is that if i use the windows nginx binary from nginx website, with equal configuration, it works. The only thing is nginx running out of cygwin stack and compiled for win32. If someone has some suggestions -- Cordialement, KiOrKY GPG Key FingerPrint: 0x1A1194B7681112AF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 4 OK
Summary of messages to the cmf-tests list. Period Thu Jan 21 12:00:00 2010 UTC to Fri Jan 22 12:00:00 2010 UTC. There were 4 messages: 4 from CMF Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : CMF-2.1 Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: CMF Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:55:19 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2010-January/012519.html Subject: OK : CMF-2.1 Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: CMF Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:57:19 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2010-January/012520.html Subject: OK : CMF-2.2 Zope-2.12 Python-2.6.4 : Linux From: CMF Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 20:59:19 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2010-January/012521.html Subject: OK : CMF-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.6.4 : Linux From: CMF Tests Date: Thu Jan 21 21:01:19 EST 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2010-January/012522.html ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope-cmf/ for bug reports and feature requests
