[Zope] Large jumps of memory use increase, and seeking overall understanding of memory use

2007-02-24 Thread Jean Lagarde
All, (I am posting to both the general Zope and Plone lists, I hope that's all right. My questions are more directly Zope issues, but in case someone who only looks only at the Plone lists has a different insight to offer...) I'm the co-admin Alex Kirk was referring to in his recent post Random

Re: [Zope] Large jumps of memory use increase, and seeking overall understanding of memory use

2007-02-25 Thread Jean Lagarde
On 2/25/07, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Feb 2007, at 00:05, Jean Lagarde wrote: I fully understand that Zope has to be restarted regularly This may be needed in a situation where you have a memory-hungry application (like Plone), but otherwise there is no general need

Re: [Zope] Large jumps of memory use increase, and seeking overall understanding of memory use

2007-02-25 Thread Jean Lagarde
On 2/25/07, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comparing the number of bytes served during a request and how much memory is consumed is a bit naive. You have *no* idea what all needs to be touched internally to serve that one object. The weightier the framework you run on to of Zope, the

Re: [Zope] Large jumps of memory use increase, and seeking overall understanding of memory use

2007-02-25 Thread Jean Lagarde
Thanks Maciej, Yes, I am using CacheFu (a comprehensive caching product for Plone). I have Squid installed and ready to go (had it in the loop for a little while, but we were having all kinds of server instabilities at some point and I turned that one off to simplify things; we are more stable

Re: [Zope] Large jumps of memory use increase, and seeking overall understanding of memory use

2007-02-25 Thread Jean Lagarde
MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Feb 2007, at 20:07, Jean Lagarde wrote: 3) As for all the baggage that might be tied to an object in the ZODB, I will admit a lot of naivete there, but Zope's behavior should not be black magic. In the end, behavior has to be deterministic. This is a wrong

Re: [Zope] Large jumps of memory use increase, and seeking overall understanding of memory use

2007-02-25 Thread Jean Lagarde
On 2/25/07, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Serving from cache still means they need to be touched at least once to get them into the cache, and (in case of normal caching behavior) they will be touched again once the cached record expires. Caching will not make any difference to memory

[Zope] Zope hangs in FreeBSD with plenty of memory and CPU resources

2007-02-25 Thread Jean Lagarde
All, As a coincidence, that hang of Zope I mentioned in a message I posted yesterday has happened again today (second time), after a planned reboot. So here is a completely different issue from the memory one we've been discussing today. There was other weirdness (for whatever reason _mysql

Re: [Zope] Zope hangs in FreeBSD with plenty of memory and CPU resources

2007-02-26 Thread Jean Lagarde
been unable to definitively rule that out. It's almost as good to clear one problem as the potential cause as it is to fix things. :-) Alex Kirk http://plone.org/documentation/faq/plone-on-bsd-python-stack Stefan On 26. Feb 2007, at 06:06, Jean Lagarde wrote: All, As a coincidence

RE: [Zope-dev] dtml-in batching improved

2001-06-19 Thread Jean Lagarde
Ivo, somehow I had missed the very start of the thread. I think that my change pretty much implements the third alternative you describe in your post, but for which you provided no patch (the one which defines the variables at the top and bottom only, because I leave the if index==first or

RE: [Zope-dev] Dataskin Zclass + Folder subclassing problem

2001-11-30 Thread Jean Lagarde
subclassing from DataSkin, Folder and *then* ZClass1? good luck! -steve On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 12:36 PM, Jean Lagarde wrote: Hi all, A ZClass inheriting from both DataSkin and Folder seems to work as expected (so much has been discussed in other messages, at least

RE: [Zope-dev] Dataskin Zclass + Folder subclassing problem

2001-11-30 Thread Jean Lagarde
a _v_dm_ key error; that should have clued me into the right direction. Jean From: Steve Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 09:10 Jean Lagarde wrote: Thanks Steve, No doubt that is probably what is happening. Sadly, I need ZClass1 to be a dataskin

Re: [Zope-dev] Structured text issues (again?)

2002-03-20 Thread Jean Lagarde
I wasn't aware of that effort, thanks for pointing it out. I was only tinkering so of course that project is a much more complete solution than what I was envisioning. Went through problems.txt and more rapidly throught the specs, and I liked what I saw. There is a formal statement on the