Re: [Zope-dev] Re: default view

2006-06-19 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/19/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, perhaps browser:defaultView isn't such a bad idea then... :). Actually, I don't have much of an opinion, to be honest. I just thought that it would make sense that browser:defaultView only modified the behaviour of Zope 3 views.

[Zope-dev] Re: default view

2006-06-19 Thread Florent Guillaume
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: On 6/18/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The remaining important question is: if a *default* view is specified using the zope 3 mechanism, should we always treat it as a zope 3 view, and refuse to lookup an attribute

[Zope-dev] Re: default view

2006-06-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Florent Guillaume wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: On 6/18/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The remaining important question is: if a *default* view is specified using the zope 3 mechanism, should we always treat it as a zope 3 view, and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Jun 2006, at 10:28, Andreas Jung wrote: My recommendation: 1 yr deprecation period as it is now 1 yr + X maintenance period for older branches. +1 Extending the maintenance period for older branches indeed sounds

[Zope-dev] Re: Nasty error message with obscure bug

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Withers
Florent Guillaume wrote: If anyone with greater knowledge could implement the above without much pain, that'd be great. In any case, hopefully Google will catch this some time and save the next weary traveller who bumps into it a couple of hours ;-) How about opening a ticket in the

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases vs Bugfixing

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: Only because we have more stable releases, only? That's the big problem here ;-) 1. That's all well and good until you _need_ some feature like MVCC and are then forced to do an upgrade which breaks prettymuch every one of your products. And the difference is that

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 6/18/06, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1, I'd like some way to easily know when a release is no longer maintained. i.e., what's the X in the above formula. Well, it's 2 versions, so far. I.e, current release and last release. Unless we decide to change that

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: +1 Extending the maintenance period for older branches indeed sounds like a good idea. Hang on, that makes things even worse for the already-stressed developers though. The branches there are combined with the longer they're stable for gives you the developer

[Zope-dev] Seven branches?!

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Withers
Christian Theune wrote: However, Zope 2.8 is still available for stable download ... so we currently have 7 branches to watch out for. ...and you're not even including ZODB branches and the like that need to be maintained and kept in sync... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope

[Zope-dev] Re: Nasty error message with obscure bug

2006-06-19 Thread Florent Guillaume
On 19 Jun 2006, at 14:59, Chris Withers wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: If anyone with greater knowledge could implement the above without much pain, that'd be great. In any case, hopefully Google will catch this some time and save the next weary traveller who bumps into it a couple of

[Zope-dev] Re: Unify the Zope 2 and Zope 3 repositories!

2006-06-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Note that this should also extend to the Zope 3 releases. Zope 3.2 is part of Zope 2.9 and will hence be used for quite some time. Yet, bugfixes aren't even backported to the Zope 3.2 branch anymore... It's this sort of thing that makes

[Zope-dev] Re: Nasty error message with obscure bug

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Withers
Florent Guillaume wrote: Hopefully the google archive trail will be enough for this issue... When I look for bugs to fix I don't read the mailing list archives for the past two years, I use the collector. Funny, I usually start by googling... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Unify the Zope 2 and Zope 3 repositories!

2006-06-19 Thread Benji York
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Uh, never mind. +1 :) -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! **

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Nasty error message with obscure bug

2006-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19 Jun 2006, at 15:51, Chris Withers wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: Hopefully the google archive trail will be enough for this issue... When I look for bugs to fix I don't read the mailing list archives for the past two years, I use the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Nasty error message with obscure bug

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Use the collector. It is *the* place where people go to look for things to fix. What length of time it takes to fix is a totally separate issue. Bugs that get posted on mailing lists get ignored unless they are the world is coming to an end type bugs. Read the thread,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: +1 Extending the maintenance period for older branches indeed sounds like a good idea. Hang on, that makes things even worse for the already-stressed developers though. The branches there are combined with the longer they're stable for gives

[Zope-dev] Re: Flood of deprecation warnings...

2006-06-19 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: [snip] One of my other bugbears is that a flood of deprecation warnings often masks real problems. What real problems? How would people feel about the default zope.conf hiding all deprecation warning? -1 This is bad. You'd be making it far less likely people will

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-19 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/19/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's 2 versions, so far. I.e, current release and last release. Unless we decide to change that now. Is it really? That's how it has been so far, yes. Maybe we should extend it. But mind you, that's more work... I for one, is NOT

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-19 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 6/19/06, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one, is NOT interested in backporting fixed in Five trunk to both Five 1.0, 1.1, 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5, which is what are the current versions of Five if we say that Zope 2.8 and 2.7 should be still supported after the release of 2.10. If

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-19 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 19. Juni 2006 16:25:32 +0200 Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one, is NOT interested in backporting fixed in Five trunk to both Five 1.0, 1.1, 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5, which is what are the current versions of Five if we say that Zope 2.8 and 2.7 should be still supported after