[Zope-dev] Re: 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: We neeed to do a Zope3 3.2.2 release to go along with 2.9.4 Two reasons: - Better release management for Zope2: we should be shipping with appropriately tagged releases of our dependencies

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 7. Juli 2006 11:03:06 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should do a 2.9.4 release to incorporate the recent hot fix. This is easy for me to say, since I won't be doing it. :) Because this recent fix actually fixed

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Juli 2006 07:45:01 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 7. Juli 2006 11:03:06 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should do a 2.9.4 release to incorporate the recent hot fix. This is easy for me to say,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Juli 2006 07:35:04 -0400 Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: We neeed to do a Zope3 3.2.2 release to go along with 2.9.4 Two reasons: - Better release management for Zope2: we

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 07:45:01 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 7. Juli 2006 11:03:06 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should do a 2.9.4 release to

[Zope-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-08 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Zope 3, as releases is not

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Andreas Jung
On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 07:45:01 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if there is no other option. Tres' patch seems to resolve this issue and with further testing there is no need to remove the functionality. Seems isn't good enough.

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 07:45:01 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if there is no other option. Tres' patch seems to resolve this issue and with further testing there is no need to

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Juli 2006 09:53:47 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you aren't listening. I am listening very well. Tres came up with this sledge hammer because he has no confidence in people's willingness to test and implement this feature properly. I am fine with the

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 09:53:47 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Tres came up with this sledge hammer because he has no confidence in people's willingness to test and implement this feature properly. I am fine with the

The hotfix that isn't? (was: Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?)

2006-07-08 Thread Sidnei da Silva
Just to make the matters clear, when you say 'the last hotfix' Jim, do you mean the Hotfix-20060705? I ask because I'm about to roll a hotfix installer for Plone and if there's an issue with that one I can hold back the installer. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Tino Wildenhain
... You seem to be the only one championing TTW reST? I am only champion against crude removal of features and against and a shortsighted preception. I'm for keeping it (or something like it) too. That doesn't deserve an answer. Are you unwilling to write the tests necessary to keep

Re: The hotfix that isn't? (was: Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?)

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Alec Mitchell wrote: On 7/8/06, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to make the matters clear, when you say 'the last hotfix' Jim, do you mean the Hotfix-20060705? I ask because I'm about to roll a hotfix installer for Plone and if there's an issue

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Tino Wildenhain wrote: ... You seem to be the only one championing TTW reST? I am only champion against crude removal of features and against and a shortsighted preception. I'm for keeping it (or something like it) too. Are you volunteering to do a

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 10:16:30 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, someone has to write the tests at some time, soon. Right. Before 2.10. ...so we have some time... Sadly, but that's a different problem. As I pointed out the

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Juli 2006 14:37:06 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Tino Wildenhain wrote: ... You seem to be the only one championing TTW reST? I am only champion against crude removal of features and against and a shortsighted preception. I'm for

Re: The hotfix that isn't? (was: Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?)

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 10:53 AM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: Just to make the matters clear, when you say 'the last hotfix' Jim, do you mean the Hotfix-20060705? No, I was referring to the one before that. The November '0f hot fix purported to solve the same problem. Jim -- Jim Fulton

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 8, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 14:37:06 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Tino Wildenhain wrote: ... You seem to be the only one championing TTW reST? I am only champion against crude removal of features and

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Juli 2006 14:42:31 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This can happen all the time. A problem in the release process does not justify the removal of a feature until we tried our best to solve the problem. Use the sledge hammer as a last resort. The problem in the release

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Juli 2006 15:05:21 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this applies here as well. 1. ZClasses are not a security threat. reST is. That's a huge difference. Being a security thread or not ...how will you prove that a module X is a thread or not? Without source code

[Zope-dev] Re: 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 07:45:01 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if there is no other option. Tres' patch seems to

[Zope-dev] Re: 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 8. Juli 2006 09:53:47 -0400 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Tres came up with this sledge hammer because he has no confidence in people's willingness to test

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread dieter
Andreas Jung wrote at 2006-7-8 14:12 +0200: ... removing TTW reST ... [Andreas] In addition I don't see a big problem for Zope-only(!) apps. Of course, you must also consider applications built on top of Zope -- such as ZWiki and Plone. They, too, need to be protected. [Jim] ... retain only

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.9.4? reStructuredText support?

2006-07-08 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Jim Fulton wrote: ... You mean auditing. Testing would not help imho. Testing only checks if expected behavior still works. And nobody expects the spanish inquisiton *wink* ;) You can test that trying to do fil-inclusion fails. For example if I'd were the one who would have written the

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] pkg_resources or pkgutil?

2006-07-08 Thread Fred Drake
On 5/25/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they do pretty much the same thing (but I could be mistaken). Are they interchangeable? If not, are they compatible so that we just add both ways to both files? If they're not compatible, which one should we use in the